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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2011, 09:58:07 PM »

Reason is sometimes the enemy of faith and plain Christian common sense. Whether Ouija boards have actual demonic power or whether it's merely a psychological effect makes no difference. These things should be avoided like the plague by all Christians. But then again, take my opinion with a grain of salt. It's probably just one of my raving fundamentalist views like my belief that abortion is murder.



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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2011, 10:50:48 PM »

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so when i think of these things that have the possibility wetting the spiritual appetite of the young and impressionable ones into the hidden 'occult' in the form of a game that requires their active participation of their will to look into the future through that Bord or cards , horoscopes etc, or in a passive form, gaining pleasure out of certain movies and books whose message is to constantly  and directly blaspheme against the Faith, the Church, the office of the Priesthood, the monastics etc.  I think of what the atheist philosopher  Friedrich Nietzsche have said ' when you stare into the abyss , the abyss stares back at you' lol nothing of the deceiver's is free, so when we take something whatever it may be from him, we will pay one way or another, when we tell ourselves that we are only 'studying' it , we must be aware that we are also being studied. and should the situation arise that information can be used against us. the lie/truth we are told today might be in preparation for the trap set 10 years from today but ultimately the deceiver is not interested in our pet games but in using whatever interests us petty or not to get to us. his diligence is legendary as we all know, and nothing  that borders his territory is 'just a game' to him. of course he might be welcoming like the spider to the fly' welcome to my abode said the spider to the fly Smiley'  I think ultimately its up to each one of us to discern these things, when it comes to ourselves and the young ones entrusted to us. it is my opinion that discerning the spirit of the time, is in keeping with the Lords command ' be wise like the serepent, and meek like the dove'.

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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2011, 10:54:01 PM »

For what it's worth, I personally know some people who had a spiritual/demonic experience when playing with a ouija board.

I don't think the boards have any inherent power, but they are convenient channels for the devil to reach out to those who are open to evil.

But then, so are computers, televisions, and even our best friends at times.
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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2011, 11:16:45 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.
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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2011, 11:29:47 PM »

selam to you all

so when i think of these things that have the possibility wetting the spiritual appetite of the young and impressionable ones into the hidden 'occult' in the form of a game that requires their active participation of their will to look into the future through that Bord or cards , horoscopes etc, or in a passive form, gaining pleasure out of certain movies and books whose message is to constantly  and directly blaspheme against the Faith, the Church, the office of the Priesthood, the monastics etc.  I think of what the atheist philosopher  Friedrich Nietzsche have said ' when you stare into the abyss , the abyss stares back at you' lol nothing of the deceiver's is free, so when we take something whatever it may be from him, we will pay one way or another, when we tell ourselves that we are only 'studying' it , we must be aware that we are also being studied. and should the situation arise that information can be used against us. the lie/truth we are told today might be in preparation for the trap set 10 years from today but ultimately the deceiver is not interested in our pet games but in using whatever interests us petty or not to get to us. his diligence is legendary as we all know, and nothing  that borders his territory is 'just a game' to him. of course he might be welcoming like the spider to the fly' welcome to my abode said the spider to the fly Smiley'  I think ultimately its up to each one of us to discern these things, when it comes to ourselves and the young ones entrusted to us. it is my opinion that discerning the spirit of the time, is in keeping with the Lords command ' be wise like the serepent, and meek like the dove'.

selam hunu.


Excellent insights as usual Hiwot.


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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2011, 11:42:12 PM »

Here is my take YOUVE all been waiting for.

If using a ouija board is how you get your kicks during in any age group, you need rethink the definition of enjoyment.

Swirling around your alphabet soup and seeing if any words appear or looking for patterns in clouds is about as dangerous.



So if I get messages in my Alphabet Soup telling me Elvis is alive and is the the Archbishop of North America's secret identity, maybe I should  be worried??

Dude, Elvis? rly? livEs. Play Blue Hawaii backwards and you will get the answer to the second.





Sorry, man, but here you're wrong. Elvis is dead.

He died two years ago.

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.



I don't think it's quite an "ask your priest" question, if one has any sort of critical thinking ability:

A) Ouija boards are just a bunch of kids playing around- and everything kids do is guaranteed to be wrong anyway. "Doctor", "House" (the game, not the TV show), Top 40 music, the Disney Channel, all are evil.

