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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2011, 07:40:17 AM »

I remember this!

Reminds me of living off of my first paychecks. :-/

I only got through it a few times, and just barely.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2011, 09:28:57 AM »

I didn't make $9 an hour until I first moved out, then got $10 an hour soon thereafter.  But I had less bills in those days.  Today, probably not.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 09:53:17 AM »

I ran out of money in 9 days.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 10:07:40 AM »

$35 bucks left at the end.

Difficult due to lots of curveballs in a single month, plus no information for creating a budget. Taking a conservative route of 'worst case' situations, favoring reliability, and prioritizing family was the only way I made it.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 10:15:04 AM »

I made it through the month answering the questions the way I often have to in real life.

I had $300 left at the end of the month
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 10:32:26 AM »

What a bunch of nonsense. I made it through Day 21 before I just exited the questionnaire. After about Day 10, it starts hitting you with facebook ads.

It's also intellectually dishonest: it falsely offers only two choices on some questions, when--in fact--logical alternatives exist. For example: "You have a bill. What do you do? Pay it or Ignore it?" The correct answer is that you talk to the company you owe and work something out. They'll almost always let you pay over time. The worst thing you can do is ignore them.

This quiz is a set-up. The question is not 'can you live on $9 a month?'; the question is 'can you live on $9/ a month without some sense of entitlement or resentment'?

I've been poor---I mean poor like you can't eat for 4 days in a row poor. I mean poor like you have to borrow a dime to make bus fare so you can go to work in the morning poor. Everyone who's single ought to try it some time; it's good for the soul. It's like a near-death experience that makes you appreciate life.

You'd be surprised how self-sacrificing and creative you can be when you don't have the resources. I've known single people who lived well on $12,000 a year ($6/hr). (I'm not talking about those with families.) Here's an old artist's trick: you can live on a bag of potatoes a month.

If the financial analysts are correct, we'll all be getting experience in poverty over the next ten years. Start living simply now.

For fun, I wen back and finished and ended up with $258 left. In real life, I would have had more.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2011, 11:03:39 AM »

For fun, I went back and finished and ended up with $258 left. In real life, I would have had more.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2011, 11:10:08 AM »

I think I had $308 left. But I did not let my kid play football, and I doubt the food that I purchased would have lasted the month. But anyway...
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2011, 11:18:52 AM »

What a bunch of nonsense. I made it through Day 21 before I just exited the questionnaire. After about Day 10, it starts hitting you with facebook ads.

It's also intellectually dishonest: it falsely offers only two choices on some questions, when--in fact--logical alternatives exist. For example: "You have a bill. What do you do? Pay it or Ignore it?" The correct answer is that you talk to the company you owe and work something out. They'll almost always let you pay over time. The worst thing you can do is ignore them.

This quiz is a set-up. The question is not 'can you live on $9 a month?'; the question is 'can you live on $9/ a month without some sense of entitlement or resentment'?

I've been poor---I mean poor like you can't eat for 4 days in a row poor. I mean poor like you have to borrow a dime to make bus fare so you can go to work in the morning poor. Everyone who's single ought to try it some time; it's good for the soul. It's like a near-death experience that makes you appreciate life.

You'd be surprised how self-sacrificing and creative you can be when you don't have the resources. I've known single people who lived well on $12,000 a year ($6/hr). (I'm not talking about those with families.) Here's an old artist's trick: you can live on a bag of potatoes a month.

If the financial analysts are correct, we'll all be getting experience in poverty over the next ten years. Start living simply now.

For fun, I wen back and finished and ended up with $258 left. In real life, I would have had more.

Exactly. I haven't been that poor but I have lived on $9/hour since working for churches and non-profits, while it may be personally rewarding, is not very financially rewarding. My husband works with homeless veterans and doesn't make a whole lot more than that now.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2011, 02:13:00 PM »

I've lived on $6 an hour and supported 3 children.  Lessons?  It's easier to lose what you really don't need in life and slowly build back than it is to try to hold on to those things that really don't matter.  My car was re-possessed, I took the bus and met some really wonderful humble people.  We very carefully ate on $25 a month - and had absolutely no frills.  I agree with sainthieu - it was absolutely hands down the best experience I've ever been through.  I recently told a friend of mine who is struggling that it was the best thing that ever happened to me.  Hands down.  It was hard and emotionally painful and draining - but I learned to thrive relying on Him.  It's amazing the provision that comes when you trust.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2011, 02:15:56 PM »

I've lived on $6 an hour and supported 3 children.  Lessons?  It's easier to lose what you really don't need in life and slowly build back than it is to try to hold on to those things that really don't matter.  My car was re-possessed, I took the bus and met some really wonderful humble people.  We very carefully ate on $25 a month - and had absolutely no frills.  I agree with sainthieu - it was absolutely hands down the best experience I've ever been through.  I recently told a friend of mine who is struggling that it was the best thing that ever happened to me.  Hands down.  It was hard and emotionally painful and draining - but I learned to thrive relying on Him.  It's amazing the provision that comes when you trust.

