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Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« on: October 06, 2011, 04:52:01 PM »
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Traversing India sparked Jobs' conversion to Buddhism. Kobun Chino, a monk, presided over his wedding to Laurene Powell, a Stanford University MBA.
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"I believe life is an intelligent thing, that things aren't random," Jobs said in a 1997 interview with Time, providing a glimpse into his complicated belief system that extends well beyond the Buddhist teachings.
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"That's been one of my mantras: focus and simplicity," Jobs told Businessweek in 1998. "Simple can be harder than complex: You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it's worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains."
He elaborated in the interview with the publication six years later: "It comes from saying no to 1,000 things to make sure we don't get on the wrong track or try to do too much. We're always thinking about new markets we could enter, but it's only by saying no that you can concentrate on the things that are really important."
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 08:37:29 PM »
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Traversing India sparked Jobs' conversion to Buddhism. Kobun Chino, a monk, presided over his wedding to Laurene Powell, a Stanford University MBA.
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"I believe life is an intelligent thing, that things aren't random," Jobs said in a 1997 interview with Time, providing a glimpse into his complicated belief system that extends well beyond the Buddhist teachings.
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"That's been one of my mantras: focus and simplicity," Jobs told Businessweek in 1998. "Simple can be harder than complex: You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it's worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains."
He elaborated in the interview with the publication six years later: "It comes from saying no to 1,000 things to make sure we don't get on the wrong track or try to do too much. We're always thinking about new markets we could enter, but it's only by saying no that you can concentrate on the things that are really important."

This is just what I have heard.

Apple computer got their name and logo from the forbidden fruit story in Genesis.   The bite signifies the original sin.   The bite that would give the enlightened knowledge (gnosis) to know of good and evil and everything that is from God.

Also some of the original Apple computers were purposely sold for $666 dollars.

Google it, like I said, I'm not basting this in fact, nor do I know the full spirituality of both of the co-founders to Apple.

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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 08:44:19 PM »
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Traversing India sparked Jobs' conversion to Buddhism. Kobun Chino, a monk, presided over his wedding to Laurene Powell, a Stanford University MBA.
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"I believe life is an intelligent thing, that things aren't random," Jobs said in a 1997 interview with Time, providing a glimpse into his complicated belief system that extends well beyond the Buddhist teachings.
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"That's been one of my mantras: focus and simplicity," Jobs told Businessweek in 1998. "Simple can be harder than complex: You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it's worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains."
He elaborated in the interview with the publication six years later: "It comes from saying no to 1,000 things to make sure we don't get on the wrong track or try to do too much. We're always thinking about new markets we could enter, but it's only by saying no that you can concentrate on the things that are really important."

This is just what I have heard.

Apple computer got their name and logo from the forbidden fruit story in Genesis.   The bite signifies the original sin.   The bite that would give the enlightened knowledge (gnosis) to know of good and evil and everything that is from God.

Also some of the original Apple computers were purposely sold for $666 dollars.
So you just repeat whatever potentially slanderous tidbits you hear without verifying their factuality?

Google it, like I said, I'm not basting this in fact, nor do I know the full spirituality of both of the co-founders to Apple.
Why don't you Google it and come back to us with credible sources?
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2011, 09:42:11 PM »
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Traversing India sparked Jobs' conversion to Buddhism. Kobun Chino, a monk, presided over his wedding to Laurene Powell, a Stanford University MBA.
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"I believe life is an intelligent thing, that things aren't random," Jobs said in a 1997 interview with Time, providing a glimpse into his complicated belief system that extends well beyond the Buddhist teachings.
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"That's been one of my mantras: focus and simplicity," Jobs told Businessweek in 1998. "Simple can be harder than complex: You have to work hard to get your thinking clean to make it simple. But it's worth it in the end because once you get there, you can move mountains."
He elaborated in the interview with the publication six years later: "It comes from saying no to 1,000 things to make sure we don't get on the wrong track or try to do too much. We're always thinking about new markets we could enter, but it's only by saying no that you can concentrate on the things that are really important."

