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« on: October 05, 2011, 06:35:36 PM »
Some non-Christian friends came up to me and said they tried it. They said it worked perfect and all the replies they got did make sense. Of course, there was another one with 10 years of "experience" along.
Once they ("amateurs") tried it alone, they'd only get gibberish replies. Not even their theological views on the matter made sense, let alone the fact they couldn't tell that they had self-submitted themselves.

On the other hand, we have Christians who believe that these Ouija boards can haunt your house with demons and even possess your soul. The criticism this mere FRAUD (or magic trick) has received from Christians is an insult to Christ's people; to our intelligence. Just because people can be driven crazy it doesn't mean it's actually the devil's work directly. It was John of Damascus who said that there are actions guided by God, those by Satan and those by other forces (i.e.: psychological phenomena!).

Long story short, it's nothing at all. It's not a demonic board. It's just a game inside your mind. A game played by yourself.

Watch this video, please:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cma5Zn7xrWU
Another good test I've heard is blindfolding the participants. Surely, the spirit will still be able to move around the board without you having to watch, right? (Come to think of it, this whole Ouija practice is kinda offending to blind people! :P)

Also see:
http://www.skepdic.com/ouija.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_response

Trying it out isn't dangerous. Believing it actually works IS dangerous. Because, then, even if people are not communicating with any evil force actually (or with any force at all!), there are great chances of them going crazy over it and becoming occultists.


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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 06:40:38 PM »
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 07:10:47 PM »
I would say that just because demonic forces aren't always involved in something, doesn't mean they often aren't.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 08:51:52 PM »
I prefer the Nonnein Board, myself.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 09:12:46 PM »
I've heard differently from some of my friends.

My advice would be to have nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 09:13:39 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 09:30:28 PM »
I don't think it invites evil spirits. Its just silly. I think it can be dangerous because it can be a distraction. We should keep our minds on Christ instead of thinking a little board can tell us things. I don't believe the board itself has power, except for the power to distract us from Christ.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2011, 09:56:50 PM »
If you are genuinely attempting to use a Ouija board for the purpose of contacting the dead, you are engaging in something quite close to necromancy, and I would argue this does - in fact - invite unclean spirits.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2011, 09:56:50 PM »
Is it necessary? No. May it be harmful? Yes. Ergo, have nothing to do with it.

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Btw, there is something to the ouija board: I have a personal experience that IIRC I've posted but do not have time now.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2011, 09:58:51 PM »
The board itself is a piece of cardboard.  The purpose of using the board is to try to contact spirits, the same is true of seance, wicca, satanism, etc.  Do any of these rituals have power in themselves?  No.  It is the interior disposition of the user that can give the demonic spirits entrance to and power over a person.  For most these are silly games but still sinful in that they are superstitous.  For some they are an invitation to demonic obsession, oppression and  possession.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2011, 10:04:38 PM »
The board itself is a piece of cardboard.  The purpose of using the board is to try to contact spirits, the same is true of seance, wicca, satanism, etc.  Do any of these rituals have power in themselves?  No.  It is the interior disposition of the user that can give the demonic spirits entrance to and power over a person.  For most these are silly games but still sinful in that they are superstitous.  For some they are an invitation to demonic obsession, oppression and  possession.

Thank you, Deacon Lance, a voice of reason.

Two people I knew who had played with that board had very negative demonic experiences.
They avoided the Ouija board from then on.

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2011, 10:06:07 PM »
If you are genuinely attempting to use a Ouija board for the purpose of contacting the dead, you are engaging in something quite close to necromancy, and I would argue this does - in fact - invite unclean spirits.