How with any nutrient quality? Unless you were seriously gardening as well . . .

I grew up almost cashless, but with government help and 3/4 acre "garden" and chickens, rabbits, etc. we ate very healthily.

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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2011, 02:18:02 PM »

$9 an hour? Try living on $3 an hour. Even with food stamps, rent, and utilities, that's a dirty S.O.B! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2011, 02:19:04 PM »

$9 an hour? Try living on $3 an hour. Even with food stamps, rent, and utilities, that's a dirty S.O.B! Roll Eyes

I don't understand? Is this sarcasm about something.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 02:25:10 PM »

I've lived on $6 an hour and supported 3 children.  Lessons?  It's easier to lose what you really don't need in life and slowly build back than it is to try to hold on to those things that really don't matter.  My car was re-possessed, I took the bus and met some really wonderful humble people.  We very carefully ate on $25 a month - and had absolutely no frills.  I agree with sainthieu - it was absolutely hands down the best experience I've ever been through.  I recently told a friend of mine who is struggling that it was the best thing that ever happened to me.  Hands down.  It was hard and emotionally painful and draining - but I learned to thrive relying on Him.  It's amazing the provision that comes when you trust.

How with any nutrient quality? Unless you were seriously gardening as well . . .

I grew up almost cashless, but with government help and 3/4 acre "garden" and chickens, rabbits, etc. we ate very healthily.



We had a very specific diet - protein: eggs, peanut butter, rice and pinto beans and beef liver.  I'd buy canned vegies when they went on a 25 cent can sale and stock up - bread was from the thrift store, and Corn flakes and oatmeal were cheap cheap.  The things that were hard to come by was milk and fruit - both were always expensive - and rare.  We often went without those.  There was times when I didn't eat so that my children could eat, and then there were many many times when we were short and someone out of the blue knocked on the door with a meal or can goods.  I shopped the scratch and dent baskets often and got canned and boxed goods at very good prices.  It's amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it.
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I've lived on $6 an hour and supported 3 children.  Lessons?  It's easier to lose what you really don't need in life and slowly build back than it is to try to hold on to those things that really don't matter.  My car was re-possessed, I took the bus and met some really wonderful humble people.  We very carefully ate on $25 a month - and had absolutely no frills.  I agree with sainthieu - it was absolutely hands down the best experience I've ever been through.  I recently told a friend of mine who is struggling that it was the best thing that ever happened to me.  Hands down.  It was hard and emotionally painful and draining - but I learned to thrive relying on Him.  It's amazing the provision that comes when you trust.

How with any nutrient quality? Unless you were seriously gardening as well . . .

I grew up almost cashless, but with government help and 3/4 acre "garden" and chickens, rabbits, etc. we ate very healthily.



We had a very specific diet - protein: eggs, peanut butter, rice and pinto beans and beef liver.  I'd buy canned vegies when they went on a 25 cent can sale and stock up - bread was from the thrift store, and Corn flakes and oatmeal were cheap cheap.  The things that were hard to come by was milk and fruit - both were always expensive - and rare.  We often went without those.  There was times when I didn't eat so that my children could eat, and then there were many many times when we were short and someone out of the blue knocked on the door with a meal or can goods.  I shopped the scratch and dent baskets often and got canned and boxed goods at very good prices.  It's amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it.


Along with the veggies and eggs we had we bought pretty only organ meat from the butcher. Not to beat an OC.net chat drum but brains, liver, stomach, intestine, etc. Everything was game, including what I shot.

Milk was a premium. I could eat all day long, so lard and tallow were common foods I ate.

Wow, Quiet. I need to really reflect more on this stuff. As I know I can get by on less. Not not without my CO2 tank.

Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2011, 02:39:11 PM »

$9 an hour? Try living on $3 an hour. Even with food stamps, rent, and utilities, that's a dirty S.O.B! Roll Eyes

I don't understand? Is this sarcasm about something.
No. It's just me b****ing about my life on unemployment. I was supposed to start work on a new job today, until I got a call yesterday from the staffing agency that hired me for this job that their client put my start date on hold. Angry (Hence my reference to Lucy van Pelt, Charlie Brown, and the football on the Video of the Day thread)
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$9 an hour? Try living on $3 an hour. Even with food stamps, rent, and utilities, that's a dirty S.O.B! Roll Eyes

I don't understand? Is this sarcasm about something.
No. It's just me b****ing about my life on unemployment. I was supposed to start work on a new job today, until I got a call yesterday from the staffing agency that hired me for this job that their client put my start date on hold. Angry (Hence my reference to Lucy van Pelt, Charlie Brown, and the football on the Video of the Day thread)

Sorry to hear that. It does seem this economy ain't really picking up. I hope you are able to hang in there. Seems to be getting rough for more and more on this board.

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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2011, 03:07:40 PM »

Quietmorning, thank you for your posts. It is definitely sobering yet amazing that you were able to raise your children and live frugally.
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2011, 03:50:33 PM »

I made it easily. Living on almost nothing is pretty much what I have done my entire life. Most of my time living "at home" with my parents we crashed on the floor at family/friends houses. I gave my parents 50% of my income once I started working part time at 14, then when dropped out of school at 15 I started working full time. (I earned my GED in my spare time). We would make a big pot of beans each week and pretty much eat it every night. Free school lunches helped A LOT since my parents didn't have to work out lunch for all of us most of the year. I have no ill will to my parents for requiring that we contribute. I started going door to door doing chores/yardwork starting at 8 to earn money to buy my own clothes. I know the value of what I have and will never forget it. Food is necessary, but that doesn't mean you get to eat things you like, or that you need any real variety. Clothing is great, but if you don't take care of it you won't have any. One pair of shoes is more than enough. A coat is great, but with layering you can do without. Our Christmas gifts consisted of "family" gifts like toasters, waffle irons and blow dryers. These were things that would make life easier and everyone would benefit from them. I will say that living in the NW I always liked the fact that we had a Christmas tree every year because trees are so abundant. I associate Christmas with Christmas trees more than I do with gifts.


Although I think quiet makes a great point- we do need to factor in when she was living on $25 a month for food and if she supplemented with food stamps or food banks. $25 a month now would not buy the same amount of food as it did in the 1980's. A basket of food in 1980 that cost $25 would cost $91 in 2010. That is still a great feat, but it does put things in perspective a bit. In the 90's my husband and I lived on about $1,000 a month (In Seattle, which isn't a cheap place to live) and had several hundred dollars left over each month.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2011, 03:54:55 PM »

The typical salary for the lowest paid jobs in Poland is $2.43 per hour.
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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2011, 03:56:44 PM »

The typical salary for the lowest paid jobs in Poland is $2.43 per hour.

You do realize a Big Mac costs like $20 here?
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The typical salary for the lowest paid jobs in Poland is $2.43 per hour.

You do realize a Big Mac costs like $20 here?

What?
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2011, 04:02:03 PM »

The biggest key to living frugally is to be debt free. It is also less expensive (for the most part) to make things yourself. I can make all the bread we eat in a week for all 6 of us at a cost of about fifty cents. Flour, water, salt and yeast are very inexpensive compared to bread at the bread outlet at $2 a loaf. If I shopped there for bread we would be spending closer to $10 a week on bread.

If we were on food stamps we would be given three times the amount of money we currently spend on food.
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2011, 04:03:27 PM »

The typical salary for the lowest paid jobs in Poland is $2.43 per hour.

You do realize a Big Mac costs like $20 here?

What?

Just saying the cost of living can be a tad higher for the lowest paid workers in America than in Poland.
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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2011, 04:10:15 PM »

Very good point, Quinault, about $25 now versus the '80s. I thought about that, and like you said, still found it impressive. Smiley

When Mr. Ismi and I had a pretty low budget, we were spending about that much every two weeks. I'm ashamed to see how much we spend now. We are trying to save money for some other things and our grocery bill is astronomical. He is thinking about buying a CSA share with some friends and oh, boy. That is not going to help our bill very much.