This is just what I have heard.

Apple computer got their name and logo from the forbidden fruit story in Genesis.   The bite signifies the original sin.   The bite that would give the enlightened knowledge (gnosis) to know of good and evil and everything that is from God.

Also some of the original Apple computers were purposely sold for $666 dollars.

Google it, like I said, I'm not basting this in fact, nor do I know the full spirituality of both of the co-founders to Apple.



 ??? Lord, have mercy.
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2011, 10:50:11 PM »
Apple computer got their name and logo from the forbidden fruit story in Genesis.   The bite signifies the original sin.   The bite that would give the enlightened knowledge (gnosis) to know of good and evil and everything that is from God.

The co-founder of Apple, Steve Wozniak, says you're wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFdX29mVrxA

It was suggested by a friend of Steve Jobs and they could not think of a better name.

Also some of the original Apple computers were purposely sold for $666 dollars.

Wozniak also says you're wrong on that too: http://news.cnet.com/1606-2-5937610.html?tag=nl.e433

It was a markup of 1/3 from the production cost of $500. That works out to $666.66. Wozniak claims they did not even know "666" had religious significance at the time they set the price.

I'm not basting this in fact, nor do I know the full spirituality of both of the co-founders to Apple.

Clearly.

As to the OP, I do not know that Jobs even had much or any exposure to Christ in his life. I don't know that many people really know what his beliefs were. But we can pray that Christ has mercy on him, and given the glimpses of his morality and perhaps repentance, maybe he will even find Christ's law was written on his heart all along. We can hope.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 10:59:20 PM »
Apple computer got their name and logo from the forbidden fruit story in Genesis.   The bite signifies the original sin.   The bite that would give the enlightened knowledge (gnosis) to know of good and evil and everything that is from God.

The co-founder of Apple, Steve Wozniak, says you're wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFdX29mVrxA

It was suggested by a friend of Steve Jobs and they could not think of a better name.

Also some of the original Apple computers were purposely sold for $666 dollars.

Wozniak also says you're wrong on that too: http://news.cnet.com/1606-2-5937610.html?tag=nl.e433

It was a markup of 1/3 from the production cost of $500. That works out to $666.66. Wozniak claims they did not even know "666" had religious significance at the time they set the price.

How refreshing to hear of someone who has no concept that 666 is the big bad number. It's been shamefully done to death.

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I'm not basting this in fact, nor do I know the full spirituality of both of the co-founders to Apple.

Clearly.

As to the OP, I do not know that Jobs even had much or any exposure to Christ in his life. I don't know that many people really know what his beliefs were. But we can pray that Christ has mercy on him, and given the glimpses of his morality and perhaps repentance, maybe he will even find Christ's law was written on his heart all along. We can hope.

Indeed, we must hope. Internet judging does no one any good. As I said before. Lord, have mercy.
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2011, 11:58:04 PM »
What comes to mind is: "You have taken all good things in  this life and Lazarus the bad. Now he is comforted, and you are tormented."

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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 04:48:25 AM »
What comes to mind is: "You have taken all good things in  this life and Lazarus the bad. Now he is comforted, and you are tormented."
Do you think, then, that Steve Jobs is in hell?
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 02:28:28 PM »
What comes to mind is: "You have taken all good things in  this life and Lazarus the bad. Now he is comforted, and you are tormented."
Do you think, then, that Steve Jobs is in hell?
Well, judging by his wikipedia entry (which is by no way authoriatative) he was Bhuddist so........

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 02:38:41 PM »
Well, judging by his Wikipedia entry (which is by no means authoritative) he was Buddhist so...

That doesn't tell us anything about the state of his soul.

He's trying to get through the toll-houses right now, so offer up some prayers for him.

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 02:43:29 PM »
Well, judging by his Wikipedia entry (which is by no means authoritative) he was Buddhist so...

That doesn't tell us anything about the state of his soul.