I honestly don't believe that it has any power. Same with Wicca spells, seances, etc. I don't think there is any power in them. The danger is believing that they do have power and that can lead one into delusion. I believe such things are also blasphemous. That is where the real danger is.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2011, 10:07:22 PM »
I don't read horoscopes, not because I think that a demonic spirit will take over my body immediately, but there is nothing spiritually beneficial about it. Same with the Ouija board. Why bother?
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2011, 10:08:54 PM »
My two cents on occultic games like ouija boards, tarot cards, "the bell witch" is this:
1) at best it is a silly game, and thus a waste of time
2) at worst it is much, much more sinister and dangerous than option 1.
At any rate, why would you even want to try it? Remember Russian Roulette with a six shooter gives you a 83.33% chance of not blowing your head off, but would you still take the risk?
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 10:39:31 PM »
Long story short, it's nothing at all. It's not a demonic board. It's just a game inside your mind. A game played by yourself.
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Trying it out isn't dangerous. Believing it actually works IS dangerous. Because, then, even if people are not communicating with any evil force actually (or with any force at all!), there are great chances of them going crazy over it and becoming occultists.

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When my mom was young, she did ouiji board with some friends, maybe this was high school. She asked the name of the man she would marry. The board got to all but the last letter of a name when my mom took her hand off. She thought maybe the name had a wrong letter in it and thought it was different name. In college, she met a man, later married him, and later realized that his name was the name from the board plus one letter. I'm just saying...
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2011, 10:59:56 PM »
When I was a kid I had one for a while.  Got to the point when I never used it, and I started wondering if it was bad news, so I got rid of it.  I would never have one again.

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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2011, 11:06:23 PM »
I experienced some weird things with that board.

Nothing Paranormal Activity crazy though.
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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2011, 11:07:32 PM »
Long story short, it's nothing at all. It's not a demonic board. It's just a game inside your mind. A game played by yourself.
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Trying it out isn't dangerous. Believing it actually works IS dangerous. Because, then, even if people are not communicating with any evil force actually (or with any force at all!), there are great chances of them going crazy over it and becoming occultists.

God bless us all!...with reason this time!
When my mom was young, she did ouiji board with some friends, maybe this was high school. She asked the name of the man she would marry. The board got to all but the last letter of a name when my mom took her hand off. She thought maybe the name had a wrong letter in it and thought it was different name. In college, she met a man, later married him, and later realized that his name was the name from the board plus one letter. I'm just saying...

Do demons know the future? Or perhaps quiescence that the name was the same?
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2011, 11:21:19 PM »
Reason is sometimes the enemy of faith and plain Christian common sense. Whether Ouija boards have actual demonic power or whether it's merely a psychological effect makes no difference. These things should be avoided like the plague by all Christians. But then again, take my opinion with a grain of salt. It's probably just one of my raving fundamentalist views like my belief that abortion is murder.



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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2011, 11:28:45 PM »
Reason is sometimes the enemy of faith and plain Christian common sense. Whether Ouija boards have actual demonic power or whether it's merely a psychological effect makes no difference. These things should be avoided like the plague by all Christians. But then again, take my opinion with a grain of salt. It's probably just one of my raving fundamentalist views like my belief that abortion is murder.



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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2011, 01:06:29 AM »
The idea that demons can infect people through the use of weegee boards provides the demons themselves with much lulz. Seriously, why would they bother trying to influence people who use those things? Either people're just having a bit of fun, in which case the demons can't do anything; or the people are already so far off the path that no demonic influence is really needed. For realz.

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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2011, 01:06:34 AM »
From The Sayings of the Desert Fathers:

"Some brothers came to find Abba Anthony to tell him about the visions they were having, and to find out from him if they were true or if they came from the demons.  They had a donkey which died on the way.  When they reached the place where the old man was, he said to them before they could ask him anything, 'How was it that the little donkey died on the way here?' They said, 'How do you know about that, Father?' And he told them, 'The demons shewed me what happened.'  So they said, 'That was what we came to question you about, for fear were were being deceived, for we have visions which often turn out to be true.'  Thus the old man convinced them, by the example of the donkey, that their visions came from the demons."
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2011, 01:06:35 AM »
Reason is sometimes the enemy of faith and plain Christian common sense. Whether Ouija boards have actual demonic power or whether it's merely a psychological effect makes no difference. These things should be avoided like the plague by all Christians. But then again, take my opinion with a grain of salt. It's probably just one of my raving fundamentalist views like my belief that abortion is murder.



