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Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« on: October 07, 2011, 03:13:43 AM »
They say that "He gave God no glory and taught sin".  These people have just become a bad caricature of themselves

http://www.webpronews.com/steve-jobs-funeral-to-be-picketed-by-westboro-church-2011-10


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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2011, 03:20:13 AM »
Every time I hear something of these hate-mongers, I want to punch a wall.  >:(
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 03:29:34 AM »
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 04:51:50 AM »
They say that "He gave God no glory and taught sin".  These people have just become a bad caricature of themselves

http://www.webpronews.com/steve-jobs-funeral-to-be-picketed-by-westboro-church-2011-10


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Why do we even glorify this church by talking about them here?
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 05:05:33 AM »
They say that "He gave God no glory and taught sin".  These people have just become a bad caricature of themselves

http://www.webpronews.com/steve-jobs-funeral-to-be-picketed-by-westboro-church-2011-10


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Why do we even glorify this church by talking about them here?
I agree except for one thing I wouldn't even give them the title of being a "church" at all

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
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I agree except for one thing I wouldn't even give them the title of being a "church" at all


I was thinking that too lol! That, and they don't deserve the honor of calling themselves "christians" either.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 09:19:51 AM »
Sometimes I think they are a creation of intrests hostile to Christianity to perpetuate negative propaganda.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 09:29:57 AM »
Sometimes I think they are a creation of intrests hostile to Christianity to perpetuate negative propaganda.

You might be right! That is about the only thing that makes sense regarding these people.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 10:28:48 AM »
Sometimes I think they are a creation of intrests hostile to Christianity to perpetuate negative propaganda.

You might be right! That is about the only thing that makes sense regarding these people.

This might be unrelated. But why do Atheist have funerals anyway?
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 10:31:35 AM »
To give their families a chance to gather, mourn, talk about their loved one, and see them before they're buried?  ???

I get what you are getting at, but that's like asking why atheists celebrate Christmas. There are reasons outside the meaning of the ceremony that people follow tradition, as incomplete as it is.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 10:53:13 AM »
They say that "He gave God no glory and taught sin".  These people have just become a bad caricature of themselves

http://www.webpronews.com/steve-jobs-funeral-to-be-picketed-by-westboro-church-2011-10


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Why do we even glorify this church by talking about them here?

Do we have to refer to them as a 'church' or even as a 'Christian' group? I think they are neither and the rest of us, Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants alike ought to call it as it is as to allow them the dignity of those terms denigrates all of the rest of us. I know that it would be tough to reach consensus, but shouldn't we try?

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2011, 10:55:16 AM »
I like to think that it's one of the subjects that the Christian community COULD reach a consensus on.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 11:05:35 AM »
I like to think that it's one of the subjects that the Christian community COULD reach a consensus on.

Seeing as how those who promote immoral agendas are capable of at least as much hate as this group which protests various immoral agendas, I am surprised that the group hasn't been attacked or
"eliminated" yet.  It is one small church with perhaps a hundred members, most of whom are members of the same family.  I am certainly *not* advocating any violence towards them, I am only surprised that they have not been violently attacked on account of the horrible slogans they shout out and carry on signs at various events. 

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2011, 11:07:40 AM »
Oh dear Lord. Why don't these silly fruit loops take a day off once in a while?  :P

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2011, 11:25:53 AM »
Lord, have mercy on these people.

This church is an example of what happens when sola scriptura is taken TOO far!!!



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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2011, 11:53:41 AM »
Sometimes I think they are a creation of intrests hostile to Christianity to perpetuate negative propaganda.

I wouldn't go that far, but I do think that the insistence on regularly covering the actions (and people regularly reading the stories) of a tiny, controversial group may factor in with that.  Whatever the intentions, unfortunately it does perpetuate negative propaganda.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2011, 12:09:15 PM »
Lord, have mercy on these people.

This church is an example of what happens when sola scriptura is taken TOO far!!!





Amen.

I'm also glad to see that the article describes them as "fringe" and not evangelical or conservative. 

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2011, 01:48:05 PM »
They say that "He gave God no glory and taught sin".  These people have just become a bad caricature of themselves

http://www.webpronews.com/steve-jobs-funeral-to-be-picketed-by-westboro-church-2011-10


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Why do we even glorify this church by talking about them here?

Do we have to refer to them as a 'church' or even as a 'Christian' group? I think they are neither and the rest of us, Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants alike ought to call it as it is as to allow them the dignity of those terms denigrates all of the rest of us. I know that it would be tough to reach consensus, but shouldn't we try?


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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2011, 03:40:22 PM »
Alright I have tried to make a list. According to this "church" God appearently hates the following:
America, soldiers, catholics/orthodox (they believe we are basically the same), all other protestant churches, jews, gays, hindus, buddhists, atheists, Steve Jobs and Sweden.

