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« Reply #270 on: August 14, 2013, 02:22:12 PM »

It is an absolute nightmare right now. So far, over 16 Churches, monasteries & religious institutions of various Christian groups destroyed.

The Maspero Youth Union operations center is monitoring the attacks on churches and Coptic property in 5 provinces.

Extremist groups from the Muslim Brotherhood, the Salfyeen, and Jama’a Islameya implemented their threats of attacking Christians and police departments in of the dispersion of the sit ins at Nahda in Giza and Raba’a eladaweya in Nasr City. Starting from early morning, these terrori...sts began attacking churches and Coptic property in the provinces of Minya, Fayoum, Al Suez, Luxor, and Sohag. The losses have been reported as follows:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=590775414299440&set=a.203371319706520.50963.198889343488051&type=1

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« Reply #271 on: August 14, 2013, 03:25:14 PM »

Report on the attacks against Copts on 14 August  
Wednesday 14 Aug 2013 - 09:13 PM

http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=44010


Copts and police targeted all over Egypt 
Wednesday 14 Aug 2013 - 01:06 PM
Reported by Treza Kamal, Nader Shukry, Michael Victor, and Raafat Edward
 
http://www.wataninet.com/watani_Article_Details.aspx?A=43914
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« Reply #272 on: August 14, 2013, 04:16:04 PM »

Coptic churches burn in Egypt
Egyptians on Twitter crowdsource reports of attacks on Christians.

http://storify.com/ajstream/egychurch/elements/874dd6621b17fbafa050a91b
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« Reply #273 on: August 14, 2013, 05:09:29 PM »

THe US, EU and all the MB allies did not issue one single word condemning the attack on churches. They criticized dissolving the MB criminal sit-in though.

 
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« Reply #274 on: August 14, 2013, 06:10:47 PM »

Coptic churches burn in Egypt
Egyptians on Twitter crowdsource reports of attacks on Christians.

http://storify.com/ajstream/egychurch/elements/874dd6621b17fbafa050a91b

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Here is a news blog from the area:

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/08/14/coptic-churches-burnt-in-egypt/

NEWSBREAKING: Many Coptic Churches burn across Egypt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3054727/posts?page=6
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« Reply #275 on: August 14, 2013, 08:38:13 PM »

THe US, EU and all the MB allies did not issue one single word condemning the attack on churches. They criticized dissolving the MB criminal sit-in though.

 
This story seems to be completely absent to almost every major U. S. news source except Fox News (nothing at all by CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc.). Why? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/499052/20130814/morsi-supporters-attack-coptic-churches-sohag-menya.htm

Some churches and buildings that were attacked by the Muslim Brotherhood and their supporters :
1 – The Church of the Virgin Mary and Anba Abram of the Copts Orthodox village Dljh, the center of Deir Mawas, Minya Governorate burning church and demolished.
2 – The Church of St. Mina Coptic Orthodox neighborhood of Abu Hilal Kebly Minya Governorate burning church
3 – St. George’s Church Copts الارثوزكس the land of the archbishopric, Sohag Governorate burning church
4 – Center Baptist Church Bani Mazar, Minya Governorate burning church
5 – Church of Our Lady of Copts الأرثوزكس the village Nazlah, Yusuf Center, Fayoum governorate burning the church …
6 – Monastery of the Sisters of the Good Shepherd + school Suez burning
7 – Church Street parents Alfrencescan the Suez burning 23
8 – The Bible Society of Friends Fayoum burning
9 – The Church of Saint Maximus 45th Street Alexandria harassment
10 – Church of Prince Taodharos Echatbi Fayoum burning
11 – Church of Our Lady of Copts الارثوزكس the street butchers Abu Hilal District Minia Governorate burning
12 – Church Marmriqs the Catholic Copts Abu Hilal District, Minya Governorate burning
13 – Church of the Jesuit Fathers Abu Hilal District, Minya Governorate burning
14 – Church of the Virgin and Abram news Sohag burning
15 – Church Marmriqs the building services electricity Street, Sohag burning
16 – a Father Onjelios home king pastor of the Church of the Virgin and Anba Abram Bdljh of Deir Mawas Dljh the center of the province of Minya house was completely burned
17 – the burning of the Greek Church in Suez http://beforeitsnews.com/christian-news/2013/08/christian-churches-attacked-burn-all-over-egypt-2480776.html