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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2011, 01:27:44 AM »
The idea that demons can infect people through the use of weegee boards provides the demons themselves with much lulz. Seriously, why would they bother trying to influence people who use those things? Either people're just having a bit of fun, in which case the demons can't do anything; or the people are already so far off the path that no demonic influence is really needed. For realz.
Or the people think that they are believers who are just having fun and then they do it again and again and start to rely on the ouiji board or believe in it enough for it to affect their lives and they are not longer the powerful tools for the Kingdom of God that they once were. That could also happen. (I know it doesn't always happen like that, but I feel the possibility needs to be mentioned.)
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2011, 01:31:06 AM »
Reason is sometimes the enemy of faith and plain Christian common sense. Whether Ouija boards have actual demonic power or whether it's merely a psychological effect makes no difference. These things should be avoided like the plague by all Christians. But then again, take my opinion with a grain of salt. It's probably just one of my raving fundamentalist views like my belief that abortion is murder.



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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2011, 01:32:58 AM »
The idea that demons can infect people through the use of weegee boards provides the demons themselves with much lulz. Seriously, why would they bother trying to influence people who use those things? Either people're just having a bit of fun, in which case the demons can't do anything; or the people are already so far off the path that no demonic influence is really needed. For realz.
Or the people think that they are believers who are just having fun and then they do it again and again and start to rely on the ouiji board or believe in it enough for it to affect their lives and they are not longer the powerful tools for the Kingdom of God that they once were. That could also happen. (I know it doesn't always happen like that, but I feel the possibility needs to be mentioned.)


That's a very good point Anastasia.


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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2011, 01:47:54 AM »
I'm skeptical about this stuff, but we are told not to mess with it.

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I don't think it invites evil spirits. Its just silly. I think it can be dangerous because it can be a distraction.

never used one, but i agree.  I dont see how a piece of cardboard can be dangerous.  it seems like it would a be a funny/quirky thing to pull out at a party or something.  i didnt know people out there really took these things serious...

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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2011, 04:47:47 AM »
The idea that demons can infect people through the use of weegee boards provides the demons themselves with much lulz. Seriously, why would they bother trying to influence people who use those things? Either people're just having a bit of fun, in which case the demons can't do anything; or the people are already so far off the path that no demonic influence is really needed. For realz.
Or the people think that they are believers who are just having fun and then they do it again and again and start to rely on the ouiji board or believe in it enough for it to affect their lives and they are not longer the powerful tools for the Kingdom of God that they once were. That could also happen. (I know it doesn't always happen like that, but I feel the possibility needs to be mentioned.)

I covered that scenario when I talked about some being so far off the path that the demons don't even bother ;)

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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2011, 04:47:47 AM »
Reason is sometimes the enemy of faith and plain Christian common sense. Whether Ouija boards have actual demonic power or whether it's merely a psychological effect makes no difference. These things should be avoided like the plague by all Christians. But then again, take my opinion with a grain of salt. It's probably just one of my raving fundamentalist views like my belief that abortion is murder.



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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2011, 08:41:00 AM »
My two cents on occultic games like ouija boards, tarot cards, "the bell witch" is this:
1) at best it is a silly game, and thus a waste of time
2) at worst it is much, much more sinister and dangerous than option 1.

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At any rate, why would you even want to try it? Remember Russian Roulette with a six shooter gives you a 83.33% chance of not blowing your head off, but would you still take the risk?

