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Funeral Question
« on: October 06, 2011, 04:50:30 PM »
I don't know why I am thinking about death but I would like to know the answer to this question. 

If I convert to Orthodoxy would I be eligible for a Orthodox Funeral if my husband does not convert?

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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 04:52:02 PM »
The status of your spouse doesn't really have any bearing on what you're "eligible" for.
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 04:53:44 PM »

Yes, you would be....with all the bells and whistles.

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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2011, 04:57:49 PM »
I don't know why I am thinking about death but I would like to know the answer to this question. 

If I convert to Orthodoxy would I be eligible for a Orthodox Funeral if my husband does not convert?

Thanks!

Yes.

And Orthodox funerals are the most beautiful I've ever attended.
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2011, 05:24:58 PM »
This is why I asked the question.

http://www.stgeorgegoc.org/PastorsCornerFunerals.htm

Eligibility for Orthodox Funeral
Any person baptized in the Orthodox Church is entitled to a funeral service, with some exceptions. Individuals who are in severe violation of canon law including marriage outside of the Orthodox Church, cremation, suicide, and other circumstances are denied a funeral service in the Church. In some cases prayers, but not a full service, may be said at another location. The Diocesan Bishop will use discretion in deciding cases where mercy should be shown. In the case of a non-Orthodox person who is not connected to any other faith community/tradition, the priest can conduct a prayer service at a funeral home or some other venue to express the love and care of the church community. If you have any questions, please consult the priest to ensure that you are canonically in good standing with the Orthodox Church.


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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 05:26:15 PM »
That's for those who get married outside of the Church after they become a member of it.
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2011, 05:29:01 PM »
If you are already married before your conversion to Orthodoxy, this doesn't apply.
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2011, 05:34:06 PM »
Eligibility does ring wrong there though . . . Wow.

As does entitled.

As does, I am going to stop.
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2011, 05:40:28 PM »
You qualify for a pre-approved funeral!
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2011, 05:41:35 PM »
jmk1988,

That's for those who get married outside of the Church after they become a member of it.

If you are already married before your conversion to Orthodoxy, this doesn't apply.

Precisely.  If you become Orthodox and your spouse does not, then you can still receive an Orthodox funeral/burial (spouse cannot, however).
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 05:43:05 PM »
Eligibility does ring wrong there though . . . Wow.

It worked better for the second part of the above-referenced page:

Funerals only for those who have accumulated 10,000+ worship points, 5 or more years of consecutive attendance in the parish, and who have waived their no-trade clause. ;)
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 05:58:39 PM »
Eligibility does ring wrong there though . . . Wow.

It worked better for the second part of the above-referenced page:

Funerals only for those who have accumulated 10,000+ worship points, 5 or more years of consecutive attendance in the parish, and who have waived their no-trade clause. ;)
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2011, 06:04:33 PM »

Yes, you would be....with all the bells and whistles.


There's bells and whistles at an Orthodox funeral?  :o

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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2011, 06:13:02 PM »

Yes, you would be....with all the bells and whistles.


There's bells and whistles at an Orthodox funeral?  :o

 :)

Not sure about whistles, but there are definitely bells: on the priest's censer, and sometimes the church bells might be rung.  :)
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2011, 06:14:08 PM »
This is why I asked the question.

http://www.stgeorgegoc.org/PastorsCornerFunerals.htm

Eligibility for Orthodox Funeral
Any person baptized in the Orthodox Church is entitled to a funeral service, with some exceptions. Individuals who are in severe violation of canon law including marriage outside of the Orthodox Church, cremation, suicide, and other circumstances are denied a funeral service in the Church. In some cases prayers, but not a full service, may be said at another location. The Diocesan Bishop will use discretion in deciding cases where mercy should be shown. In the case of a non-Orthodox person who is not connected to any other faith community/tradition, the priest can conduct a prayer service at a funeral home or some other venue to express the love and care of the church community. If you have any questions, please consult the priest to ensure that you are canonically in good standing with the Orthodox Church.



Depends on you parish and bishop. I never saw anyone from home denied on that basis. Perhaps some of the 'traditionalist' folks feel differently, but mainstream - no problem.

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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2011, 06:16:09 PM »
 can you have bag pipes played at an Orthodox funeral  and what if you pass before you are a full member of the church ?