I guess that isn't important enough to constitute breaking news in this part of the world.
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« Reply #276 on: August 14, 2013, 10:47:56 PM »

Another article, with pictures of some of the churches, is here:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2013/08/morsi-supporters-attack-coptic-churches-in-sohag-menya-and-dilg/

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« Reply #277 on: August 15, 2013, 07:43:27 PM »

At least 22 churches have been attacked and/or destroyed in the last couple of days:

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... In the last few hours, the Islamists have attacked seven Catholic churches and a full fifteen religious structures of the Coptic-Orthodox Church and the Protestant church. The attacks took place in Cairo and in the governorate of Sohag (Upper Egypt). The news was announced by Fr. Rafic Greiche, spokesperson for the Egyptian Catholic Church, who underlined the fact that the Western media has remained silent about the attacks. At the moment it is unclear whether any persons have been injured or killed.

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http://www.aina.org/news/20130815085246.htm
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« Reply #278 on: August 15, 2013, 08:14:13 PM »

It seems one of the churches destroyed was an ancient fourth century church.  The Muslim Brotherhood is also attacking Christian homes:

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Attackers today set fire to a Christian youth center in Fayoum. They also reportedly destroyed a 4th century church, one of the oldest in Egypt. Scores of other churches and Copt homes were attacked.

A Copt activist told The Tower that over 21 churches were completely burned to the ground, and more were attacked. There are no confirmed numbers regarding deaths or injuries.

http://www.thetower.org/egyptian-govt-calls-on-morsi-supporters-to-end-violence-as-islamists-burn-down-scores-of-christian-churches-and-home/
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« Reply #279 on: August 15, 2013, 08:24:24 PM »

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Morsy supporters also reportedly attacked a number of Christian churches. It's not clear how many were targeted, but Dalia Ziada, of the Ibn Khadun Center for Development Studies, said Thursday that her group had documented the burning of 29 churches and Coptic facilities across the country.

"This is horrible to happen in only one day," she said.

The Bible Society of Egypt said 15 churches and three Christian schools had been attacked, some set on fire.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/world/meast/egypt-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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« Reply #280 on: August 15, 2013, 08:40:55 PM »

I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:



https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

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« Reply #281 on: August 15, 2013, 09:32:08 PM »

Though the entire church was burnt, miraculously the icon of our Lord didnot burn....
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« Reply #282 on: August 15, 2013, 10:18:34 PM »

I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:



https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.


My Arabic is very poor. But I do believe these are Christians praying.
I could also be wrong but is this a old picture?
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« Reply #283 on: August 15, 2013, 10:53:22 PM »

I think it's a current picture, taken inside one of the churches that was just destroyed by the Muslim Brotherhood.  I'd like someone who reads Arabic well to confirm it, though.
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« Reply #284 on: August 15, 2013, 10:54:32 PM »

Though the entire church was burnt, miraculously the icon of our Lord didnot burn....


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« Reply #285 on: August 15, 2013, 11:31:31 PM »

I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:



https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.
The tweet says: "They burned the Church, but we will still pray so every terrorist knows that the Church is in our hearts, not in buildings."
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« Reply #286 on: August 15, 2013, 11:43:11 PM »

May God watch over and protect the Copts in this distressing time.
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« Reply #287 on: August 16, 2013, 12:23:51 AM »

I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:



https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.
The tweet says: "They burned the Church, but we will still pray so every terrorist knows that the Church is in our hearts, not in buildings."

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« Reply #288 on: August 16, 2013, 03:10:27 AM »

As already pointed out by others, there is almost no coverage in the major news media outlets about this.  The focus is elsewhere on the conflict there in Egypt.  Horrible.
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« Reply #289 on: August 16, 2013, 03:53:45 AM »

I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? Angry
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I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? Angry

Not surprising in the least bit.  Sad
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« Reply #291 on: August 16, 2013, 11:38:39 AM »

I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? Angry

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« Reply #292 on: August 16, 2013, 12:55:17 PM »

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« Reply #293 on: August 16, 2013, 10:51:18 PM »

I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? Angry

Not surprising in the least bit.  Sad
Not "surprising" (e.g. we heard nothing at all in the Western media of the massacre of 450 Kurds -mostly women, elderly, and 150 children- in Syria either), but still *astounding*, and instructive.