Correction. 83.33% the first person to go will lose. The rate gets more risky as it gets passed around. There is a 100% chance that, if not you, someone playing will die, that is if everyone fully follows through with the game.
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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2011, 08:58:53 AM »
Correction. 83.33% the first person to go will lose. The rate gets more risky as it gets passed around. There is a 100% chance that, if not you, someone playing will die, that is if everyone fully follows through with the game.
...unless one of the players is a robot.
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« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2011, 09:39:20 AM »
I would absolutely insist that any person I had spiritual and pastoral responsibility for had nothing ever to do with this, or with other such activity including horoscopes.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2011, 09:53:18 AM »
I attended a number of occult activities throughout my childhood and into early adulthood.  Spirit boards were part of that.  Most of the time, it was rubbish, which in part led to the collapse of the Spiritualist Movement in the early 20th century.

However, when people begin inviting spirits to enter their space and communicate, they are opening doors that can be difficult to close.

While 99% of people experience no aftereffects from Ouija Board use, there are 1% who do end up with some kind of negative after-effects.  These can range from small to large problems.

Yes, in most cases the devil is not too worried about us: we are so weighed down with sins and distractions that God is the farthest thing from our minds.  However, sometimes we do get some attention, and so we probably should not unnecessarily increase our chances.
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« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2011, 10:11:21 AM »
I am just remembering that we were playing with the Ouija board when I was a child and I asked who I would marry. It said that my husband's name would start with a D (it does) and I would marry at 37. Okay, so it was wrong on that one. (My sister and cousins all got to marry in their early 20s -- I am having the last laugh ;).)

Hm, scary now that I think about it. I'm surprised that my mother didn't stop us from playing with it. Probably because she thought it was hogwash or, as a very superstitious Catholic, thought that we might find out something true.

Anyway, I wouldn't even try that today. It just opens the door in my mind. I used to read horoscopes and play with tarot cards. What's worse, I actually thought that if I prayed beforehand, that God would use the cards to send me a message. I don't mess with that any more.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2011, 10:15:58 AM »
The Mothman Prophecies addresses all of these issues, and more!
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2011, 11:59:43 AM »
Is it necessary? No. May it be harmful? Yes. Ergo, have nothing to do with it.

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Btw, there is something to the ouija board: I have a personal experience that IIRC I've posted but do not have time now.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2011, 12:03:39 PM »
Here is my take YOUVE all been waiting for.

If using a ouija board is how you get your kicks during in any age group, you need rethink the definition of enjoyment.

Swirling around your alphabet soup and seeing if any words appear or looking for patterns in clouds is about as dangerous.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2011, 12:09:26 PM »
The idea that demons can infect people through the use of weegee boards provides the demons themselves with much lulz. Seriously, why would they bother trying to influence people who use those things? Either people're just having a bit of fun, in which case the demons can't do anything; or the people are already so far off the path that no demonic influence is really needed. For realz.
Or the people think that they are believers who are just having fun and then they do it again and again and start to rely on the ouiji board or believe in it enough for it to affect their lives and they are not longer the powerful tools for the Kingdom of God that they once were. That could also happen. (I know it doesn't always happen like that, but I feel the possibility needs to be mentioned.)

I covered that scenario when I talked about some being so far off the path that the demons don't even bother ;)
No, I am saying that the person could be just starting off the path and the board could the be the tool that takes them further. Just starting to leave the path is not unbelieving, unfaithful, into the occult, or whatever the way that the person could become, the way that could become too far off the path.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2011, 01:04:10 PM »
Correction. 83.33% the first person to go will lose. The rate gets more risky as it gets passed around. There is a 100% chance that, if not you, someone playing will die, that is if everyone fully follows through with the game.
...unless one of the players is a robot.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2011, 04:39:22 PM »
The board itself is a piece of cardboard.  The purpose of using the board is to try to contact spirits, the same is true of seance, wicca, satanism, etc.  Do any of these rituals have power in themselves?  No.  It is the interior disposition of the user that can give the demonic spirits entrance to and power over a person.  For most these are silly games but still sinful in that they are superstitous.  For some they are an invitation to demonic obsession, oppression and  possession.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2011, 04:44:14 PM »
Here is my take YOUVE all been waiting for.