Agreed. However...

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He's trying to get through the toll-houses right now

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so offer up some prayers for him.

There's also an app for that.

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2011, 02:46:10 PM »
Why doesn't the forum make this big a deal about it when anyone else dies? Is it more important that Jobs get into heaven then Billy Mays?

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 02:47:31 PM »
Well, judging by his Wikipedia entry (which is by no means authoritative) he was Buddhist so...

That doesn't tell us anything about the state of his soul.

Agreed. However...

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He's trying to get through the toll-houses right now

There's an app for that.

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so offer up some prayers for him.

There's also an app for that.
Let's hope God isn't a Microsoft fan.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2011, 02:48:42 PM »
Why doesn't the forum make this big a deal about it when anyone else dies?

It's human nature.

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2011, 02:50:06 PM »
Why doesn't the forum make this big a deal about it when anyone else dies?

Because I'm using an iMac to surf this forum right now.

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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2011, 02:51:17 PM »
Well, judging by his Wikipedia entry (which is by no means authoritative) he was Buddhist so...

That doesn't tell us anything about the state of his soul.

Agreed. However...

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He's trying to get through the toll-houses right now

There's an app for that.

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so offer up some prayers for him.

There's also an app for that.
Let's hope God isn't a Microsoft fan.

Clearly Microsoft got help from someone--whether God or Satan I will leave for you to decide  :angel:

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2011, 02:56:39 PM »
Why doesn't the forum make this big a deal about it when anyone else dies?

It's human nature.
It's human nature to not make a big deal about people other than Jobs?

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2011, 02:56:52 PM »
Let's hope God isn't a Microsoft fan.

Actually, you can use Windows as your operating system on an Macintosh computer, so that's really the same as with any other computer, since Microsoft only makes software, not hardware. Never mind the fact that Macs actually give a better performance with Windows than any other hardware manufacturer.

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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2011, 02:57:05 PM »
Well, judging by his Wikipedia entry (which is by no means authoritative) he was Buddhist so...

That doesn't tell us anything about the state of his soul.

Agreed. However...

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He's trying to get through the toll-houses right now

There's an app for that.

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so offer up some prayers for him.

There's also an app for that.
Let's hope God isn't a Microsoft fan.

Clearly Microsoft got help from someone--whether God or Satan I will leave for you to decide  :angel:
Xerox. Just like Apple.

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2011, 02:58:24 PM »
Let's hope God isn't a Microsoft fan.

Actually, you can use Windows as your operating system on an Macintosh computer, so that's really the same as with any other computer, since Microsoft only makes software, not hardware. Never mind the fact that Macs actually give a better performance with Windows than any other hardware manufacturer.
Do you have a source that with the same hardware configuration Macs provide a better performance on Windows?

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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2011, 03:03:33 PM »
The top 0.001% of this country's population will go to hell; as for the rest, I don't know. But seriously, the guy was just a filthy capitalist exploiter. The Buddhist trappings only make the whole thing more disgusting and at the same time, comical, but in a dark, surrealist way.
So yeah, may God forgive him.

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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2011, 03:05:10 PM »
Why doesn't the forum make this big a deal about it when anyone else dies?

It's human nature.
It's human nature to not make a big deal about people other than Jobs?

It's human nature to make a bigger deal about people who have attained some kind of celebrity status. Or put another way, the reason they have celebrity status is beacuse at least some people have taken a special interest in them, so why would you expect their death to not get more attention than the death of Joe Schmoe from Podunk? Joe Schmoe will get special attention as well, from his family and friends. And if Joe Schmoe was known on a discussion forum then he will probably get special attention there as well. If we don't have a clue who Joe Schmoe was, and if there's nothing atypical or inspiring/horrifying about his death, then he isn't likely to get as much attention.

Human nature.

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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2011, 03:10:17 PM »
Well, judging by his Wikipedia entry (which is by no means authoritative) he was Buddhist so...

That doesn't tell us anything about the state of his soul.