I have horrible spending habits and your stories are putting me to shame. Keep them coming. We do need to learn how to live a bit more simply and at the very least, within our means.
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2011, 04:14:00 PM »

And just a note; the federal minimum wage in 1985 was $3.35 an hour. Most states actually had a higher minimum wage than the federal minimum though. WA state is going to have a $9 minimum wage starting in January.

I remember babysitting for $1 a kid per hour as a teenager! Now I have to pay a minimum of $10 an hour!!!! Which is why Bear and I rarely ever get to go on dates Cry


What I didn't like is that they didn't offer a choice to walk/bike to work in the game. If you live within 5 miles of work walking/biking is really the best/cheapest option. It should only take you about an hour to walk 5 miles. An hour commute each way (for free!) is nothing to sneeze at. My husband walks about 3 miles to/from work and that means even with our huge SUV we spend about $100 a month on gas at the max.
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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2011, 04:24:02 PM »

As an add on, even if you compare 1990 $25 with today you end up with about $42 in goods. And $6 an hour in 1990 is more akin to $10 an hour now. Inflation right now is absolutely out of control.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
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This isn't to say that quietmorning raising 3 kids on less than 1k a month isn't impressive. I am just pointing out that 1k even 20 years ago isn't akin to 1k today.
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2011, 04:33:15 PM »

I think I am going to print out this thread and post it on my refrigerator.

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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2011, 04:38:04 PM »

They gave a budget based on $1224, which seems accurate (usually I paid about 15% of my pay in taxes/etc.). However, that doesn't apply to me currently, not because of my student status (which doesn't really figure in), but because I'm on SSI. I get about $700 a month from that... about $525 less than what the website gave you to work with. So yeah, I could live on $9 an hour... that'd actually have an upper-middle-class feel to me (relatively speaking) Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2011, 04:43:49 PM »

Obviously a game like this is limited. It's just a way for the ministry to plug in some statistics, get some ads in there, and get people to pay attention. Of course I have bought food from the "sale" areas, didn't own a car at all and walked where I needed to go, don't HAVE a pet in the first place, etc. etc.

With the advent of online shopping, if you have access to a laptop and good eye for sales, it can be possible to purchase things for a fraction of the money. A website was changing the design of its cosmetic packaging, and I was able to purchase $70 worth of makeup for $12. I compared the formulas of the new versus the old stuff. Still the same.

Etc. Etc.

But of course we can't expect such a simulation set up for that purpose to be THAT realistic.
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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2011, 04:48:12 PM »

The typical salary for the lowest paid jobs in Poland is $2.43 per hour.

You do realize a Big Mac costs like $20 here?

A Big Mac costs $20? Is it true? Or how much?
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2011, 04:49:54 PM »

No, a Big Mac is closer to $5 I think (I don't eat at McDonalds much). I do recall that when my husband and I were first married a Big mac was closer to $2 I think.
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2011, 04:55:21 PM »

No, a Big Mac is closer to $5 I think (I don't eat at McDonalds much). I do recall that when my husband and I were first married a Big mac was closer to $2 I think.

I don't know either. I just grab a breakfast sandwich there or a drink when waiting for vespers after work sometimes. The McDonald's near my parish is quite nice and is an ad hoc homeless shelter. They totally let people hang around all day if they mind their business.

Quite the site really.

I was just making the point about of cost of living.
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2011, 05:04:56 PM »

I think a Big Mac is often more expensive overseas. But I understand the point you are trying to make. Cost of living in the US is pretty high.
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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2011, 05:07:51 PM »

No, a Big Mac is closer to $5 I think (I don't eat at McDonalds much). I do recall that when my husband and I were first married a Big mac was closer to $2 I think.

About $6 here for just the sandwich.
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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2011, 05:08:37 PM »

Yes! I have, and can.  I am a nursing tech, can do a variety of things depending on what type of facility I work in, and which side of the the state line I work on.  For the a simple CNA job, that's $9/hour, when I am working for the nursing agency it ranges from 9-16/per hour depending on the job, and type of facility. When passing meds, working as a tech, in-pt psych closer to 15/hour.  Over the course of a year, between working 2 jobs, I probably average gross at a little over 9/hour.  I live in the kc metro area.
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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2011, 05:12:00 PM »

No, a Big Mac is closer to $5 I think (I don't eat at McDonalds much). I do recall that when my husband and I were first married a Big mac was closer to $2 I think.

About $6 here for just the sandwich.

$2.7 here.
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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2011, 05:20:16 PM »

No, a Big Mac is closer to $5 I think (I don't eat at McDonalds much). I do recall that when my husband and I were first married a Big mac was closer to $2 I think.