If using a ouija board is how you get your kicks during in any age group, you need rethink the definition of enjoyment.

Swirling around your alphabet soup and seeing if any words appear or looking for patterns in clouds is about as dangerous.



So if I get messages in my Alphabet Soup telling me Elvis is alive and is the the Archbishop of North America's secret identity, maybe I should  be worried??
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2011, 05:07:33 PM »
Here is my take YOUVE all been waiting for.

If using a ouija board is how you get your kicks during in any age group, you need rethink the definition of enjoyment.

Swirling around your alphabet soup and seeing if any words appear or looking for patterns in clouds is about as dangerous.



So if I get messages in my Alphabet Soup telling me Elvis is alive and is the the Archbishop of North America's secret identity, maybe I should  be worried??

Dude, Elvis? rly? livEs. Play Blue Hawaii backwards and you will get the answer to the second.



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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2011, 07:26:18 PM »
Funnily enough i had a conversation on the phone about this yesterday with a friend who thinks that the devil is more interested in destroying our relationships with each other and ultimately God. So he wouldn't be interested in silly games like that. I tend to think that anything that brings about fear in a person --which those board games can -- is dangerous. I'm not saying the enemy is right there at that moment or even that spirits would be present, but the idea of what you're doing makes you nervous and jumpy so you'd be more inclined to be fearful and think about it during the week.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2011, 09:28:43 PM »
Correction. 83.33% the first person to go will lose. The rate gets more risky as it gets passed around. There is a 100% chance that, if not you, someone playing will die, that is if everyone fully follows through with the game.
...unless one of the players is a robot.
or has a kevlar helmet.

They're better at deflecting rounds than stopping them. That's why they have that real curvy shape.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2011, 09:58:07 PM »
Reason is sometimes the enemy of faith and plain Christian common sense. Whether Ouija boards have actual demonic power or whether it's merely a psychological effect makes no difference. These things should be avoided like the plague by all Christians. But then again, take my opinion with a grain of salt. It's probably just one of my raving fundamentalist views like my belief that abortion is murder.



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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2011, 10:50:48 PM »
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so when i think of these things that have the possibility wetting the spiritual appetite of the young and impressionable ones into the hidden 'occult' in the form of a game that requires their active participation of their will to look into the future through that Bord or cards , horoscopes etc, or in a passive form, gaining pleasure out of certain movies and books whose message is to constantly  and directly blaspheme against the Faith, the Church, the office of the Priesthood, the monastics etc.  I think of what the atheist philosopher  Friedrich Nietzsche have said ' when you stare into the abyss , the abyss stares back at you' lol nothing of the deceiver's is free, so when we take something whatever it may be from him, we will pay one way or another, when we tell ourselves that we are only 'studying' it , we must be aware that we are also being studied. and should the situation arise that information can be used against us. the lie/truth we are told today might be in preparation for the trap set 10 years from today but ultimately the deceiver is not interested in our pet games but in using whatever interests us petty or not to get to us. his diligence is legendary as we all know, and nothing  that borders his territory is 'just a game' to him. of course he might be welcoming like the spider to the fly' welcome to my abode said the spider to the fly :)'  I think ultimately its up to each one of us to discern these things, when it comes to ourselves and the young ones entrusted to us. it is my opinion that discerning the spirit of the time, is in keeping with the Lords command ' be wise like the serepent, and meek like the dove'.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2011, 10:54:01 PM »
For what it's worth, I personally know some people who had a spiritual/demonic experience when playing with a ouija board.

I don't think the boards have any inherent power, but they are convenient channels for the devil to reach out to those who are open to evil.

