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« on: October 11, 2011, 01:12:27 PM »

Obviously, the antimension has the signature of the local bishop. What happens, for example, if the bishop dies (let's say on Saturday). Can the same antimension be used for Liturgy the next day? Or, is there a period when no antimension is used?
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 01:15:47 PM »

Second question: Does antimensions have to contain relics?
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 04:05:11 PM »

Obviously, the antimension has the signature of the local bishop. What happens, for example, if the bishop dies (let's say on Saturday). Can the same antimension be used for Liturgy the next day? Or, is there a period when no antimension is used?

In my Church (Byzantine Catholic) we use the old Antimension until the new bishop can consecrates new ones.  When the bishop is ready we have to send the old antimenisa in so the relics can be removed and placed in the new antimensia so there is a period (one or two Sundays) where there is no antimenisa or the priests use their personal ones if they have them. Since the altars often have relics in them as well and are consecrated this brief period of one or two Sundays without antimensia is done by ecomomia.  Whether this would be allowed in Orthodox jurisdiction I don't know.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 04:07:09 PM »

Second question: Does antimensions have to contain relics?
I remember reading that if the altar had relics in it, it was not an absolute neccesity for the antimension but I don't remember if this was an Orthodox or Greek Catholic publication.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 06:49:43 PM »

I'm unsure what happens between antimensia in the Orthodox Church. Very interesting question, though, as I've always heard that an antimens is required...even with a consecrated altar.

As for what happens when the bishop retires or reposes: my parish is in the OCA Diocese of the South. Our bishop, Archbishop Dmitri of Blessed Memory, retired in 2008 and reposed not long ago. My parish still uses the antimens that he assigned to our parish, as no permanent bishop has been elected to succeed him.

Also, I do believe it is required for all antimens to have relics. I believe that's the point, actually. IIRC, they were originally designed for military use so that chaplains could set up and serve the Liturgy on the battlefield, and then move on.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 07:25:33 PM »

Traditionally Antimension are consecrated when a new altar is consecrated. There is often a period of using the old Antimension before a new one can be consecrated by the new bishop.

The requirement for the relic inside the Antimension is of the Russian tradition. In the rest of the Orthodox world you only find a relic in the Antimension when it is to be used on a non-consecrated altar.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 08:00:54 PM »

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The requirement for the relic inside the Antimension is of the Russian tradition. In the rest of the Orthodox world you only find a relic in the Antimension when it is to be used on a non-consecrated altar.

Not quite. Irrespective of local tradition, the Antimension always contains a relic. The word means instead of the table (anti- and mensa). In Greek tradition, the Eiliton, which does not bear a relic, is used if the church altar is already consecrated. If the altar is not yet consecrated, or a DL is served outside a church, then an Antimension is mandatory.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 04:02:48 AM »

I've never heard that anything changes in regard to the Antimitsion when a bishop resigns or resposes.  In my parish, when Bishop Maximos of Pittsburgh became the diocesan hierarch in 1979, after the charter change, he did not issue new antimitsia to replace those issued previously by Archbishop Iakovos, but antimitsia with his signature were issued to new priests in our diocese.  Metropolitan Maximos retired last month, Metropolitan Nicholas of Detroit is our Locum Tenens and he did not issue new antimitsia.  I did notice, in the GOAA's Archdiocesan District, some time after Archbishop Spyridon had been enthroned and during his tenure, he issued new antimitsia to the priests of the (Direct) Archdiocesan District, the priests who are directly under him, but it was quite a bit of time after his enthronement, two years perhaps.  When Archbishop Demetrios was enthroned, he promptly provided new antimitsia to the clergy of the Archdiocesan District soon after his enthronement, at a ceremony at the Archdiocesan Cathedral.  My metropolis is currently widowed, so we'll see after the enthronement of the new metropolitan, if he issues new antimitsia.

Aren't antimitsia prepared during a church consecretion?  If so, how could a new diocesan bishop issue new antimitsia until he has consecrated a church?
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2011, 04:12:56 AM »

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Aren't antimitsia prepared during a church consecretion?  If so, how could a new diocesan bishop issue new antimitsia until he has consecrated a church?

Rites exist for consecration of antimensia both during the consecration of a church, and separate to it.
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 04:04:58 PM »

I've never heard that anything changes in regard to the Antimitsion when a bishop resigns or resposes.  In my parish, when Bishop Maximos of Pittsburgh became the diocesan hierarch in 1979, after the charter change, he did not issue new antimitsia to replace those issued previously by Archbishop Iakovos, but antimitsia with his signature were issued to new priests in our diocese.  Metropolitan Maximos retired last month, Metropolitan Nicholas of Detroit is our Locum Tenens and he did not issue new antimitsia.  I did notice, in the GOAA's Archdiocesan District, some time after Archbishop Spyridon had been enthroned and during his tenure, he issued new antimitsia to the priests of the (Direct) Archdiocesan District, the priests who are directly under him, but it was quite a bit of time after his enthronement, two years perhaps.  When Archbishop Demetrios was enthroned, he promptly provided new antimitsia to the clergy of the Archdiocesan District soon after his enthronement, at a ceremony at the Archdiocesan Cathedral.  My metropolis is currently widowed, so we'll see after the enthronement of the new metropolitan, if he issues new antimitsia.

Aren't antimitsia prepared during a church consecretion?  If so, how could a new diocesan bishop issue new antimitsia until he has consecrated a church?

It is my understanding that ACROD follows the practice in line with that described by Basil. I remember that Bishop, later Metropolitan Nicholas eventually provided new antimitsia to his clergy following his enthronement. Until his succesor is enthroned, his antimitsia will continue in use. I would imagine that in the interim, should the need arise for new antimitsion in any parish or with any priest, that the Locum Tenens would provide the same.
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