B) An adult using an ouija board is searching out advice from spirits, something forbidden in the Judeo Christian experience, whether it "works" or not. If the person is just fooling themselves (as Orthonorm thinks) or is interacting with demons (as some other posters think) is neither here nor there. We aren't told not to fool around with mediums and talking to spirits "Only if it's for really reals" we're just plain told not to do it. Don't do it.
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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2011, 11:43:25 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."
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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2011, 11:45:10 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."


I LOVE IT!!!  Smiley


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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2011, 11:45:28 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...
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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2011, 11:48:24 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Oh, those Orthodox who pick and choose a confessor based on who will go along with his/her opinions are called CAFETERIA Orthodox.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2011, 11:49:09 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Oh, those Orthodox who pick and choose a confessor based on who will go along with his/her opinions are called CAFETERIA Orthodox.
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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2011, 11:49:19 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."

Mine said the same thing.

In this sign, conquer.
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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2011, 11:49:49 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Oh, those Orthodox who pick and choose a confessor based on who will go along with his/her opinions are called CAFETERIA Orthodox.

Mmmmm cafeteria
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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2011, 11:56:31 PM »

...but we are told not to mess with it.

True, and really all we need to know.  Like others pointed out, it's not the game itself that's dangerous.
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« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2011, 12:06:23 AM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.
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« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2011, 12:28:00 AM »

Maria and Salpy that was beautiful what you said your priests said about signs. I will remember to use it and pass it on to others as well. Thank you Smiley
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« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2011, 12:39:04 AM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."

And if they ask u what that means, you show them! Voila, evangelism.
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« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2011, 10:39:01 AM »

I tried doing the "pendulum answers". After experimenting a little bit, I realized it was myself who was causing everything. Not only I could clearly feel after a while that I was moving it myself, but I also tried messing around the questions.

The board itself is a piece of cardboard.  The purpose of using the board is to try to contact spirits, the same is true of seance, wicca, satanism, etc.  Do any of these rituals have power in themselves?  No.  It is the interior disposition of the user that can give the demonic spirits entrance to and power over a person.  For most these are silly games but still sinful in that they are superstitous.  For some they are an invitation to demonic obsession, oppression and  possession.
Yes! Exactly! Couldn't have put it in a better way. Also, my point is that we should discard those practices are superstitious and not literally as demonic magic; it makes us look stupid for no reason and we're attributing much power to the devil as well.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."
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« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2011, 01:19:41 PM »

Why are you messing around with a "piece of cardboard" as you describe the Ouija Board?

Let's say that a person is "strong enough in the faith" that the Ouija board poses no dangers, and the demons seem to have no claim over him/her. Nevertheless, the pride exhibited in thinking that one is invincible from demonic attack could lead to serious spiritual and physical dangers. We must remember that the devil "goes about like a lion seeking those whom he may devour."

Although the Ouija board might not appear to be an opening to demonic attack, it could lead to pride, ungodly curiosity, and further experimentation with things that should be left alone: tarot cards, crystal balls, palmistry, fortune telling, snake charming, horoscopes, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc.


I tried doing the "pendulum answers". After experimenting a little bit, I realized it was myself who was causing everything. Not only I could clearly feel after a while that I was moving it myself, but I also tried messing around the questions.

The board itself is a piece of cardboard.  The purpose of using the board is to try to contact spirits, the same is true of seance, wicca, satanism, etc.  Do any of these rituals have power in themselves?  No.  It is the interior disposition of the user that can give the demonic spirits entrance to and power over a person.  For most these are silly games but still sinful in that they are superstitous.  For some they are an invitation to demonic obsession, oppression and  possession.
Yes! Exactly! Couldn't have put it in a better way. Also, my point is that we should discard those practices are superstitious and not literally as demonic magic; it makes us look stupid for no reason and we're attributing much power to the devil as well.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."
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« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2011, 02:07:23 AM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
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« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2011, 06:32:39 AM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
I hope you're joking.
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« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2011, 06:56:01 AM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
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« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2011, 07:07:38 AM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
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I never saw this at our local Greek Fest; the priest(s) I believe would not be happy
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« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2011, 09:09:01 AM »

How smart would be to invite lions to your house, lets say 2 or 3?  Well not so smart since they can kill you however the sick angels invited through board are more powerfull and can attack both the body and the soul.
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How smart would be to invite lions to your house, lets say 2 or 3?  Well not so smart since they can kill you however the sick angels invited through board are more powerfull and can attack both the body and the soul.