But then, so are computers, televisions, and even our best friends at times.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2011, 11:16:45 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2011, 11:29:47 PM »
selam to you all

so when i think of these things that have the possibility wetting the spiritual appetite of the young and impressionable ones into the hidden 'occult' in the form of a game that requires their active participation of their will to look into the future through that Bord or cards , horoscopes etc, or in a passive form, gaining pleasure out of certain movies and books whose message is to constantly  and directly blaspheme against the Faith, the Church, the office of the Priesthood, the monastics etc.  I think of what the atheist philosopher  Friedrich Nietzsche have said ' when you stare into the abyss , the abyss stares back at you' lol nothing of the deceiver's is free, so when we take something whatever it may be from him, we will pay one way or another, when we tell ourselves that we are only 'studying' it , we must be aware that we are also being studied. and should the situation arise that information can be used against us. the lie/truth we are told today might be in preparation for the trap set 10 years from today but ultimately the deceiver is not interested in our pet games but in using whatever interests us petty or not to get to us. his diligence is legendary as we all know, and nothing  that borders his territory is 'just a game' to him. of course he might be welcoming like the spider to the fly' welcome to my abode said the spider to the fly :)'  I think ultimately its up to each one of us to discern these things, when it comes to ourselves and the young ones entrusted to us. it is my opinion that discerning the spirit of the time, is in keeping with the Lords command ' be wise like the serepent, and meek like the dove'.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2011, 11:42:12 PM »
Here is my take YOUVE all been waiting for.

If using a ouija board is how you get your kicks during in any age group, you need rethink the definition of enjoyment.

Swirling around your alphabet soup and seeing if any words appear or looking for patterns in clouds is about as dangerous.



So if I get messages in my Alphabet Soup telling me Elvis is alive and is the the Archbishop of North America's secret identity, maybe I should  be worried??

Dude, Elvis? rly? livEs. Play Blue Hawaii backwards and you will get the answer to the second.





Sorry, man, but here you're wrong. Elvis is dead.

He died two years ago.

I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.



I don't think it's quite an "ask your priest" question, if one has any sort of critical thinking ability:

A) Ouija boards are just a bunch of kids playing around- and everything kids do is guaranteed to be wrong anyway. "Doctor", "House" (the game, not the TV show), Top 40 music, the Disney Channel, all are evil.

B) An adult using an ouija board is searching out advice from spirits, something forbidden in the Judeo Christian experience, whether it "works" or not. If the person is just fooling themselves (as Orthonorm thinks) or is interacting with demons (as some other posters think) is neither here nor there. We aren't told not to fool around with mediums and talking to spirits "Only if it's for really reals" we're just plain told not to do it. Don't do it.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2011, 11:43:25 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2011, 11:45:10 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."


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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2011, 11:45:28 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2011, 11:48:24 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Oh, those Orthodox who pick and choose a confessor based on who will go along with his/her opinions are called CAFETERIA Orthodox.  ::)
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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2011, 11:49:09 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Oh, those Orthodox who pick and choose a confessor based on who will go along with his/her opinions are called CAFETERIA Orthodox.
What about those of us who choose based on proximity?  ???
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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2011, 11:49:19 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."

Mine said the same thing.

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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2011, 11:49:49 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Oh, those Orthodox who pick and choose a confessor based on who will go along with his/her opinions are called CAFETERIA Orthodox.

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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2011, 11:56:31 PM »
...but we are told not to mess with it.

True, and really all we need to know.  Like others pointed out, it's not the game itself that's dangerous.
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« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2011, 12:06:23 AM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.
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« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2011, 12:28:00 AM »
Maria and Salpy that was beautiful what you said your priests said about signs. I will remember to use it and pass it on to others as well. Thank you :)
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« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2011, 12:39:04 AM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

I know that my priest would not give his blessing for anyone to use Ouija boards, tarot cards, crystal balls, horoscopes, fortune tellers or palmistry.

We are to avoid these things. In fact, one of the Orthodox Priests in our area placed a person under penance for two years for visiting a fortune teller at a carnival.

Another Orthodox Priest said that although his own mother would read tea leaves in her cup and in those of others, he did not recommend that practice either.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."

