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« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2011, 05:40:33 PM »

Unfortunately, abortion itself has become almost as casual.

As for these pills, many women are walking around with scarred souls because they have unintentionally aborted their babies from the use of birth control pills. The pill doesn't always prevent pregnancy. Sometimes conception occurs and the effects of the pill prevent the nascent embryo from attaching to the uteran wall, causing an effective abortion.

Satan has materfully woven his anti-life lies into the consciousness of our culture, and may Christians have swallowed it whole.


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Never proven. Can't be. Good luck with moralizing biochemical theory.


The fact is that you can't disprove the comments in bold. That aside, let's deal with the biological fact that the effects of the birth control pill often include prevention of the implantation of a cenceived embryo on the unteran wall. Now whether or not you personally view this embryo as a human being is a different issue. But biologically it is objectively human life, the issue of "personhood" being a philosophical/theological matter outside of biology. This is not a matter of "moralizing biochemical theory;" it is a matter of recognizing objective biological fact and then assessing that fact in light of an Orthodox Christian worldview.


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« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2011, 05:46:07 PM »

Unfortunately, abortion itself has become almost as casual.

As for these pills, many women are walking around with scarred souls because they have unintentionally aborted their babies from the use of birth control pills. The pill doesn't always prevent pregnancy. Sometimes conception occurs and the effects of the pill prevent the nascent embryo from attaching to the uteran wall, causing an effective abortion.

Satan has materfully woven his anti-life lies into the consciousness of our culture, and may Christians have swallowed it whole.


"Lord have mercy."


Selam  

Never proven. Can't be. Good luck with moralizing biochemical theory.


The fact is that you can't disprove the comments in bold. That aside, let's deal with the biological fact that the effects of the birth control pill often include prevention of the implantation of a cenceived embryo on the unteran wall. Now whether or not you personally view this embryo as a human being is a different issue. But biologically it is objectively human life, the issue of "personhood" being a philosophical/theological matter outside of biology. This is not a matter of "moralizing biochemical theory;" it is a matter of recognizing objective biological fact and then assessing that fact in light of an Orthodox Christian worldview.


Selam



No it's theory. Keep trying.

Smarter people than you have conceded the issue on this. Not just smarter but actually attempt such experimental design. It does happen, but causality has never been shown. I know people who are sympathetic to your world view who work in such fields and cannot with intellectual integrity come to your conclusion.

I would like to explain to you the difficulty experiment design, not to mention data analysis, that goes into trivial consumer product development, much less such experiments involving human subjects.

  
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« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2011, 06:12:39 PM »

Unfortunately, abortion itself has become almost as casual.

As for these pills, many women are walking around with scarred souls because they have unintentionally aborted their babies from the use of birth control pills. The pill doesn't always prevent pregnancy. Sometimes conception occurs and the effects of the pill prevent the nascent embryo from attaching to the uteran wall, causing an effective abortion.

Satan has materfully woven his anti-life lies into the consciousness of our culture, and may Christians have swallowed it whole.


"Lord have mercy."


Selam  

Never proven. Can't be. Good luck with moralizing biochemical theory.


The fact is that you can't disprove the comments in bold. That aside, let's deal with the biological fact that the effects of the birth control pill often include prevention of the implantation of a cenceived embryo on the unteran wall. Now whether or not you personally view this embryo as a human being is a different issue. But biologically it is objectively human life, the issue of "personhood" being a philosophical/theological matter outside of biology. This is not a matter of "moralizing biochemical theory;" it is a matter of recognizing objective biological fact and then assessing that fact in light of an Orthodox Christian worldview.


Selam



No it's theory. Keep trying.

Smarter people than you have conceded the issue on this. Not just smarter but actually attempt such experimental design. It does happen, but causality has never been shown. I know people who are sympathetic to your world view who work in such fields and cannot with intellectual integrity come to your conclusion.

I would like to explain to you the difficulty experiment design, not to mention data analysis, that goes into trivial consumer product development, much less such experiments involving human subjects.

  


Your obfuscation is obscured by your obtuseness. Perhaps you could address my points one by one, without the dismissive sarcasm.