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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2011, 06:20:41 PM »
LBK, I was being cheeky. Sorry about that.  :-[ :)

Jewish voice, I've heard that if you are officially a catechumen and you die while you are in the process of joining the church, you will receive an Orthodox funeral. Yippee! That is a comfort to me.
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2011, 06:22:13 PM »
A catechumen not yet baptised or chrismated will be given an Orthodox funeral. No bagpipes (or other non-liturgical music or song) during the service itself, though it might be possible as the casket is brought into the church before the service starts, or at the gravesite after the interment.
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2011, 06:23:27 PM »
LBK, I was being cheeky. Sorry about that.  :-[ :)

What's there to apologise for?  :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2011, 06:35:44 PM »
can you have bag pipes played at an Orthodox funeral  and what if you pass before you are a full member of the church ?

LBK answered your questions in reply #17.  Yes, you can get a funeral if you're a catechumen, and no bagpipes in the Church, during the service, or between the Church service and the graveside one.  Before the service, after the burial, but that's it. (And it depends on the Bishop, who could waive the rule for a special reason - when in doubt, always consult the local hierarch through your parish priest.)
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2011, 07:33:34 PM »
Eligibility does ring wrong there though . . . Wow.

It worked better for the second part of the above-referenced page:

Funerals only for those who have accumulated 10,000+ worship points, 5 or more years of consecutive attendance in the parish, and who have waived their no-trade clause. ;)
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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2011, 08:27:45 PM »
I am not a Catechumen yet.  I was channel surfing through the TV today and saw the RC Bishop funeral being televised and questions started to pop in my head. 
My sister once told me that she attended a RC funeral and the person was baptised at their funeral.  I watched the funeral to see if this was the practice.  I saw no baptism, only Holy Comunion.  I'm not trying to compare the two but it brought up a question that I had not thought to ask during my inquiring into Orthodoxy.
I am gonna die afterall but I just hadn't thought about my funeral.

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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2011, 11:22:07 PM »
Ok, after reading my post it did not make any sense.  I called my sister to clarify her remarks on the baptism of a man at his RC funeral.  Apparently the man was a non practicing Methodist and had not stepped foot in church in many years.  His devout RC wife had him baptised at his funeral.  Does this make sense?  I have many RC friends but afraid to ask this question.

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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2011, 11:49:36 PM »
Ok, after reading my post it did not make any sense.  I called my sister to clarify her remarks on the baptism of a man at his RC funeral.  Apparently the man was a non practicing Methodist and had not stepped foot in church in many years.  His devout RC wife had him baptised at his funeral.  Does this make sense?  I have many RC friends but afraid to ask this question.

RCs do (should?) not baptize anyone at their funeral masses.  I saw the funeral mass of the late Sen. Edward Kennedy and no baptism occurred.

Mormons baptize their dead.  I don't know if Mormons broadcast their funeral services since they are rather strict in allowing people to enter their temples where such events take place.   ???

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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2011, 11:57:21 PM »
Ok, after reading my post it did not make any sense.  I called my sister to clarify her remarks on the baptism of a man at his RC funeral.  Apparently the man was a non practicing Methodist and had not stepped foot in church in many years.  His devout RC wife had him baptised at his funeral.  Does this make sense?  I have many RC friends but afraid to ask this question.

Rubbish. No such thing happens in the Roman Catholic Church.

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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2011, 12:01:35 AM »
Ok, after reading my post it did not make any sense.  I called my sister to clarify her remarks on the baptism of a man at his RC funeral.  Apparently the man was a non practicing Methodist and had not stepped foot in church in many years.  His devout RC wife had him baptised at his funeral.  Does this make sense?  I have many RC friends but afraid to ask this question.

Rubbish. No such thing happens in the Roman Catholic Church.


Perhaps they sprinkled some holy water which someone may mistake for a baptism?

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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2011, 02:27:46 AM »
Perhaps they sprinkled some holy water which someone may mistake for a baptism?

That would be my guess - the priest uses the aspergillium to sprinkle the casket with holy water.

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Re: Funeral Question
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2011, 07:36:29 AM »
Thanks for the explanation.  I am very happy to be able to ask my questions through this forum.