He's trying to get through the toll-houses right now, so offer up some prayers for him.
"I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me". Sorry. I think Jobs has a big problem right about now. But I sincerely hope he is with the Lord and Im wrong.

The top 0.001% of this country's population will go to hell; as for the rest, I don't know. But seriously, the guy was just a filthy capitalist exploiter. The Buddhist trappings only make the whole thing more disgusting and at the same time, comical, but in a dark, surrealist way.
So yeah, may God forgive him.
And you'll compare your sins to his?

Well, judging by his Wikipedia entry (which is by no means authoritative) he was Buddhist so...

That doesn't tell us anything about the state of his soul.

Agreed. However...

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He's trying to get through the toll-houses right now

There's an app for that.

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so offer up some prayers for him.
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There's also an app for that.
Let's hope God isn't a Microsoft fan.

Duh! God uses Linux!


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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2011, 03:17:58 PM »
"I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me". Sorry. I think Jobs has a big problem right about now. But I sincerely hope he is with the Lord and Im wrong.

There is a lot to learn about salvation. Hopefully you have a good catechist.

When a Buddhist is saved, he comes to the Father through Jesus Christ, and only through Jesus Christ.

Same goes for bourgeois hobby Buddhists.
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2011, 05:25:26 PM »
this thread eerily reminds me of a Baptist sermon..

Maybe I should read one of those treks from Jonathon Edwards, where everybody was shaking in their boots.  :D
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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2011, 05:57:38 PM »
Im not trying to sound like a baptist preacher or anything, but the guy was a Buddhist, espoused Buddhist (whether cliche' or not) beliefs, which deny Christ. I dont care how popular or well like the guy was. To me, trying to legitimize his way to God is a fool's errand. If he held to these beliefs until his unfortunate demise, then it is my personal belief that he is separated from God. To me, it dosen't matter if the guy thought Jesus was ok, or "a good moral teacher" or that other drivel. Im sorry if it sounds like Im pontificating, Im really not trying to. This is just my belief on this matter.

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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2011, 06:38:53 PM »
"I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me". Sorry. I think Jobs has a big problem right about now. But I sincerely hope he is with the Lord and Im wrong.

There is a lot to learn about salvation. Hopefully you have a good catechist.

When a Buddhist is saved, he comes to the Father through Jesus Christ, and only through Jesus Christ.

Same goes for bourgeois hobby Buddhists.

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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2011, 07:05:49 PM »
The top 0.001% of this country's population will go to hell; as for the rest, I don't know. But seriously, the guy was just a filthy capitalist exploiter. The Buddhist trappings only make the whole thing more disgusting and at the same time, comical, but in a dark, surrealist way.
So yeah, may God forgive him.
I don't know. I think the rich have a better chance of entering the kingdom of heaven than those who envy them.
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2011, 07:11:55 PM »
Im not trying to sound like a baptist preacher or anything, but the guy was a Buddhist, espoused Buddhist (whether cliche' or not) beliefs, which deny Christ. I dont care how popular or well like the guy was. To me, trying to legitimize his way to God is a fool's errand. If he held to these beliefs until his unfortunate demise, then it is my personal belief that he is separated from God. To me, it dosen't matter if the guy thought Jesus was ok, or "a good moral teacher" or that other drivel. Im sorry if it sounds like Im pontificating, Im really not trying to. This is just my belief on this matter.

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So, do you have the mind of God that you know all things, to include the state of Steve Jobs's soul? We know only what God has revealed to us. We know that He has revealed to us that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, but we cannot say that He has revealed to us whether or not Steve Jobs somehow had a saving knowledge of Him.
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2011, 07:12:49 PM »
"I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me". Sorry. I think Jobs has a big problem right about now. But I sincerely hope he is with the Lord and Im wrong.

There is a lot to learn about salvation. Hopefully you have a good catechist.

When a Buddhist is saved, he comes to the Father through Jesus Christ, and only through Jesus Christ.

Same goes for bourgeois hobby Buddhists.