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« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2011, 07:25:27 PM »

I understood him. Sometimes the embryo just doesn't implant on the uterine wall, it can happen naturally. It's not been shown by experiment that the MAP causes this or makes it more likely.
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« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2011, 07:32:26 PM »

I understood him. Sometimes the embryo just doesn't implant on the uterine wall, it can happen naturally. It's not been shown by experiment that the MAP causes this or makes it more likely.

Darn. I was writing a rhyme to respond.
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« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2011, 07:37:48 PM »

I understood him. Sometimes the embryo just doesn't implant on the uterine wall, it can happen naturally. It's not been shown by experiment that the MAP causes this or makes it more likely.

Darn. I was writing a rhyme to respond.
Twas my crime, I stopped your rhyme. Does that make me slime at this time, since I declined to play the mime?
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« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2011, 07:43:13 PM »

I understood him. Sometimes the embryo just doesn't implant on the uterine wall, it can happen naturally. It's not been shown by experiment that the MAP causes this or makes it more likely.

Darn. I was writing a rhyme to respond.
Twas my crime, I stopped your rhyme. Does that make me slime at this time, since I declined to play the mime?

Dude mine was full on twenty words and going of bending and bowing of alliterative assonance around the dangers of when illiterates alliterate.
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« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2011, 07:44:52 PM »

Uh....


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« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2011, 08:03:13 PM »

Post it or it's not true.
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« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2011, 08:04:18 PM »

Uh....


How now, brown cow?

It had obtuse nous all sorta sooth and loose allusions to Gebre's weak act.
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« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2011, 08:10:17 PM »

Uh....


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It had obtuse nous all sorta sooth and loose allusions to Gebre's weak act.
I've got good nous and bad nous.
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« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2011, 08:12:20 PM »

I understood him. Sometimes the embryo just doesn't implant on the uterine wall, it can happen naturally. It's not been shown by experiment that the MAP causes this or makes it more likely.

The first part of your statement is correct. Sometimes the embryo naturally does not implant on the uterine wall. The second part of your statement is patently false. The birth control pill and the MAP do make it much more likely for the embryo to implant on the uterine wall; in fact, that's part of the designed purpose of these pills.


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« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2011, 08:15:24 PM »

Post it or it's not true.

Sorry senora Liora Is-mi, or Is You senorita?
Post the photos of the wedding night por favora.
Or we're not gonna believe it.
Not of the reception, but rather when you *skips the track*
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« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2011, 08:22:31 PM »

I don't even know what to say.

Actually, I do, and there is a short window to hear it.
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« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2011, 08:25:16 PM »

Post it or it's not true.

Sorry senora Liora Is-mi, or Is You senorita?
Post the photos of the wedding night por favora.
Or we're not gonna believe it.
Not of the reception, but rather when you *skips the track*
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« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2011, 08:27:51 PM »

I understood him. Sometimes the embryo just doesn't implant on the uterine wall, it can happen naturally. It's not been shown by experiment that the MAP causes this or makes it more likely.

The first part of your statement is correct. Sometimes the embryo naturally does not implant on the uterine wall. The second part of your statement is patently false. The birth control pill and the MAP do make it much more likely for the embryo to implant on the uterine wall; in fact, that's part of the designed purpose of these pills.


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I don't that's been proven. The pills are made to stop ovulation.
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« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2011, 08:51:05 PM »

Post it or it's not true.

Sorry senora Liora Is-mi, or Is You senorita?
Post the photos of the wedding night por favora.
Or we're not gonna believe it.
Not of the reception, but rather when you *skips the track*
Gotta hold some of those syllables and rhymes back.
For when I cut my own dub poetry whack.
When it comes to alphabets
I am the alpha and he's the betta, or guppy caught in the nets.


For someone who claims to have rubbed elbows with Ice Cube, your poetic verse is sorely lacking. Just sayin'.   Wink


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« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2011, 10:35:37 PM »

Thank you orthonorm for making this thread great LOL.
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« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2011, 10:38:21 PM »

He has been scolded thoroughly for his insolence.
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