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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/theologian-says-religious_n_998508.htmlYou can even take his survey as to whether the discovering of intelligent life would destroy your faith. Anyway, the outcome is it that it's the non-religious who tend to think alien contact would destroy peoples' faith. I don't see how there could an atonement for intelligent aliens Biblicaly unless they're humans, seeing as how Christ did not die for angels either.
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I don't see how there could an atonement for intelligent aliens Biblicaly unless they're humans, seeing as how Christ did not die for angels either.
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I don't see how there could an atonement for intelligent aliens Biblicaly unless they're humans, seeing as how Christ did not die for angels either.
According to the Fathers, humans are creatures that possess a body, mind, noetic faculty and spirit... or something like that. In any case, aliens could easily fall under many Patristic definitions of humanity. See my avatar for an example. I wonder if the medievals thought they were humans who happened to have dog heads or an entirely different "species." |
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 02:55:27 PM » |
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In before unimaginative fellows from ROCOR cite Fr. Seraphim of Platina in this thread. Good point. It should be noted, this has nothing at all with alleged UFO sightings, it's about the possibility of what is out there. |
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I don't see how there could an atonement for intelligent aliens Biblicaly unless they're humans, seeing as how Christ did not die for angels either.
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If aliens exist as we think of them in science-fiction, sensient beings, they will be humans in the broad sense of the word, even if they have tentacles instead of legs and arms, and therefore, fallen. But I'm not optimistic about this. If they exist, it means that either no species has achieved interstellar/intergallatic travel capability, or that it is, in fact, impossible for biological organisms. My leanings, though, are with the Rare Earth hypothesis. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis ) I might concede alien races *with* the Rare Earth hypothesis if we take into account the possibility of a Multiverse. Aliens would exist in other universes and that would be the source of the difficulty in communication. *If* we are the only intelligent race in this universe - as I guess we are - then, the *whole* universe is ours to explore. If that is the case, "taking the Gospel to all nations" actually mean spreading it, literally, through all the inhabitable worlds in the universe and even those that can be made inhabitable through terraformation. If the Day of Judgment will come only after that, than current calculations of the scientists for the death of the universe may allow for a "human diaspora" throughout the Universe before that. |
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I don't see how there could an atonement for intelligent aliens Biblicaly unless they're humans, seeing as how Christ did not die for angels either.
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I agree. Still, Salvation is not just for man, but for the entire cosmos, and that includes aliens (though the atonement for sins is specific to humans, as Volnutt points out). But I am not holding my breath that they exist, nor do I much care. There are a thousand good reasons to explore space, but looking for aliens is not one of them, IMO. |
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I agree. Still, Salvation is not just for man, but for the entire cosmos, and that includes aliens (though the atonement for sins is specific to humans, as Volnutt points out). But I am not holding my breath that they exist, nor do I much care. There are a thousand good reasons to explore space, but looking for aliens is not one of them, IMO. Well, if they exist, if they are intelligent moral beings with free will, then they would fit the concept of human, which would have to be broadened from our species. If there are aliens with the traits I mentioned, I think they would have fallen souls in need of salvation. |
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I can't even believe people are discussing this. The God-blessed and thrice-blessed Fathers already dealt with space aliens at the 6th Ecumenical Council...
"If, however, there be anyone in the world who does not care to hold and embrace the aforesaid dogmas of piety, and believe and preach thus, but, on the contrary, attempts to by-pass them, let him be anathema, in accordance with the definition (or rule) already previously promulgated by the aforesaid holy and blissful Fathers, and let him be erased and expunged from the Christian Roll like an alien, and as one not belonging to our faith." - Trullo, Canon 1
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Where did the thrice-blessing come from if not God? The thrice-blessing is indeed from God. And since God is three persons, the first blessing mentioned is also a triple blessing. Some assume from this that there are 6 blessings, and since 6 is the number of man, that this indicates that it is a blessing from the God-man. This is not so. Instead, you don't add the blessings, but multiply: 3 x 3 = 9. But what is 9? Now you must divide by 2, for it was given through two blessings. Thus we get 4 1/2. Now this is where it gets speculative. Some think that the 4 1/2 stands for the Four Gospels, with Acts being the 1/2 since it was not a Gospel yet was a continuation of the story. Others, however, say that 4 1/2 is meant to symbolize fulness, for there are 4 winds and 4 pillars that the earth sits on and 4 edges of the world, so adding a 1/2 is like saying "all that and more, baby!" It's like a symbol for everything that is, and maybe a smidgen more. |