Very good point.


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How smart would be to invite lions to your house, lets say 2 or 3?  Well not so smart since they can kill you however the sick angels invited through board are more powerfull and can attack both the body and the soul.


Very good point.


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Indeed.  The board itself is just a board, but the process of using the board, even for play, explicitly refers to calling on spirits to guide the pointer.  Even if none "show up" and the users end up moving the pointer by themselves via suggestion or subconsciously, it's never a good idea to play with the spirit world. 

My wife has always wanted to get a coffee table with a ouija bord on it simply as an aesthetic piece of furniture.  I indulge most of rather odd tastes in art (she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!) but I am adamant about not having such a thing in my house on display.  I turn a blind eye to the set of tarot cards she has that she owns as it is understood that I am not to be in the house if she ever feels the need to pull them out (which she has not, to my knowledge*, in some time, at least not in our new home), but I just find ouija boards utterly creepy because I associate them with a certain group of people I knew in high school.  It's one of the strongest memories I have of that time and it's not a particular set I wish to recall.

* How do I know she hasn't pulled them out?  I know where they are, stored away in the long bench/trunk in the basement that always has quite a bit of other stuff on top of it.  I'm not even she knows where they are, but if she did, I would know if she went hunting for them because she would never put all that stuff back on top Smiley
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« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2011, 12:37:47 PM »

I had a priest from the 'Old Country' offer to teach me how.

This kind of behavior isn't just limited to Greeks and Arabs.  The Slavs have traditions of priests uttering 'Black Prayers,' or the occasional priest acting as a koldun.

Anyway, that's for another thread.


I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
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« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2011, 05:35:43 PM »

(she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!)

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« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2011, 05:52:49 PM »

To me the Ouija board is just as dangerous as calling Bloody Mary.

Using a Ouija board on one's coffee table is innocuous compared to say, sacrificing a pigeon in a pentagram on the floor.  Especially since you're not praying but asking for a physical manifestation of the supernatural, which I must believe is a rare occurrence...  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2011, 05:56:06 PM »

(she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!)

*orthonorm furiously googles to make sure he ain't completely brain dead and forgot what a taxidermist is*

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« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2011, 06:36:22 PM »

(she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!)

*orthonorm furiously googles to make sure he ain't completely brain dead and forgot what a taxidermist is*

Yes, you read it correctly.  I have stuffed mice, a bunch of animal skulls in an old lantern, a stuffed fox, a stuffed raccoon, and a jar full of my wife's dead grandparents dentures in my house among other things.

There is also a deer skull in the process of maceration in a bucket in my backyard and about ten duck carcasses in my deep freeze.

But that's another thread for another time...
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« Reply #76 on: October 08, 2011, 06:52:48 PM »

This is very irrelevant! By the way, better be safe than sorry.
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« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2011, 06:54:38 PM »

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. Smiley

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
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« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2011, 09:08:37 PM »


How smart would be to invite lions to your house, lets say 2 or 3?  Well not so smart since they can kill you however the sick angels invited through board are more powerfull and can attack both the body and the soul.


Very good point.


Selam


Indeed.  The board itself is just a board, but the process of using the board, even for play, explicitly refers to calling on spirits to guide the pointer.  Even if none "show up" and the users end up moving the pointer by themselves via suggestion or subconsciously, it's never a good idea to play with the spirit world. 

My wife has always wanted to get a coffee table with a ouija bord on it simply as an aesthetic piece of furniture.  I indulge most of rather odd tastes in art (she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!) but I am adamant about not having such a thing in my house on display.  I turn a blind eye to the set of tarot cards she has that she owns as it is understood that I am not to be in the house if she ever feels the need to pull them out (which she has not, to my knowledge*, in some time, at least not in our new home), but I just find ouija boards utterly creepy because I associate them with a certain group of people I knew in high school.  It's one of the strongest memories I have of that time and it's not a particular set I wish to recall.

* How do I know she hasn't pulled them out?  I know where they are, stored away in the long bench/trunk in the basement that always has quite a bit of other stuff on top of it.  I'm not even she knows where they are, but if she did, I would know if she went hunting for them because she would never put all that stuff back on top Smiley

Oh dear.

If she can read your post here, then the secret is out.
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