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« on: October 21, 2011, 01:48:16 PM »

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My parish is doing the catechism class "The Way". Each week a handout is passed out. Often pictures of icons are on the handouts. Is there anything wrong with cutting the pictures out after the class and using them as icons? If not, should I have them blessed by my priest?
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2011, 01:51:07 PM »

You can ask your priest, but I would say cutting the icons out and using them is far better than throwing them away with the handouts, or otherwise letting them get damaged.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2011, 01:52:18 PM »

It's absolutely fine if you cut them out and use them as icons.  

It's sad when you see people throw them in the trash.

Yes, you can ask your priest to bless them.  

Depending on their size, you could even glue them on a backing (cardboard/board) and modge podge it, so, it would last longer and not deteriorate from handling, etc.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2011, 01:56:55 PM »

^ Agreed. Most of us 'cradles' who have hit middle age by now have literally drawers full of Holy Cards from funerals and parish celebrations, which we were taught never to part with because they were depictions of icons our Saviour and the Saints. They don't have to be 'written' etc... in order to be holy. The miraculous Iveron Icon now travelling across the country under ROCOR sponsorship is a reproduction of the original, yet it produces myrrh. It is all about faith, not 'rules' or 'styles' IMHO.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 02:05:52 PM »

I try to avoid taking the holy cards or printed icons because honestly I don't like to collect clutter and I have no practical use for these small icons. The ones that I cannot slip past I keep in a folder with other things that can't be thrown away (like palm branches and such) and then at the end of the year I have a giant holy fire in my backyard. I honestly wish people wouldn't put icons on so many things so casually.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 02:16:51 PM »

I try to avoid taking the holy cards or printed icons because honestly I don't like to collect clutter and I have no practical use for these small icons. The ones that I cannot slip past I keep in a folder with other things that can't be thrown away (like palm branches and such) and then at the end of the year I have a giant holy fire in my backyard. I honestly wish people wouldn't put icons on so many things so casually.

True, but the ones that really mean something to one's soul are perhaps different as opposed to picking one up at each wake you attend.

For example, when I look at the card from my father's ordination in 1942, long before I was born, it connects me to that event and how that event shaped my life and my faith.

Burning the 'non-special' ones is  good idea.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 02:26:17 PM »

^ Agreed. Most of us 'cradles' who have hit middle age by now have literally drawers full of Holy Cards from funerals and parish celebrations, which we were taught never to part with because they were depictions of icons our Saviour and the Saints. They don't have to be 'written' etc... in order to be holy. The miraculous Iveron Icon now travelling across the country under ROCOR sponsorship is a reproduction of the original, yet it produces myrrh. It is all about faith, not 'rules' or 'styles' IMHO.

LOL!  Podkarpatska!  Have you been rummaging through my drawers?    Grin  How'd you know about all my icons?

I have not only prayer cards from funerals, etc, but, icons from calendars, bulletins, etc.  You name it, I have it!

I even have dozens my family brought to America with them.  My uncle was an aspiring iconographer...and I keep them, in the odd chance I should find the time, skill and grace to also write icons.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 03:54:46 PM »

I try to avoid taking the holy cards or printed icons because honestly I don't like to collect clutter and I have no practical use for these small icons. The ones that I cannot slip past I keep in a folder with other things that can't be thrown away (like palm branches and such) and then at the end of the year I have a giant holy fire in my backyard. I honestly wish people wouldn't put icons on so many things so casually.
You're not allowed to throw away palm branches? What about blessed flowers?
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 03:56:17 PM »

^ Agreed. Most of us 'cradles' who have hit middle age by now have literally drawers full of Holy Cards from funerals and parish celebrations, which we were taught never to part with because they were depictions of icons our Saviour and the Saints. They don't have to be 'written' etc... in order to be holy. The miraculous Iveron Icon now travelling across the country under ROCOR sponsorship is a reproduction of the original, yet it produces myrrh. It is all about faith, not 'rules' or 'styles' IMHO.

LOL!  Podkarpatska!  Have you been rummaging through my drawers?    Grin  How'd you know about all my icons?

I have not only prayer cards from funerals, etc, but, icons from calendars, bulletins, etc.  You name it, I have it!

I even have dozens my family brought to America with them.  My uncle was an aspiring iconographer...and I keep them, in the odd chance I should find the time, skill and grace to also write icons.


