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"God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« on: October 19, 2011, 11:55:39 PM »
I hear this quite a bit from Evangelicals, such as William Lane Craig when he is debating on the historicity and authenticity of the Resurrection by saying that God raised Jesus.

My problem with this is wouldn't you have to explain what God is before you can say God raised Jesus, and why only Jesus?

From an Orthodox perspective, God raising Christ from the dead isn't how it's supposed to be phrased?
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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 11:59:02 PM »
I hear this quite a bit from Evangelicals, such as William Lane Craig when he is debating on the historicity and authenticity of the Resurrection by saying that God raised Jesus.

My problem with this is wouldn't you have to explain what God is before you can say God raised Jesus, and why only Jesus?

From an Orthodox perspective, God raising Christ from the dead isn't how it's supposed to be phrased?
Well, didn't St. Paul say that God raised Jesus from the dead? What's wrong with using biblical language to describe the event? Besides, what's the difference between saying God raised Jesus from the dead and saying Jesus raised Himself from the dead? If Jesus is God, then those two statements logically mean the same thing, don't they?
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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 12:02:14 AM »
I hear this quite a bit from Evangelicals, such as William Lane Craig when he is debating on the historicity and authenticity of the Resurrection by saying that God raised Jesus.

My problem with this is wouldn't you have to explain what God is before you can say God raised Jesus, and why only Jesus?

From an Orthodox perspective, God raising Christ from the dead isn't how it's supposed to be phrased?
Well, didn't St. Paul say that God raised Jesus from the dead? What's wrong with using biblical language to describe the event? Besides, what's the difference between saying God raised Jesus from the dead and saying Jesus raised Himself from the dead? If Jesus is God, then those two statements logically mean the same thing, don't they?

Well see that's what I am trying to get at. Why say God raised Jesus from the dead, because to me in this context it seems God is arbitrary. Rather if you say Jesus raised Himself from the dead well that kind of eliminates explaining what God is in the argument right?
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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 12:19:07 AM »
St Paul's language does give the sense of an action taking place externally -- the act of raising appears to be done to Christ.

Our hymnography, by contrast, tends to talk in terms of the gates of hell being unable to hold the Author of Life, thereby putting the focus on Christ's divinity. For this reason, I have always been a bit uncomfortable with St Paul's wording and have longed for it to be explained to me in satisfying terms.

Also, in the New Testament, the word "God" is often used to mean "God the Father", suggesting that St Paul is making the statement that the person of the Father raised the person of the Son.

Good question.
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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 07:41:08 AM »
The Son always obeys the will of the Father. It is/was the Father's will that Christ be raised from the dead. It was Christ in His divinity Who accomplished and fulfilled that will.

I'm going to have be alert, now, I guess, to watch for this phrasing in our hymns as so many of them deal with the Resurrection. An example doesn't come to mind immediately.

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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 08:48:30 AM »
I hear this quite a bit from Evangelicals, such as William Lane Craig when he is debating on the historicity and authenticity of the Resurrection by saying that God raised Jesus.

My problem with this is wouldn't you have to explain what God is before you can say God raised Jesus, and why only Jesus?

From an Orthodox perspective, God raising Christ from the dead isn't how it's supposed to be phrased?

Not necessarily. Keep in mind that the apostles first proclaimed the resurrection to the Jews, who knew what the word "God" meant. Besides, Jesus' resurrection from the dead signified God's seal on His Messianic claims. God raised Jesus from the dead and declared Him Lord and Christ. This is a Christological formulation.
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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 08:55:16 AM »
The Son always obeys the will of the Father. It is/was the Father's will that Christ be raised from the dead. It was Christ in His divinity Who accomplished and fulfilled that will.


Yes, in Christian theology God the Father sends (Jesus' incarnation), introduces (Jesus' baptism), and glorifies (Jesus' resurrection) the Son, who emptied Himself and took human form for the redemption of mankind.
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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 09:12:25 AM »
From what i understand and fwiw, death had no hold or claim over Him, in other words, no one raised Him in terms of performing an act resisting death. He simply rose from the dead because nothing held Him there.
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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 10:13:20 AM »
I hear this quite a bit from Evangelicals, such as William Lane Craig when he is debating on the historicity and authenticity of the Resurrection by saying that God raised Jesus.

My problem with this is wouldn't you have to explain what God is before you can say God raised Jesus, and why only Jesus?

From an Orthodox perspective, God raising Christ from the dead isn't how it's supposed to be phrased?
Well, didn't St. Paul say that God raised Jesus from the dead? What's wrong with using biblical language to describe the event? Besides, what's the difference between saying God raised Jesus from the dead and saying Jesus raised Himself from the dead? If Jesus is God, then those two statements logically mean the same thing, don't they?

Well see that's what I am trying to get at. Why say God raised Jesus from the dead, because to me in this context it seems God is arbitrary. Rather if you say Jesus raised Himself from the dead well that kind of eliminates explaining what God is in the argument right?
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Re: "God rasied Jesus from the dead"
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 12:10:52 PM »
I hear this quite a bit from Evangelicals, such as William Lane Craig when he is debating on the historicity and authenticity of the Resurrection by saying that God raised Jesus.

My problem with this is wouldn't you have to explain what God is before you can say God raised Jesus, and why only Jesus?

From an Orthodox perspective, God raising Christ from the dead isn't how it's supposed to be phrased?
Well, didn't St. Paul say that God raised Jesus from the dead? What's wrong with using biblical language to describe the event? Besides, what's the difference between saying God raised Jesus from the dead and saying Jesus raised Himself from the dead? If Jesus is God, then those two statements logically mean the same thing, don't they?

That's how St. Cyril of Alexandria explains it.
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So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.