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I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? Angry

Not surprising in the least bit.  Sad
Not "surprising" (e.g. we heard nothing at all in the Western media of the massacre of 450 Kurds -mostly women, elderly, and 150 children- in Syria either), but still *astounding*, and instructive.



Indeed!  Out media has lost all perspective it seems.  It almost appears like they are intentionally supporting the chaos and evils popping up all over the world.  In Syria, not one pays attention to the rebels being the same people being fought against in Afghanistan and Iraq, that it is not homegrown opposition, that the Orthodox there have chosen the side of the legitimate government.  Ah, yes, the mindless media.
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« Reply #295 on: August 16, 2013, 11:53:31 PM »

USA Today, I believe, had a story today about Egypt's Christians living in fear.
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« Reply #296 on: August 17, 2013, 12:01:00 AM »

I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? Angry

Not surprising in the least bit.  Sad
Not "surprising" (e.g. we heard nothing at all in the Western media of the massacre of 450 Kurds -mostly women, elderly, and 150 children- in Syria either), but still *astounding*, and instructive.



Indeed!  Out media has lost all perspective it seems.  It almost appears like they are intentionally supporting the chaos and evils popping up all over the world.  In Syria, not one pays attention to the rebels being the same people being fought against in Afghanistan and Iraq, that it is not homegrown opposition, that the Orthodox there have chosen the side of the legitimate government.  Ah, yes, the mindless media.

For what my opinion is worth I regard U. S. media these days on the same ethical plane as any other Holocaust Suppressors/Deniers of the past. What we see in the U. S. is less "news" than super-selective silence/outrage according to the metanarrative of the day. Pablum.

450 Kurds killed? That's not newsworthy. Wrong side dead. Pussy Riot? Front page to the ages of ages.

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« Reply #297 on: August 17, 2013, 01:19:34 AM »

From an e-mail from the Armenian Eastern Diocese of the United States:

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The persecution of Egypt’s age-old Coptic Christian community has been an ongoing concern for several years now, but it has reached horrifying levels in the past few weeks, following the fall of Egypt’s government.

Coptic churches are being looted and set aflame. The Coptic Pope Tawadros II is in hiding under threat of death. A priest, Fr. Mina Cheroubim, was shot dead in front of his church, and Copts—including women and children—have been savagely beaten, abducted, and killed. Their homes, businesses, and churches are covered with threatening, hate-filled graffiti—a fate that has extended to some Armenian edifices as well.

The stories of suffering are too unsettling to relate; but they are all-too-familiar to Armenian Christians. It is painful to think that the vicious acts of persecution we still vividly remember, a century after the Genocide, are being re-enacted today, against the Copts. Our two churches have always been closely related in our theology and antiquity—and in our experience of persecution, both historical as well as contemporary, as the Armenians of Syria can well attest.

One can read about the general turmoil in Egypt, with its escalating violence and terrible loss of life, in most newspapers these days. But there is comparatively little being written and said about the plight of the Coptic Christians, and the existential threat they are facing in their ancestral homeland. Let us not be the ones to forget them at this time. Rather let us remember our Coptic brothers and sisters; reach out to them, speak up for them—and above all pray for them, and for an end to their affliction.

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« Reply #298 on: August 17, 2013, 02:18:30 AM »

This is what happens when you have a few major mega conglomerate corporate owned media outlets. They are sheep that keep repeating the same few mainstream news items and strictly stick to the talking points handed to them. It's like if Walmart got into the business of doing the news this is what you would get. That's why these days I view fake networks like Fox as pure comedy and entertainment. In fact, you probably would get much more truth from Comedy Central these days! Roll Eyes  
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« Reply #299 on: August 17, 2013, 02:30:25 AM »

I'm not Fox's biggest fan, but they have been doing more reporting on the what is happening to the Copts than the other major networks right now. 