We need a thumbs up icon! Well said, Alveus.

Two thumbs up.  As a catechumen, please correct me if I am wrong but...it is impossible for us to know the Jesus Christ who was presented to Mr. Jobs while he walked on this earth.  A person is wise to walk away from the so-called Christ who is presented by many who claim Christianity because that is not at all the Lord Jesus Christ whom you or I serve.  We simply cannot know this and would also be wise to stay very clear from any sort of judgement.  That is for God because He, alone, knows the answer and will judge rightly. God is written upon the hearts of all of humanity and many, when they encounter Him upon their physical repose, may recognize that they have served Him throughout their lifetime and, yet, never walked through the doors of the Church.  Likewise, there will be many who have attended Liturgies all of their lives (or even did miracles) who will not recognize our Savior when they lay eyes upon Him.  This is a clear teaching/warning of Christ in the Holy Scriptures. We should only pray for God's mercy to be upon Steve Jobs, and upon each and every one of us...and leave it at that.  

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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2011, 07:25:41 PM »
For the record, not all Buddhists are atheists. Some believe Jesus was an emanation of Kannon, the bodhisattva of compassion. Now, that is clearly different from the Christian faith, but it's not atheistic per se. Remember that Buddhism was an offshoot of Hinduism.
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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2011, 07:26:52 PM »
The top 0.001% of this country's population will go to hell; as for the rest, I don't know. But seriously, the guy was just a filthy capitalist exploiter. The Buddhist trappings only make the whole thing more disgusting and at the same time, comical, but in a dark, surrealist way.
So yeah, may God forgive him.
I don't know. I think the rich have a better chance of entering the kingdom of heaven than those who envy them.
I'm among those who utterly despise them. No fantasizing about becoming one.

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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2011, 07:29:24 PM »
The top 0.001% of this country's population will go to hell; as for the rest, I don't know. But seriously, the guy was just a filthy capitalist exploiter. The Buddhist trappings only make the whole thing more disgusting and at the same time, comical, but in a dark, surrealist way.
So yeah, may God forgive him.
I don't know. I think the rich have a better chance of entering the kingdom of heaven than those who envy them.
I'm among those who utterly despise them. No fantasizing about becoming one.
And I think those who envy the rich have a better chance of entering the kingdom of heaven than those who utterly despise the rich.
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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2011, 07:31:40 PM »
Are you a lackey of theirs? Your masters must be benevolent and magnanimous to have earned your devotion like this.

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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2011, 07:32:42 PM »
Are you a lackey of theirs? Your masters must be benevolent and magnanimous to have earned your devotion like this.

 ::) Oh please.
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2011, 07:35:00 PM »
"I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by me". Sorry. I think Jobs has a big problem right about now. But I sincerely hope he is with the Lord and Im wrong.

There is a lot to learn about salvation. Hopefully you have a good catechist.

When a Buddhist is saved, he comes to the Father through Jesus Christ, and only through Jesus Christ.

Same goes for bourgeois hobby Buddhists.

We need a thumbs up icon! Well said, Alveus.

Two thumbs up.  As a catechumen, please correct me if I am wrong but...it is impossible for us to know the Jesus Christ who was presented to Mr. Jobs while he walked on this earth.  A person is wise to walk away from the so-called Christ who is presented by many who claim Christianity because that is not at all the Lord Jesus Christ whom you or I serve.  We simply cannot know this and would also be wise to stay very clear from any sort of judgement.  That is for God because He, alone, knows the answer and will judge rightly. God is written upon the hearts of all of humanity and many, when they encounter Him upon their physical repose, may recognize that they have served Him throughout their lifetime and, yet, never walked through the doors of the Church.  Likewise, there will be many who have attended Liturgies all of their lives (or even did miracles) who will not recognize our Savior when they lay eyes upon Him.  This is a clear teaching/warning of Christ in the Holy Scriptures. We should only pray for God's mercy to be upon Steve Jobs, and upon each and every one of us...and leave it at that.  