And if they ask u what that means, you show them! Voila, evangelism.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2011, 10:39:01 AM »
I tried doing the "pendulum answers". After experimenting a little bit, I realized it was myself who was causing everything. Not only I could clearly feel after a while that I was moving it myself, but I also tried messing around the questions.

The board itself is a piece of cardboard.  The purpose of using the board is to try to contact spirits, the same is true of seance, wicca, satanism, etc.  Do any of these rituals have power in themselves?  No.  It is the interior disposition of the user that can give the demonic spirits entrance to and power over a person.  For most these are silly games but still sinful in that they are superstitous.  For some they are an invitation to demonic obsession, oppression and  possession.
Yes! Exactly! Couldn't have put it in a better way. Also, my point is that we should discard those practices are superstitious and not literally as demonic magic; it makes us look stupid for no reason and we're attributing much power to the devil as well.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."
Haha, I remember reading this one in the forums years ago. I loved it. Bad thing I can't use this pun in Greek, so, when asked, I tell people to say that in English.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2011, 01:19:41 PM »
Why are you messing around with a "piece of cardboard" as you describe the Ouija Board?

Let's say that a person is "strong enough in the faith" that the Ouija board poses no dangers, and the demons seem to have no claim over him/her. Nevertheless, the pride exhibited in thinking that one is invincible from demonic attack could lead to serious spiritual and physical dangers. We must remember that the devil "goes about like a lion seeking those whom he may devour."

Although the Ouija board might not appear to be an opening to demonic attack, it could lead to pride, ungodly curiosity, and further experimentation with things that should be left alone: tarot cards, crystal balls, palmistry, fortune telling, snake charming, horoscopes, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc.


I tried doing the "pendulum answers". After experimenting a little bit, I realized it was myself who was causing everything. Not only I could clearly feel after a while that I was moving it myself, but I also tried messing around the questions.

The board itself is a piece of cardboard.  The purpose of using the board is to try to contact spirits, the same is true of seance, wicca, satanism, etc.  Do any of these rituals have power in themselves?  No.  It is the interior disposition of the user that can give the demonic spirits entrance to and power over a person.  For most these are silly games but still sinful in that they are superstitous.  For some they are an invitation to demonic obsession, oppression and  possession.
Yes! Exactly! Couldn't have put it in a better way. Also, my point is that we should discard those practices are superstitious and not literally as demonic magic; it makes us look stupid for no reason and we're attributing much power to the devil as well.

Regarding horoscopes, my priest says if someone asks for your sign, you should say "the sign of the Cross."
Haha, I remember reading this one in the forums years ago. I loved it. Bad thing I can't use this pun in Greek, so, when asked, I tell people to say that in English.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2011, 02:07:23 AM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.

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« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2011, 06:32:39 AM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2011, 06:56:01 AM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2011, 07:07:38 AM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
I hope you're joking.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2011, 09:09:01 AM »
How smart would be to invite lions to your house, lets say 2 or 3?  Well not so smart since they can kill you however the sick angels invited through board are more powerfull and can attack both the body and the soul.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2011, 11:00:07 AM »

How smart would be to invite lions to your house, lets say 2 or 3?  Well not so smart since they can kill you however the sick angels invited through board are more powerfull and can attack both the body and the soul.


Very good point.


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« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2011, 11:53:44 AM »

How smart would be to invite lions to your house, lets say 2 or 3?  Well not so smart since they can kill you however the sick angels invited through board are more powerfull and can attack both the body and the soul.


Very good point.


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Indeed.  The board itself is just a board, but the process of using the board, even for play, explicitly refers to calling on spirits to guide the pointer.  Even if none "show up" and the users end up moving the pointer by themselves via suggestion or subconsciously, it's never a good idea to play with the spirit world. 