Actually I have an idea about what they could do to make it all much more easy.
Just make a sign which says: GOD HATES EVERYONE EXCEPT US!!

They claim that they will be judging the world together with Christ. I guess it is going to be a looooooong judgement day.

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2011, 06:44:12 PM »
Alright I have tried to make a list. According to this "church" God appearently hates the following:
America, soldiers, catholics/orthodox (they believe we are basically the same), all other protestant churches, jews, gays, hindus, buddhists, atheists, Steve Jobs and Sweden.

Actually I have an idea about what they could do to make it all much more easy.
Just make a sign which says: GOD HATES EVERYONE EXCEPT US!!

They claim that they will be judging the world together with Christ. I guess it is going to be a looooooong judgement day.



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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2011, 06:53:28 PM »
Alright I have tried to make a list. According to this "church" God appearently hates the following:
America, soldiers, catholics/orthodox (they believe we are basically the same), all other protestant churches, jews, gays, hindus, buddhists, atheists, Steve Jobs and Sweden.

Actually I have an idea about what they could do to make it all much more easy.
Just make a sign which says: GOD HATES EVERYONE EXCEPT US!!

They claim that they will be judging the world together with Christ. I guess it is going to be a looooooong judgement day.



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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2011, 07:10:21 PM »
Now, I am not saying that I approve of everything that the people of Brandon, MS, did to the members of Westboro, but I do think that some of you may find it interesting. 

This link takes you to an article that details what happened in a small Mississippi town when members of Westboro tried to picket a local soldier's funeral.

http://thehayride.com/2011/04/westboro-baptist-church-goes-to-mississippi-and-loses/

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2011, 07:40:39 PM »
^Well, those who live by the sword shouldn't expect to come up against butter knives. People being people, and all that.   :angel:
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2011, 07:47:56 PM »
^Well, those who live by the sword shouldn't expect to come up against butter knives. People being people, and all that.   :angel:

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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2011, 07:51:31 PM »
^Well, those who live by the sword shouldn't expect to come up against butter knives. People being people, and all that.   :angel:

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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2011, 08:02:40 PM »
^ :laugh: I'm flattered!
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2011, 08:23:55 PM »
I'm not saying this town was wrong... and I abhor what Westboro stands for.  But, what if this was the NAACP in the 60's instead of Westboro?  Would we condone what the police dept. did?

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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2011, 08:39:32 PM »
Yes, Princess Mommy, I understand where you're coming from, and it does smack of good ole boy southern sensibility, but some of the things made me laugh.

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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2011, 08:45:21 PM »
I'm not condoning it; just saying it's to be expected.

As most people here are aware, I'm a conflicted pacifist. But whatever my views on warfare or our countries' involvement in the Middle East, if I were attending a soldier's funeral (even if I disagreed with that soldier's decision to be in the military in the first place), and these folk turned up with the venom that they spew, they should expect a slap around the head; at least verbally. Sorry if that offends, but it's the truth.
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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2011, 08:47:28 PM »
I'm not saying this town was wrong... and I abhor what Westboro stands for.  But, what if this was the NAACP in the 60's instead of Westboro?  Would we condone what the police dept. did?

Ahem. There's just a slight difference between black Americans campaigning for civil rights, and a renegade, extremist "religious" group bent on inflicting mayhem on folks going about their business - in many cases, sacred observances. If you can't see the hypocrisy in Westboro's modus operandi ....
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« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2011, 09:20:58 PM »
I'm not saying this town was wrong... and I abhor what Westboro stands for.  But, what if this was the NAACP in the 60's instead of Westboro?  Would we condone what the police dept. did?

Ahem. There's just a slight difference between black Americans campaigning for civil rights, and a renegade, extremist "religious" group bent on inflicting mayhem on folks going about their business - in many cases, sacred observances. If you can't see the hypocrisy in Westboro's modus operandi ....

I'm not saying their method or messages were similar... what I'm asking is; don't they have the right to free speech - even when it is offensive?  Yes, they are spewing hatred, but is only sweetness and light allowed to have free speech in America?   I bet there were plenty of whites who thought the NAACP was offensive back in the day.   

Many people today say Christians are offensive and spewing homophobic hatred because of our stance on homosexuality.


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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2011, 09:49:19 PM »
The guys from English Top Gear found their freedom of speech getting an ugly response in Alabama!  :laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLDB215A78A5234DF5


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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2011, 10:01:08 PM »
I'm not saying this town was wrong... and I abhor what Westboro stands for.  But, what if this was the NAACP in the 60's instead of Westboro?  Would we condone what the police dept. did?

Ahem. There's just a slight difference between black Americans campaigning for civil rights, and a renegade, extremist "religious" group bent on inflicting mayhem on folks going about their business - in many cases, sacred observances. If you can't see the hypocrisy in Westboro's modus operandi ....

