The Patriarch of Constantinople has conclebrated the Liturgy-in Rome-with the Pope-on several occasions ... I think every year for the past several ... by several, I mean more than five ....
There are various Canons forbidding "prayer with the hetrodox."
First the excuse was, "well, since the Orthodox clergy are not vested, it's OK."
Then when the Orthodox clergy were vested, it was "well, that means not simply 'prayer,' but an Orthodox liturgical service, and since we aren't doing that, it's OK."
When Patriarch Bartholomew started visiting Rome, and conclebrating the Liturgy with the Pope, he would say something like "but, we aren't yet worthy," or "blessed," to "partake of the common cup." So, the liturgy would be concelebrated to some technical point where it could be said "we did not partake of the common cup," and that "makes it OK."
So, they concelebrate to a certain point, the Patriarch withdraws until another point, then they finish together. Technically, I suppose, they did not "fully concelebrate a liturgy," according to the Patriarch at least ... but, since this is another of the continuing excuses why these violations of the Canons against prayer with the heterodox are "not really violations," I cannot understand why anyone who goes along with this blatant shinola is even upset that there are suggestions it has gone further .... because when it does go further-and it will-you will obviously buy whatever excuse is given then, or the fait accompli of some bizarre unia that has been in process inch by inch since the 'lifting of the anathemas' more than 45 years ago. Or, do we still believe they are merely 'witnessing Orthodoxy?' Are you kidding?
Recently, Fr Vsevolod Chaplin of the MP wrote some panegyric to Metropolitan Nikodim (Rotov). How good ole Metropolitan Nikodim said union with the Catholics could only be approached on Patristic principles ... the link to this -what can you call it? - lets just leave it at 'panegyric'-was on the blog of some lady that goes by 'varvara;' 'varvara' then commented in her inimitable fashion that she thought Fr Vsevolod was the cat's meow, that she was glad K-somethin-G (intials of the Patriarch of Moscow-I forget the initial of his patronymic) didn't put Fr Vsevolod under 'the boy blunder,' meaning Met Hilarion (Alfeev) of Volokolamsk, who digs the papists too much, and much appreciated the "principles" of Nikodim on 'union.'
Nikodim (Rotov) was the architect of the MP's decision to give communion to Roman Catholics in 1969. Nikodim himslef gave communion to Roman Catholics several times in the Vatican at the Russicum ... the Alma Mater of Patriarch Bartholomew ... a college created for the purpose of trainng clergy to convince Orthodox Christians to join the Unia. Nikodim (Rotov) was Hiarion (Alfeev) overdosed on steroids ... he just may have said something about 'patristic principles' for some union or other, but his actions spoke with the volume on 10, while those words were pronounced with the volume on 1 ... if you catch my drift.
Patriarch Kirill is a well known protege of Nikodim ... one of the so-called 'Nikodimtsy.'
We keep hearing denials of any ecumenical wrongdoing by Constantinople ...we keep hearing that the Moscow Patriarchate-which is lionizing probably the worst of the ecumenists in their history by the officially sanctioned praise of their official spokesman, Fr Vsevolod (who also recently offered to 'pray' over [serve a funeral] Lenin's body, which was OK since Lenin was 'never excommunicated' ...), which is telling us in the pronouncements of Met Hilarion (Alfeev) we are learning that we 'are the same as the Catholics,' 'we recognize the mysteries of the Catholics,' 'the Catholics and the Orthodox are the two wings of Christianity ...," etc etc etc,-yes, we keep hearing that the Moscow Patriarchate is 'only talking to people. How can it be wrong to talk to people?' Yet, all this seems to amount to a lot more than talk! And, 'prayer with the heterodox' still goes on ...
As usual, I go on too long-but one more observation. In the last six months, there was, on the ROCOR Synod website, an interview with Archbishop Mark (Arndt) of Berlin & Germany from 2004. He mentioned an interview of recent vintage then, in which then Metropolitan Kirill (Gundayev, now Patirarch) stated that, during the course of Soviet history, the relations between the Soviet government and the Moscow Patriarchate had "developed splendidly."
Now- I ask - anyone, and principally ROCORthodox-how can we listen to and learn of praises of Met Nikodim (Rotov), who died in the arms of and was given "absolution" by Pope John Paul I, the continuing antics of Met Hilarion (Alfeev), and that the current Patriarch of Moscow feels that the Church's relations with the communists 'developed splendidly,' and just keep on smilin' that ole 'love' smile, and say 'things are swell?' I totally realize that "sergianism" is a non-word from the lexicon of the distant past, and I totally realize that the official position is that all the ecumenical garbazh is 'not subject for criticism,' but ... how much can we take? Is this what we signed on for? Apparently some form of unia with the Pope aint that bad after all ... we're halfway already ... hammer in these concepts for a few more years, and they will have us askin' them to speed things along, right? Or, is this all in the context of geopolitics, which makes it OK?? Or what?