My wife has always wanted to get a coffee table with a ouija bord on it simply as an aesthetic piece of furniture.  I indulge most of rather odd tastes in art (she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!) but I am adamant about not having such a thing in my house on display.  I turn a blind eye to the set of tarot cards she has that she owns as it is understood that I am not to be in the house if she ever feels the need to pull them out (which she has not, to my knowledge*, in some time, at least not in our new home), but I just find ouija boards utterly creepy because I associate them with a certain group of people I knew in high school.  It's one of the strongest memories I have of that time and it's not a particular set I wish to recall.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2011, 12:37:47 PM »
I had a priest from the 'Old Country' offer to teach me how.

This kind of behavior isn't just limited to Greeks and Arabs.  The Slavs have traditions of priests uttering 'Black Prayers,' or the occasional priest acting as a koldun.

Anyway, that's for another thread.


I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2011, 05:35:43 PM »
(she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!)

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2011, 05:52:49 PM »
To me the Ouija board is just as dangerous as calling Bloody Mary.

Using a Ouija board on one's coffee table is innocuous compared to say, sacrificing a pigeon in a pentagram on the floor.  Especially since you're not praying but asking for a physical manifestation of the supernatural, which I must believe is a rare occurrence...  ::)

One might speak of superstition but it is superstitious to believe the devil devours souls through a Hasbro game board.
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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2011, 05:56:06 PM »
(she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!)

*orthonorm furiously googles to make sure he ain't completely brain dead and forgot what a taxidermist is*

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2011, 06:36:22 PM »
(she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!)

*orthonorm furiously googles to make sure he ain't completely brain dead and forgot what a taxidermist is*

Yes, you read it correctly.  I have stuffed mice, a bunch of animal skulls in an old lantern, a stuffed fox, a stuffed raccoon, and a jar full of my wife's dead grandparents dentures in my house among other things.

There is also a deer skull in the process of maceration in a bucket in my backyard and about ten duck carcasses in my deep freeze.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #76 on: October 08, 2011, 06:52:48 PM »
This is very irrelevant! By the way, better be safe than sorry.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2011, 06:54:38 PM »
I think this is an ASK YOUR PRIEST question.

So if my priest says it's not a big deal and to have fun, and perhaps to go to a fortune teller when I get bored with the board... then that's the advice I should follow. Got ya. Thanks. It's good to know that priests always give the right advice. :)

EDIT--Oh wait, you didn't mean to follow my priest's advice, unless he disagreed with YOU, did ya? Nah, can't be...

Do you really know such a priest who would tell you to enjoy your games and would allow you to go to a fortune teller?

I have not come across one yet.

I am surprised that no one else here has had their (Greek/Turkish) coffee grounds read at a Greek Orthodox Church festival.
I hope you're joking.

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Re: Ouija Board
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2011, 09:08:37 PM »

How smart would be to invite lions to your house, lets say 2 or 3?  Well not so smart since they can kill you however the sick angels invited through board are more powerfull and can attack both the body and the soul.


Very good point.


Selam


Indeed.  The board itself is just a board, but the process of using the board, even for play, explicitly refers to calling on spirits to guide the pointer.  Even if none "show up" and the users end up moving the pointer by themselves via suggestion or subconsciously, it's never a good idea to play with the spirit world. 

My wife has always wanted to get a coffee table with a ouija bord on it simply as an aesthetic piece of furniture.  I indulge most of rather odd tastes in art (she is an amateur taxidermist, after all!) but I am adamant about not having such a thing in my house on display.  I turn a blind eye to the set of tarot cards she has that she owns as it is understood that I am not to be in the house if she ever feels the need to pull them out (which she has not, to my knowledge*, in some time, at least not in our new home), but I just find ouija boards utterly creepy because I associate them with a certain group of people I knew in high school.  It's one of the strongest memories I have of that time and it's not a particular set I wish to recall.

* How do I know she hasn't pulled them out?  I know where they are, stored away in the long bench/trunk in the basement that always has quite a bit of other stuff on top of it.  I'm not even she knows where they are, but if she did, I would know if she went hunting for them because she would never put all that stuff back on top :)

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