I'm not saying their method or messages were similar... what I'm asking is; don't they have the right to free speech - even when it is offensive?  Yes, they are spewing hatred, but is only sweetness and light allowed to have free speech in America?   I bet there were plenty of whites who thought the NAACP was offensive back in the day.   

Many people today say Christians are offensive and spewing homophobic hatred because of our stance on homosexuality.



Although I hate their message, I would certainly support their right to free speech.  It could get dangerous if the govt stepped in and told people what they can and cant say.  Thats a slippery slope that could eventually effect what we are allowed to say about our faith.  Its a long shot, and it may or may not happen, but I prefer to just keep our first amendment rights the way they are.  I wish other people in the world had the same right too... 
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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2011, 10:03:24 PM »
these guys are really pathetic... >:(

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« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2011, 10:13:57 PM »
these guys are really pathetic... >:(

Indeed. A really, really stupid thing to do. Stupid and dangerous. And the reaction, while appalling is understandable. In reality "freedom of speech" doesn't cover what is purposefully offensive, does it? The Westboro people know that and now the guys from Top Gear know it, too.  ;)
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« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2011, 10:18:45 PM »
The guys from English Top Gear found their freedom of speech getting an ugly response in Alabama!  :laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLDB215A78A5234DF5

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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2011, 10:32:49 PM »
The guys from English Top Gear found their freedom of speech getting an ugly response in Alabama!  :laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLDB215A78A5234DF5

Hilarious. Hot pink. Yes!   :D

Yeah, I was torn between hysterics and horror when I saw the episode!
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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2011, 11:54:50 PM »
Every time I hear something of these hate-mongers, I want to punch a wall.  >:(

Every time I hear something of these hate-mongers, I … somehow don't care. :P

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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2011, 12:10:01 AM »
Every time I hear something of these hate-mongers, I want to punch a wall.  >:(

Every time I hear something of these hate-mongers, I … somehow don't care. :P

How terribly placid of you.  :angel: Not being half as sainted, I hate to see Christ's name linked with bigots and hate-mongers and can't help but sense some degree of irritation. Fortunately, it is not so out of control so that any of my walls are in need or repair, or I haven't broken my hand.  ;D I guess that in some small way I'm winning against my horrendous passions.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2011, 12:15:40 AM »
The guys from English Top Gear found their freedom of speech getting an ugly response in Alabama!  :laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLDB215A78A5234DF5

Oooooh, yes! Remember that episode very well!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Goes to show that some folks' idea of free speech often don't extend to humor or satire. Some notion of "free speech" ....

And what the Westboro folks are doing ain't humorous nor satirical. Think about it.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2011, 12:24:08 AM »
The guys from English Top Gear found their freedom of speech getting an ugly response in Alabama!  :laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLDB215A78A5234DF5

Oooooh, yes! Remember that episode very well!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Goes to show that some folks' idea of free speech often don't extend to humor or satire. Some notion of "free speech" ....

And what the Westboro folks are doing ain't humorous nor satirical. Think about it.

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2011, 01:05:37 PM »
From the flak I am getting for saying it is a violation of the US Flag Code to fly the US Flag half staff in honor of Mr. Jobs it appears that the computer geeks of the world and MAC addicts are ready to canonize him a saint!!!  One response almost accused me of blasphemy.  Excuse me for this deviation from Westboro.

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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2011, 02:07:01 PM »
What do you expect the company of which he was the co-founder to do? Hold your horses.  ::)

Flag lowerings are not always associated with the military. Where I live, we've had them for the deaths of police officers.

Apple headquarters is not a military installation. Nobody's life was endangered by what they did.

You just want to sound holier than the people who liked him. Well, a lot of people liked him. You don't have to, but it's no skin off your nose to just leave people alone. It's a free country and people are going to do what they want.

Let's see you invent something.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2011, 09:37:23 PM »
From the flak I am getting for saying it is a violation of the US Flag Code to fly the US Flag half staff in honor of Mr. Jobs it appears that the computer geeks of the world and MAC addicts are ready to canonize him a saint!!!  One response almost accused me of blasphemy.  Excuse me for this deviation from Westboro.

I agree with you. It's a slippery slope once you start violating the US Flag Code. The next thing you know it'll be half mast for Donald Trump or Terry Jones and who knows next.
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Re: Steve Jobs Funeral To Be Picketed By Westboro Church
« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2011, 12:40:58 PM »
"The Flag Code is a codification of customs and rules established for the use of certain civilians and civilian groups. No penalty or punishment is specified in the Flag Code for display of the flag of the United States in a manner other than as suggested. Cases which have construed the former 36 U.S.C. § 17521 have concluded that the Flag Code does not proscribe conduct, but is merely declaratory and advisory."

So go ahead and lower your flags to half staff on your own property.