About $6 here for just the sandwich.

No way! I gotta check the 'hood tonight. They ain't moving those burgers if that is what they are charging around me.

Unless the XXL meal goes for less than $8.
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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2011, 05:36:01 PM »

I made it easily. Living on almost nothing is pretty much what I have done my entire life. Most of my time living "at home" with my parents we crashed on the floor at family/friends houses. I gave my parents 50% of my income once I started working part time at 14, then when dropped out of school at 15 I started working full time. (I earned my GED in my spare time). We would make a big pot of beans each week and pretty much eat it every night. Free school lunches helped A LOT since my parents didn't have to work out lunch for all of us most of the year. I have no ill will to my parents for requiring that we contribute. I started going door to door doing chores/yardwork starting at 8 to earn money to buy my own clothes. I know the value of what I have and will never forget it. Food is necessary, but that doesn't mean you get to eat things you like, or that you need any real variety. Clothing is great, but if you don't take care of it you won't have any. One pair of shoes is more than enough. A coat is great, but with layering you can do without. Our Christmas gifts consisted of "family" gifts like toasters, waffle irons and blow dryers. These were things that would make life easier and everyone would benefit from them. I will say that living in the NW I always liked the fact that we had a Christmas tree every year because trees are so abundant. I associate Christmas with Christmas trees more than I do with gifts.


Although I think quiet makes a great point- we do need to factor in when she was living on $25 a month for food and if she supplemented with food stamps or food banks. $25 a month now would not buy the same amount of food as it did in the 1980's. A basket of food in 1980 that cost $25 would cost $91 in 2010. That is still a great feat, but it does put things in perspective a bit. In the 90's my husband and I lived on about $1,000 a month (In Seattle, which isn't a cheap place to live) and had several hundred dollars left over each month.

The time I'm talking about was the mid to late 90's.  Smiley If it had been the 80's we would have done much better, me thinks. And if it happened now?  The same job would pay twice to three times as much as what I was making then. 
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« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2011, 05:54:16 PM »

This is my life. I actually DO work a warehouse job, making not much more than $9/hr. In one month, I apparently had a wedding, a funeral, got sick a couple times, had a pet also get sick, had a car accident and my child experienced an entire semester's-worth of school activity. Plus, what was mentioned above about other logical alternatives.

I'm sure these guys are doing good work, and living on that pay isn't easy...but it's only this bad if you're having an AWFUL month! C'mon.

EDIT: And, I finished the month with $78 dollars, btw.
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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2011, 06:15:01 PM »

Yeah, I finished the month with $1,000-$1500 the two times I played.
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« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2011, 06:17:03 PM »

I've only had a year and a half period in my life where I made over $9/hr. Even making lower than that I kept up with my bills, had plenty of groceries, lived within a mile or two of work (in Chicago at that) and still had money left over for video games. Right now I would love even $7/hr.

In the game what killed me was the question about the credit cards. I've never had a credit card.
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« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2011, 06:31:47 PM »

I wound up with close to $1000 left over, but I am frugal.
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I wound up with close to $1000 left over, but I am frugal.

wow.

I am gonna have actually try the game.
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« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2011, 09:36:20 PM »

I wound up with close to $1000 left over, but I am frugal.
So do you also have all of the billing companies chasing you, have 1 can of beans left for the entire month, have a kid that's crying because you never go to his/her school plays....
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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2011, 09:43:10 PM »

Yes absolutely.   I could live on $9 an hour in real life. 

Word of advice, cheapen your bills and stay out of debt at all costs.  Even if it means living substandard for a while.
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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2011, 10:12:36 PM »

I've lived on $6 an hour and supported 3 children.  Lessons?  It's easier to lose what you really don't need in life and slowly build back than it is to try to hold on to those things that really don't matter.  My car was re-possessed, I took the bus and met some really wonderful humble people.  We very carefully ate on $25 a month - and had absolutely no frills.  I agree with sainthieu - it was absolutely hands down the best experience I've ever been through.  I recently told a friend of mine who is struggling that it was the best thing that ever happened to me.  Hands down.  It was hard and emotionally painful and draining - but I learned to thrive relying on Him.  It's amazing the provision that comes when you trust.