In other words, you know what happens when you assume...  

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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2011, 07:36:16 PM »
Are you a lackey of theirs? Your masters must be benevolent and magnanimous to have earned your devotion like this.

 ::) Oh please.

^ A better response, I cannot think of.  :laugh:
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2011, 07:51:45 PM »
Im not trying to sound like a baptist preacher or anything, but the guy was a Buddhist, espoused Buddhist (whether cliche' or not) beliefs, which deny Christ. I dont care how popular or well like the guy was. To me, trying to legitimize his way to God is a fool's errand. If he held to these beliefs until his unfortunate demise, then it is my personal belief that he is separated from God. To me, it dosen't matter if the guy thought Jesus was ok, or "a good moral teacher" or that other drivel. Im sorry if it sounds like Im pontificating, Im really not trying to. This is just my belief on this matter.

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So, do you have the mind of God that you know all things, to include the state of Steve Jobs's soul? We know only what God has revealed to us. We know that He has revealed to us that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, but we cannot say that He has revealed to us whether or not Steve Jobs somehow had a saving knowledge of Him.
As I said above, this is my opinion. I dont claim anything. It is simply my thought on the matter, nothing more. No God mind, no pontificating, no anything to build on. My opinion. Thats all.

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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2011, 07:53:33 PM »
The top 0.001% of this country's population will go to hell; as for the rest, I don't know. But seriously, the guy was just a filthy capitalist exploiter. The Buddhist trappings only make the whole thing more disgusting and at the same time, comical, but in a dark, surrealist way.
So yeah, may God forgive him.
I don't know. I think the rich have a better chance of entering the kingdom of heaven than those who envy them.
I'm among those who utterly despise them. No fantasizing about becoming one.

Im sure you'll think differently when publisher's Clearing house shows up at your door.

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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2011, 07:53:53 PM »
Im not trying to sound like a baptist preacher or anything, but the guy was a Buddhist, espoused Buddhist (whether cliche' or not) beliefs, which deny Christ. I dont care how popular or well like the guy was. To me, trying to legitimize his way to God is a fool's errand. If he held to these beliefs until his unfortunate demise, then it is my personal belief that he is separated from God. To me, it dosen't matter if the guy thought Jesus was ok, or "a good moral teacher" or that other drivel. Im sorry if it sounds like Im pontificating, Im really not trying to. This is just my belief on this matter.

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So, do you have the mind of God that you know all things, to include the state of Steve Jobs's soul? We know only what God has revealed to us. We know that He has revealed to us that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, but we cannot say that He has revealed to us whether or not Steve Jobs somehow had a saving knowledge of Him.
As I said above, this is my opinion. I dont claim anything. It is simply my thought on the matter, nothing more. No God mind, no pontificating, no anything to build on. My opinion. Thats all.

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Well, you know what they say about opinions? ;)
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2011, 07:55:58 PM »
Im not trying to sound like a baptist preacher or anything, but the guy was a Buddhist, espoused Buddhist (whether cliche' or not) beliefs, which deny Christ. I dont care how popular or well like the guy was. To me, trying to legitimize his way to God is a fool's errand. If he held to these beliefs until his unfortunate demise, then it is my personal belief that he is separated from God. To me, it dosen't matter if the guy thought Jesus was ok, or "a good moral teacher" or that other drivel. Im sorry if it sounds like Im pontificating, Im really not trying to. This is just my belief on this matter.

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So, do you have the mind of God that you know all things, to include the state of Steve Jobs's soul? We know only what God has revealed to us. We know that He has revealed to us that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, but we cannot say that He has revealed to us whether or not Steve Jobs somehow had a saving knowledge of Him.
As I said above, this is my opinion. I dont claim anything. It is simply my thought on the matter, nothing more. No God mind, no pontificating, no anything to build on. My opinion. Thats all.

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Well, you know what they say about opinions? ;)
In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane?