When it comes to looking for news about Christian communities in the Middle East, I tend to look at:

The Assyrian International News Agency:

http://www.aina.org/index.shtml


and Orthodox News:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/

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« Reply #300 on: August 17, 2013, 02:45:00 AM »

I'm not Fox's biggest fan, but they have been doing more reporting on the what is happening to the Copts than the other major networks right now.  

They usually do a better job than the other major networks anyway.  But as you stated, they are the only ones I have found so far which have actually addressed this situation directly.  I watched an interview on Fox which talked about this only and why it isn't being covered elsewhere in America.  But still, not enough coverage if you ask me.
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« Reply #301 on: August 17, 2013, 06:04:36 AM »

I opened up the local (N. California) newspaper, owned by a corporate media company based in San Francisco, to find a large article with several pictures concerning the situation in Egypt. The pictures, and the story, focused entirely on the plight of the poor Morsi/MB supporters battling against the army via protests against the recent ouster of Herr Morsi. Are you freaking kidding me? Angry

Not surprising in the least bit.  Sad
Not "surprising" (e.g. we heard nothing at all in the Western media of the massacre of 450 Kurds -mostly women, elderly, and 150 children- in Syria either), but still *astounding*, and instructive.



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I saw an article on Fox today about rebels killing 11 people, of which 9 were Christian between two Christian villages.
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« Reply #302 on: August 17, 2013, 10:59:22 AM »

Yes,  Fox news is covering Egypt in a way the major networks are not doing and it is refreshing considering the reputation Fox News earned during Bush's Iraq War.
Alas nothing can be expected from CNN other than the White House line handed out by Obama's pant suit team.
I try and balance news from the West with those from RT to get a more wholesome picture. 
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« Reply #303 on: August 17, 2013, 11:43:12 AM »

I'm not Fox's biggest fan, but they have been doing more reporting on the what is happening to the Copts than the other major networks right now.  

They usually do a better job than the other major networks anyway.  But as you stated, they are the only ones I have found so far which have actually addressed this situation directly.  I watched an interview on Fox which talked about this only and why it isn't being covered elsewhere in America.  But still, not enough coverage if you ask me.
Bob Beckel, one of the liberals on Fox (yes, Fox has lots of them), brings it up every time Egypt is mentioned.

Fox's reputation for doing a better job is maligned by the competition they are beating.
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« Reply #304 on: August 17, 2013, 12:07:30 PM »

The majors are reporting on it now (some for the first time three days later). 52 churches destroyed in 24 hours.

"...in Alexandria, Arish, Assiut, Beni Suef, Cairo, Fayoum, Gharbiya, Giza, Minya, Qena, Sohag and Suez... churches and schools, as well as homes and businesses [monasteries, orphanages, etc.] belonging to Coptic Christians... 'In the past two-and-a-half years, we've had more deaths of people just because they are Christians than in the last 20 years...'"

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/world/meast/egypt-church-attacks/index.html

The crosses being painted on the homes and businesses of Christians reminds one of the usage of the star of David in Nazi Germany.

Map in USA Today:



http://www.usatoday.com/interactive/2659967/
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« Reply #305 on: August 17, 2013, 02:35:42 PM »

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"The Qatari-owned media company Al-Jazeera saw 22 members of its staff in Egypt resign on Monday over what they allege was “biased coverage” of the events that unfolded in Cairo last week.

Al-Jazeera correspondent Haggag Salama was among those who resigned, accusing the station of “airing lies and misleading viewers,” Gulf News reported Monday.

Former anchor Karem Mahmoud said he left because of “biased coverage.”

...He added that the channel’s management would instruct staff members to favor the Muslim Brotherhood.

Journalist Abdel Latif el-Menawy, who was head of the Egypt News Center under ex-president Hosni Mubarak, said that Al-Jazeera was a “propaganda channel” for the Brotherhood.

“Al Jazeera turned itself into a channel for the Muslim Brotherhood group,” el-Menawy told Al Arabiya. “They are far away from being professional. When the Muslim Brotherhood collapsed, they continued to play the role.”



Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/9/we-aired-lies-al-jazeera-staff-quit-over-biased-eg/#ixzz2cFn9MpiS

What's the difference between Al Jazeera selectively reported and omitted and what the U. S major media reported and omitted for three days? The Russian media was reporting the bigger picture from the very beginning. It's not as if the information wasn't there.
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« Reply #306 on: August 17, 2013, 03:22:20 PM »

Communiqué issued by Pope  Tawadros II

The communiqué from the Coptic Orthodox Church is available in both French and English at the link above.
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« Reply #307 on: August 17, 2013, 03:56:00 PM »



Quote from: Pope Tawadros II
We strongly denounce the fallacies broadcasted by the western media and invite them to review the facts objectively regarding these bloody radical organizations and their affiliates instead of legitimizing them with global support and political protection while they attempt to spread devastation and destruction in our dear land. We request that the international and western media adhere to providing a comprehensive account of all events with truth, accuracy, and honesty. Communiqué issued by Pope  Tawadros II
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« Reply #308 on: August 17, 2013, 04:43:19 PM »

I do not think that the West is searching for the truth. They have agendas and they want to achieve their goals in Egypt, and the MB was executing their strategies very efficiently. This is the scary part. The West will not go away nor will their agendas for the destruction of the Middle East around ther favourite state.

They do not lack the resources to know the reality of what is happening. They choose to ignore it. They just happen to support terrorism. They be not be persuaded that indeed the Egyptians hate the Islamists. They can only be made to submit to this fact. How?

We are living out Isaiah 19.
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« Reply #309 on: August 18, 2013, 12:00:44 AM »

This is a harrowing story, detailing some of the atrocities that are happening:

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CAIRO (AP) — After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like "prisoners of war" before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

In the four days since security forces cleared two sit-in camps by supporters of Egypt's ousted president, Islamists have attacked dozens of Coptic churches along with homes and businesses owned by the Christian minority. The campaign of intimidation appears to be a warning to Christians outside Cairo to stand down from political activism.

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http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-islamists-hit-christian-churches-235144103.html
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This is a harrowing story, detailing some of the atrocities that are happening:

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CAIRO (AP) — After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like "prisoners of war" before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

In the four days since security forces cleared two sit-in camps by supporters of Egypt's ousted president, Islamists have attacked dozens of Coptic churches along with homes and businesses owned by the Christian minority. The campaign of intimidation appears to be a warning to Christians outside Cairo to stand down from political activism.

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http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-islamists-hit-christian-churches-235144103.html
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« Reply #311 on: August 18, 2013, 03:42:56 AM »

Finally, its on the front page of Fox.

Egyptian Islamists attack Christian churches

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After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like "prisoners of war" before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/18/egyptian-islamists-attack-christian-churches/#ixzz2cIzQVvSu

To be fair, CNN has an article as well.

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For 67 years, the Virgin Mary Church has been a peaceful refuge for Shenouda El Sayeh, much like the Giza province village of Kafr Hakim where it rests and where he has lived all those years.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/world/meast/egypt-church-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2
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« Reply #312 on: August 18, 2013, 05:21:29 AM »

I think this is a picture of Copts praying in one of the destroyed churches:



https://twitter.com/MenaFayekGayed/status/368007168840044544

Perhaps someone who reads Arabic can confirm.
The tweet says: "They burned the Church, but we will still pray so every terrorist knows that the Church is in our hearts, not in buildings."
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« Reply #313 on: August 18, 2013, 11:14:37 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDx_n4av0KU

Video of the Barbaric Attack on St. George Church in Soha
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« Reply #314 on: August 18, 2013, 11:37:23 AM »

I do not think that the West is searching for the truth. They have agendas and they want to achieve their goals in Egypt, and the MB was executing their strategies very efficiently. This is the scary part. The West will not go away nor will their agendas for the destruction of the Middle East around ther favourite state.

They do not lack the resources to know the reality of what is happening. They choose to ignore it. They just happen to support terrorism. They be not be persuaded that indeed the Egyptians hate the Islamists. They can only be made to submit to this fact. How?

We are living out Isaiah 19.

Isaiah 19:2 was fulfilled 700BC - 600BC when Pharaoh Piye came into power and the rest of Isaiah 19 with the centuries to come.
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