I agree with this completely.  We were in a desperate situation when my wife and I first got married.  Very very poor.  We learned how to save money in incredible ways.   Today since we still applied these frugal practices and with God's blessing, we are 100% out of debt on EVERYTHING.   That $9 an hour game was sort of weird because I was like "okay...." we could easily live on that today.   Best experience of my life (and one of the hardest) is being poor.
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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2011, 10:20:30 PM »

The biggest key to living frugally is to be debt free. It is also less expensive (for the most part) to make things yourself. I can make all the bread we eat in a week for all 6 of us at a cost of about fifty cents. Flour, water, salt and yeast are very inexpensive compared to bread at the bread outlet at $2 a loaf. If I shopped there for bread we would be spending closer to $10 a week on bread.

If we were on food stamps we would be given three times the amount of money we currently spend on food.

READ THIS POST anybody struggling to make ends meet.  Once you make your own bread, you will have a lifetime of savings.   We did this when we were very poor and today we make EVERYTHING that involves baking.  Bread, buns, donuts, cookies, cake, muffins, rolls, pies etc.   You can eat MEGA CHEAP if you simply just learn too cook.   Buy any meats that are on sale (near sell date) and freeze them if you don't need them.  Learn to save money on electricity, learn to save money on gas by hypermiling. 

Also if you have an ALDI near your home, you are blessed because that store is VERY cheap. 
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« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2011, 10:42:57 PM »

Make bread?

Recipe plz.
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« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2011, 10:49:03 PM »

Make bread?

Recipe plz.

This is the recipe for no knead bread:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/dining/081mrex.html

This evening my husband made rolls out of this recipe by adding some paprika, onion, italian seasoning and baking them on a pizza stone.
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Living on 6 dollars an hour raising 3 kids? I'm calling BS. Where on earth do you have such a cost of living to afford that?

I live in primetime surburbia where you can't even manage anything less than 60k a year. That's single BTW.

Sorry but peanut butter, ramen noodles, hot dogs, and rice isn't considered living.
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Was able to play this game just now, wasn't able to earlier, wouldnt let me. I choose the ware house job.  I had $283 left over for the month. The choices on the game were nowhere near my reality. I had 283 left over for the month. My actual rent is 250 a month, utilities around 40 (average over 12 months,my part, just recently moved in with my nephew, he has a house, and likes to have roomies, but all they wanted to do was party-he got tired of that), my actual cell bill is 50.21 every month for unlimited talk and text-I use cricket. My car insurance 2 months ago averaged 27.25 for 12 months (paid for  the next year 9/2012 ,makes it so much cheaper for me, I hold that amount out every check I get).  I get a gallon of milk at Aldi in Overland Park, it's 1.99 a gallon - cereal for $4?  . Um, my oatmeal is way cheaper that that.-  100 percent whole wheat bread 99 cents, and no name brands-always have shopped that way. A little over half way through the game, I started choosing not to do stuff cause it didn't apply to my own experience or actual costs for me.  Between my grandmother telling me to only live off half of what I bring home, my Dad saying always put a car payment into a savings bank on the other side of town so it's hard to get it  for stupid stuff, then when you really need a car,. won't have to make payments with interest, Shopping aldi, then other stores, thrift stores, or clearance sales (kohl's love their clearance stuff) It really isn't that hard for me. After my divorce, yes, I had to work up to 3 jobs for a while, and I still work 2 jobs quite a bit, but such is life. (Now if quiting smoking were so easy!  LOL  Arrgghh!)
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mere subsistence should not be dignified with the name of living
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« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2011, 11:00:27 PM »

The point of the game is actually simulating what it is from someone who went from a good job to one that doesn't pay like it did.

mere subsistence should not be dignified with the name of living
So you are saying existence isn't justified by means of living?
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« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2011, 11:03:34 PM »

mere subsistence should not be dignified with the name of living

You mean man does not live by bread alone?
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« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2011, 11:05:51 PM »

Make bread?

Recipe plz.

I got this from a friend of mine, love the online magizine now. Mother Earth publish this a while ago. They state for approx 50 cents a day, and only takes 5 minutes to prep.  For me it averages maybe 62 cents per loaf when I make it, and I love it.

www.MotherEarthnews.com/Real-food/Atisanbread-In-Five-Minutes-A-Day.aspx
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The point of the game is actually simulating what it is from someone who went from a good job to one that doesn't pay like it did.

mere subsistence should not be dignified with the name of living
So you are saying existence isn't justified by means of living?