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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2011, 07:57:30 PM »
Im not trying to sound like a baptist preacher or anything, but the guy was a Buddhist, espoused Buddhist (whether cliche' or not) beliefs, which deny Christ. I dont care how popular or well like the guy was. To me, trying to legitimize his way to God is a fool's errand. If he held to these beliefs until his unfortunate demise, then it is my personal belief that he is separated from God. To me, it dosen't matter if the guy thought Jesus was ok, or "a good moral teacher" or that other drivel. Im sorry if it sounds like Im pontificating, Im really not trying to. This is just my belief on this matter.

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So, do you have the mind of God that you know all things, to include the state of Steve Jobs's soul? We know only what God has revealed to us. We know that He has revealed to us that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, but we cannot say that He has revealed to us whether or not Steve Jobs somehow had a saving knowledge of Him.
As I said above, this is my opinion. I dont claim anything. It is simply my thought on the matter, nothing more. No God mind, no pontificating, no anything to build on. My opinion. Thats all.

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Well, you know what they say about opinions? ;)
In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane?
Good guess, but no. What I was thinking is this: Opinions are like anuses. Everyone's got one, and they're all full of feces. ;D
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« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2011, 08:00:36 PM »
Im not trying to sound like a baptist preacher or anything, but the guy was a Buddhist, espoused Buddhist (whether cliche' or not) beliefs, which deny Christ. I dont care how popular or well like the guy was. To me, trying to legitimize his way to God is a fool's errand. If he held to these beliefs until his unfortunate demise, then it is my personal belief that he is separated from God. To me, it dosen't matter if the guy thought Jesus was ok, or "a good moral teacher" or that other drivel. Im sorry if it sounds like Im pontificating, Im really not trying to. This is just my belief on this matter.

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So, do you have the mind of God that you know all things, to include the state of Steve Jobs's soul? We know only what God has revealed to us. We know that He has revealed to us that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, but we cannot say that He has revealed to us whether or not Steve Jobs somehow had a saving knowledge of Him.
As I said above, this is my opinion. I dont claim anything. It is simply my thought on the matter, nothing more. No God mind, no pontificating, no anything to build on. My opinion. Thats all.

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Well, you know what they say about opinions? ;)
In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane?
Good guess, but no. What I was thinking is this: Opinions are like anuses. Everyone's got one, and they're all full of feces. ;D
Or other things, but that costs money.....


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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2011, 09:03:28 PM »
Im not trying to sound like a baptist preacher or anything, but the guy was a Buddhist, espoused Buddhist (whether cliche' or not) beliefs, which deny Christ. I dont care how popular or well like the guy was. To me, trying to legitimize his way to God is a fool's errand. If he held to these beliefs until his unfortunate demise, then it is my personal belief that he is separated from God. To me, it dosen't matter if the guy thought Jesus was ok, or "a good moral teacher" or that other drivel. Im sorry if it sounds like Im pontificating, Im really not trying to. This is just my belief on this matter.

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So, do you have the mind of God that you know all things, to include the state of Steve Jobs's soul? We know only what God has revealed to us. We know that He has revealed to us that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, but we cannot say that He has revealed to us whether or not Steve Jobs somehow had a saving knowledge of Him.
As I said above, this is my opinion. I dont claim anything. It is simply my thought on the matter, nothing more. No God mind, no pontificating, no anything to build on. My opinion. Thats all.

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Well, you know what they say about opinions? ;)
In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane?
Good guess, but no. What I was thinking is this: Opinions are like anuses. Everyone's got one, and they're all full of feces. ;D
Or other things, but that costs money.....


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you can also get it for free, but the free ones come with nasty things, like ciphilis

better to pay and be safe, plus the paid ones give you more sasitifaction

then again, if your cheap, just use a hairbrush
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Re: Steve Jobs' Spirituality
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2011, 09:16:26 PM »
Why don't we recess over the weekend? Things are getting a wee bit out of hand. I'll unlock the topic on Monday. Have a blessed weekend. Second Chance