I think that is must have been in the Sunday School lessons, no? lol
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 03:59:29 PM »

I really don't like it when icons get printed on stuff that's meant to be disposable. For a while our parish's weekly newsletter always had big icons on the front but thankfully that stopped.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 04:00:36 PM »

I try to avoid taking the holy cards or printed icons because honestly I don't like to collect clutter and I have no practical use for these small icons. The ones that I cannot slip past I keep in a folder with other things that can't be thrown away (like palm branches and such) and then at the end of the year I have a giant holy fire in my backyard. I honestly wish people wouldn't put icons on so many things so casually.
You're not allowed to throw away palm branches? What about blessed flowers?

You should burn them.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 04:04:35 PM »

I really don't like it when icons get printed on stuff that's meant to be disposable. For a while our parish's weekly newsletter always had big icons on the front but thankfully that stopped.
Yes, our church programs also have icons on the front.

I actually put two of them in frames myself, and Mr. Ismi thought it looked pretty silly. I agreed in a way, since they are printed on paper and look very cheap next to the beautiful wooden icons. But I hung them next to my desk in my office and I like having them there. I am wavering on whether I should keep them up like this, but I've done it. I only have two small icons at the moment, and I just like being surrounded by depictions of Christ, the Theotokos.

Better than throwing it out.

You can also burn them, if you want to. My priest said to bring anything to him if we didn't want to burn them ourselves, and he would take care of it.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 06:08:31 PM »

It's absolutely fine if you cut them out and use them as icons.  

It's sad when you see people throw them in the trash.

Yes, you can ask your priest to bless them.  

Depending on their size, you could even glue them on a backing (cardboard/board) and modge podge it, so, it would last longer and not deteriorate from handling, etc.

I'm glad to hear this since my children and I actually did the bolded this morning as an art project.  We glued them to inexpensive wooden plaques from the arts & crafts store, though.  We hope to use them as instant inexpensive icons for our intended icon corner.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2011, 06:20:35 PM »


Perfect!!
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2011, 05:20:14 AM »

It's absolutely fine if you cut them out and use them as icons.  

It's sad when you see people throw them in the trash.

Yes, you can ask your priest to bless them.  

Depending on their size, you could even glue them on a backing (cardboard/board) and modge podge it, so, it would last longer and not deteriorate from handling, etc.

I'm glad to hear this since my children and I actually did the bolded this morning as an art project.  We glued them to inexpensive wooden plaques from the arts & crafts store, though.  We hope to use them as instant inexpensive icons for our intended icon corner.

Wonderful.
You could also try a layer of clear varnish on top of the paper icon to help preserve it longer. Our parish doesn't have a permanent building so we have portable icons - many of these were made by our priest by sticking large paper prints of icons to wood, then varnishing them. They've lasted many years already.
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2011, 06:15:35 AM »

Thank you, I will see if my husband has some varnish somewhere or pick up some in my travels. 

FWIW, my daughters are really proud of them.  They are a bit on the feminine side since we painted the wood with a gold glitter paint first before putting down the paper icon, but the finished product is nice.  I wish I could post a pic!
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2011, 06:25:13 AM »

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You could also try a layer of clear varnish on top of the paper icon to help preserve it longer.

One layer would not be enough. At least three (and preferably five or six) are required to fully seal the icon, and make it impervious to veneration and cleaning. Especially if sticky little fingers are going to be handling them.  Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2011, 07:12:34 AM »

Why is burning a reproduced image preferable to throwing it away?
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2011, 07:43:57 AM »

Why is burning a reproduced image preferable to throwing it away?
For much the same reason that a flag (in US at least) is properly disposed of by a dignified burning. Interestingly, the Canadian rule specifies only "in a dignified way", but that in my mind would still exclude tossing it into household garbage.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2011, 08:29:34 AM »

The flag would be pride surely?
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2011, 08:49:56 AM »

The flag would be pride surely?

Not pride, honor and respect.

Which is more deserving of honor, a flag representing a nation of people, or an icon of Christ and the saints or anything else that may blessed by God (palm leaves, etc)?
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The flag would be pride surely?

Not pride, honor and respect.

Which is more deserving of honor, a flag representing a nation of people, or an icon of Christ and the saints or anything else that may blessed by God (palm leaves, etc)?

I don't agree but i can see this developing so i'll leave it there for now.
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2011, 01:14:26 PM »

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You could also try a layer of clear varnish on top of the paper icon to help preserve it longer.

One layer would not be enough. At least three (and preferably five or six) are required to fully seal the icon, and make it impervious to veneration and cleaning. Especially if sticky little fingers are going to be handling them.  Smiley

I'm sure you're right on that - it's my priest who made the icons, so I wouldn't know how many coats of varnish he used.
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