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selam to all  although I am going to qoute my brother nicholas, what i have to say is for whom it may concern In before unimaginative fellows from ROCOR cite Fr. Seraphim of Platina in this thread. Since when did it become fashionable among the orthodox to ridicule the long existing belief that the lord created mankind as we know it today and angels as intelligent beings? or for the speculation that insinuates the theology that includes alien intelligent life to be more acceptable theology of Christianity? Oh include the young vs. Old earth theology controversy in this also. When it comes to our salivation both sides can believe either side of the argument and still benefit from their faith in Christ Crucified for humanity. So our redemption story is not dependant on the age of the earth or the presence of aliens or not. However there are among us those who believe one is wrong and the other one is right, and still others who believe accepting one is in contradiction to what has been reveled and believed as true in the church. No matter, I believe those who have a new found knowledge that allowed them to be ‘free thinkers’ if they are to maintain the mind of Christ which the apostle tells us we should , avoid being puffed up over their ‘ none free thinking set in their ways’ brethren. If we are to present an idea , or even a fact, let us do it in charity, not in disdain , contempt and ridicule towards our brethren, as the apostle have said knowledge puffs up but love builds up. Surely we can agree to disagree on certain things without losing our basic Christian ethics and hurling words that would harm our brethren for whom our Lord died for. Let us prioritize, IMO certain things are not worth losing our brethren over. So dial down that particular tone. and I say this for all sides, those that cry heretics or those that say ignorants. you are free to disagree with me ofc  Having said all that lol which might get me some rotten tomatoes from some and hopefuly which I will accept as gracefully as possible lol  in simplest terms I think that if intelligent aliens exist our God will provide for them in all their needs, spiritual or physical. He is never far from His creation. As the lord did not need to become an angel for the angelic hosts to be united to him, salvation to the aliens does not need to necessarily call for the incarnation as ours did. Therefore it will not make me lose my faith or increase it in some way, to find that they exist. selam for all.  |
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I don't see how there could an atonement for intelligent aliens Biblicaly unless they're humans, seeing as how Christ did not die for angels either.
Oh snap, people are thinking about this stuff some more, what's going to happen? This: Our Father Among the Saints Qvuulientalii'i the Confessor, Bishop of Xyykiti.  But, seriously...where did you find that? |
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He is descended from Adam, not exactly alien. But he's Homo Superior, not Homo Sapiens. |
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Oh snap, people are thinking about this stuff some more, what's going to happen? This: Our Father Among the Saints Qvuulientalii'i the Confessor, Bishop of Xyykiti. But, seriously...where did you find that? Benjamin, I was trying to decide what to name our gray man icon before i forwarded it to those who might get a kick out of this, that name was off the chain!! thank you !! mine was not as original as you, ever watched the Star gate as often as i do? well ' St.Thor Supreme Commander of the Asgard Fleet,of the galaxy of Ida, defender of the Fifth Race from the heretical council of the Goa'uld' |
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Oh snap, people are thinking about this stuff some more, what's going to happen? This: Our Father Among the Saints Qvuulientalii'i the Confessor, Bishop of Xyykiti. But, seriously...where did you find that? Benjamin, I was trying to decide what to name our gray man icon before i forwarded it to those who might get a kick out of this, that name was off the chain!! thank you !! mine was not as original as you, ever watched the Star gate as often as i do? well ' St.Thor Supreme Commander of the Asgard Fleet,of the galaxy of Ida, defender of the Fifth Race from the heretical council of the Goa'uld' Lol. Awesome, Hiwot! Gimme a minute and I'll write up a hagiography. |
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Oh snap, people are thinking about this stuff some more, what's going to happen? This: Our Father Among the Saints Qvuulientalii'i the Confessor, Bishop of Xyykiti. But, seriously...where did you find that? Benjamin, I was trying to decide what to name our gray man icon before i forwarded it to those who might get a kick out of this, that name was off the chain!! thank you !! mine was not as original as you, ever watched the Star gate as often as i do? well ' St.Thor Supreme Commander of the Asgard Fleet,of the galaxy of Ida, defender of the Fifth Race from the heretical council of the Goa'uld' Hiwot breaking serious Stargate knowledgez. There are so many jokes here I don't know where to begin. Probably not in this thread. |
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I don't see how there could an atonement for intelligent aliens Biblicaly unless they're humans, seeing as how Christ did not die for angels either.
Oh snap, people are thinking about this stuff some more, what's going to happen? This: Our Father Among the Saints Qvuulientalii'i the Confessor, Bishop of Xyykiti. But, seriously...where did you find that? From this site in Portuguese: http://oprofeta.net/?p=3920 It talks about some declarations from an astronomer priest in the Vatican that life would soon be found in other planets. You can see related news here (without Bishop Qvuulientalii'i): http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/17/pope-astronomer-baptise-aliens(by the way, the astronomer's POV is similar to mine on this issue) |
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Anyway, I'm more interested to see how the worldwide population would react to alien encounters.
