sorry but this fr john lobue i know him for years his church was founded by fr francis brothers who at one time was under the russian patrairch then left after a short time not wanting be demoted to be a mitered monk then he died in the 1970's and a bishop mc cormick ran the church up until his death and he passed the reigns of leadership tohis junior fr lobue who was just ordained a few years earlier by mccormick the headquaters of this church is runned out of a hunting lodge they owns in west milford nj and in the 80's the church was called the synod of orthodox bishops of the western rite and then in the early 90's they got involved with the so called patriarch of kiev church they stayed a bit and realized his was a fraud and left his church then got involved in the synod of the milan who now they have broken off commuion with so now they are a self isolated jurisdiction on a junk yard property with a half finished church a broken down falling apart house with 3 clergy man living thier and a nun who lives in a trailer on the property with a bunch of cats and has a tv and she lives in the winter months on the couch of the living room in the same house as the 3 male clergy as with a bunch of cats the place smells of cat and dog waste this fr lobue has a natty hair style looks like dread locks torn cassock and the so called 31 churches are home churches other then the west milford nj and woodstock ny property the autonomous orthodox synod of the americas and british isles have no real physical churches oh did i mention fr lobue owns a tv if you want to see if these people are on the level just visit them and talk to them in west milford the condition of their so called new york new jersey diocese and how they act and talk shows they are not really monks or clergy just a bunch of people playing dress up and playing church
I've had enough.
Godlessky, you are right.
Is it comfortable there in the winter? Not at all! How can it be with the drafts! (Forget your winter pilgrimage). It is on a mountain, and far from your nearest Quickie-mart and 7-Eleven. And let me go even further! The power goes out there at least twice a winter! The monks can be completely snowed in! Bears occasionally wander the premises! There's a fireplace-- THAT'S BROKEN! No hi-speed internet for guests in this monastery, either.
But why stop there? Let's let it all out! The monks follow that nasty Western custom of eating FOWL! And during fast days they don't eat till evening! And they fight over food! And with the exception of Vl John's episcopal visits, they only go get to go to the supermarket, the doctor, and out to eat occasionally! "Community involvement"? GET REAL! Most of the community doesn't even know these people are trapped
there because they're up on that mountain! Flyers? Advertisements? Absolutely not. These people are obviously a drain on society, and contribute nothing. And no one even knows! Not even Jehovah's Witnesses can get to them!
And let me tell you about this weird teaching that Metropolitan John has that I've finally gotten over
after reading Godlessky's post-- he told people that "suffering" is actually the "Christian life". Really? Yep. Suffering. Freaky, isn't it? And a "personal cross", like we're supposed to be Jesus or something. And that's how he keeps these oddballs in line, before they can get wise and find a real monastery instead of freezing their posteriors off in that nasty house. That's why the pets get such good food. And that's the best part of this whole ridiculous thing: he says that the world is supposed to "hate" us. SICK! It's like being in a cult! Like it's "us" against "them". Isn't this totally against the point of Jesus coming? Didn't he come to save us all!? It's all a big setup to keep us from getting what makes us happy in life.
I especially agree with this part:
if you want to see if these people are on the level just visit them and talk to them in west milford the condition of their so called new york new jersey diocese and how they act and talk
I agree completely. Make a determination yourself. There's something wrong up there on that monastery. VERY wrong
. But you have to see it to believe it! Just watch out if you come during a non-fast period-- those "meatballs" are made of turkey. I can even confirm the rest. Are there cats there? Yes. An old house in need of repairs? Ditto. A torn cassock? Indeed. No great halls, no frescoes on the ceiling. Perhaps even holes on the ceiling.
Thanks, Fr Ambrose, for putting this on the Paradosis list for the world to see. I never would have known, and it opened my eyes. It is a "junkyard" there, and I need to focus on what God wants for me-- which is some good money, recognition, and maybe I can join a jurisdiction with a quality health care plan. I'm sick of this poor people stuff! I deserve more. (For crying out loud, I wrote four books! How come I can't write for Regina Press? I want my shot on Ancient Faith Radio!
But is the faith preserved and are the offices performed? Sure, the monks will spend long hours doing the offices in full, as they were done in the Orthodox West 900 years ago. But who cares? This place sucks!