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Interestingly, in an Orthodoxy-related space saga, where humanity has ventured into interstellar travel and colonized other planets, we would probably see all the original patriarchates collapse into a Patriarchate of Earth, while the "local" most traditional jurisdictions would be the Patriarch of Mars, Patriarch of Titan, Patriarch of Moon and the new ones would be the patriarchates of the new exo-Earths. Hmmm..... Interesting title, that's for sure. "His All-Holiness Michael LXXVIII, Archbishop of Constantinople New Rome, Metropolitan of All Earth, and Ecumenical Patriarch."  |
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« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2011, 12:49:27 PM » |
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Earth is missionary territory.
Interestingly, in an Orthodoxy-related space saga, where humanity has ventured into interstellar travel and colonized other planets, we would probably see all the original patriarchates collapse into a Patriarchate of Earth, while the "local" most traditional jurisdictions would be the Patriarch of Mars, Patriarch of Titan, Patriarch of Moon and the new ones would be the patriarchates of the new exo-Earths. Hmmm..... Interesting title, that's for sure. "His All-Holiness Michael LXXVIII, Archbishop of Constantinople New Rome, Metropolitan of All Earth, and Ecumenical Patriarch." Plot hook... would he consider all the Orthodox on the other planet to be under his jurisdiction since they are all a kind of diaspora? Do "barbaric lands" include other planets? |
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« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2011, 01:04:37 PM » |
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Earth is missionary territory. Interestingly, in an Orthodoxy-related space saga, where humanity has ventured into interstellar travel and colonized other planets, we would probably see all the original patriarchates collapse into a Patriarchate of Earth, while the "local" most traditional jurisdictions would be the Patriarch of Mars, Patriarch of Titan, Patriarch of Moon and the new ones would be the patriarchates of the new exo-Earths. Hmmm..... Interesting title, that's for sure. "His All-Holiness Michael LXXVIII, Archbishop of Constantinople New Rome, Metropolitan of All Earth, and Ecumenical Patriarch." Plot hook... would he consider all the Orthodox on the other planet to be under his jurisdiction since they are all a kind of diaspora? Do "barbaric lands" include other planets? Gives new meaning to "universal bishop". |
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Earth is missionary territory.
Interestingly, in an Orthodoxy-related space saga, where humanity has ventured into interstellar travel and colonized other planets, we would probably see all the original patriarchates collapse into a Patriarchate of Earth, while the "local" most traditional jurisdictions would be the Patriarch of Mars, Patriarch of Titan, Patriarch of Moon and the new ones would be the patriarchates of the new exo-Earths. Hmmm..... Interesting title, that's for sure. "His All-Holiness Michael LXXVIII, Archbishop of Constantinople New Rome, Metropolitan of All Earth, and Ecumenical Patriarch." Plot hook... would he consider all the Orthodox on the other planet to be under his jurisdiction since they are all a kind of diaspora? Do "barbaric lands" include other planets? He would! But the Patriarch of Olympus Mons and All Mars would claim to be the Second Earth, ever since the Marsian terraforming was complete and Earth has been significantly drained of natural resources. Obviously, this makes Mars now the capital of humanity, with its new resources and growing population. Therefore the Marsian Patriarchate would officially advocate itself as the new Ecumenical Patriarchate and seek to hold its exoplanetary territories, since they were the first to missionize them, and they were at the time politically held as colonies of Mars, not Earth. |
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"Hades is not a place, no, but a state of the soul. It begins here on earth. Just so, paradise begins in the soul of a man here in the earthly life. Here we already have contact with the divine..." -St. John, Wonderworker of Shanghai and San Francisco, Homily On the Sunday of Orthodoxy
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When they get here they are going to ask for directions to the nearest Blessed Sacrament chapel.
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"The only-begotten Son of God, wanting us to be partakers of his divinity, assumed our human nature so that, having become man, he might make men gods." - St. Thomas Aquinas
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Wouldn't it be ironic if the aliens, on whose appearance some atheists put their best hopes of demoralizing Christianity once and for all, said they were afraid of contacting humans directly out of religious respect? "You are the species through which our prophets said the whole multiverse is saved. For us you are a sacred race. We could not simply come and touch the temple where the Creator dwells physically without fear and humility. This entire planet is an altar."
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« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2011, 02:31:00 PM » |
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Wouldn't it be ironic if the aliens, on whose appearance some atheists put their best hopes of demoralizing Christianity once and for all, said they were afraid of contacting humans directly out of religious respect? "You are the species through which our prophets said the whole multiverse is saved. For us you are a sacred race. We could not simply come and touch the temple where the Creator dwells physically without fear and humility. This entire planet is an altar."
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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