You need to change your avatar because now I'm confused about who is posting. Thanks.
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The point of the game is actually simulating what it is from someone who went from a good job to one that doesn't pay like it did.

mere subsistence should not be dignified with the name of living
So you are saying existence isn't justified by means of living?

You need to change your avatar because now I'm confused about who is posting. Thanks.

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« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2011, 11:36:19 PM »

Yes absolutely.   I could live on $9 an hour in real life. 

Word of advice, cheapen your bills and stay out of debt at all costs.  Even if it means living substandard for a while.


Sorry but peanut butter, ramen noodles, hot dogs, and rice isn't considered living.
I LOVE peanut butter, for breakfast, on a slice of heavy crusty toasted bread with tad of honey and a sprinkle of cinamen, one of my breakfast staples about half of the time, (or late night snacks), oatmeal for breakfast ,about the other half, with  brown sugar, and quite heavy on the cinamon, no milk, cream or butter-I know I'm werid, but love it! And I love rice, left over the next morning with cinomen, sugar and milk- or a late night snacke after working and getting home at 2 am!  But I agree with the Ramen noodles, yuck! Also my grandson and I love peanut butter on graham crackers as a snack with milk while talking about our day, or week, or what ever. I hope he never grows out of that!
                                  

Also if you have an ALDI near your home, you are blessed because that store is VERY cheap.  

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Just to be clear- even though the quote tag above says I said something about ALDI, I have no clue what ALDI is. The quote is messed up.
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Also if you have an ALDI near your home, you are blessed because that store is VERY cheap. 

Aldi is the new walmart. I heard some elderly people on the bus say so. And if there's anyone who knows about penny pinching, it's elderly people.
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« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2011, 01:06:34 AM »

Sorry but peanut butter, ramen noodles, hot dogs, and rice isn't considered living.

Replace peanut butter with Bowl O Noodles, and rice with diet soda, and keep ramen noodles and processed meat-like stuffs, and you pretty nailed my diet. Smiley
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Living on 6 dollars an hour raising 3 kids? I'm calling BS. Where on earth do you have such a cost of living to afford that?

I live in primetime surburbia where you can't even manage anything less than 60k a year. That's single BTW.

Sorry but peanut butter, ramen noodles, hot dogs, and rice isn't considered living.

Umm, in Chandler, AZ, my mom raised myself and three sisters - with a dog - for about $37,000 a year (this being in the mid-late 2000's).  We always had a bit more than enough, and (for the most part) lived in a house.  You happen to live in a very expensive place.
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« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2011, 01:58:55 AM »

Like many people in this thread, I've lived relatively comfortably on $9 an hour.
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Living on 6 dollars an hour raising 3 kids? I'm calling BS. Where on earth do you have such a cost of living to afford that?

I live in primetime surburbia where you can't even manage anything less than 60k a year. That's single BTW.

Sorry but peanut butter, ramen noodles, hot dogs, and rice isn't considered living.

Umm, in Chandler, AZ, my mom raised myself and three sisters - with a dog - for about $37,000 a year (this being in the mid-late 2000's).  We always had a bit more than enough, and (for the most part) lived in a house.  You happen to live in a very expensive place.

AZ is super cheap though.

Yeah I live pretty expensively to match my lifestyle.

If you don't make $20 an hour, forget moving on your own, and 20 bucks is bare mininum I'll say

That's why I want to get out of this city and move to somewhere cheaper. Then I can live super cheaply in a nice house and just make ridiciulous payments on a Porsche.
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« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2011, 06:27:34 AM »

I could probably live on $9 an hour if I didn't have those **** college loans to pay off.

For serious. I am so upset that I could basically be paying rent for an entire apartment. HATE IT. And while I'm making more than $9 an hour, almost 25% of my income is just for college loans. #$@#!
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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2011, 08:33:07 AM »

If you don't make $20 an hour, forget moving on your own, and 20 bucks is bare mininum I'll say

That's why I want to get out of this city and move to somewhere cheaper. Then I can live super cheaply in a nice house and just make ridiciulous payments on a Porsche.

Then do it.
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« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2011, 11:23:02 AM »

Also if you have an ALDI near your home, you are blessed because that store is VERY cheap. 

Aldi is the new walmart. I heard some elderly people on the bus say so. And if there's anyone who knows about penny pinching, it's elderly people.

LOL, Aldi has been around longer that walmart, at least in my area. Now oldest will 32 in month, and I shopped aldi when he was a toddler, way before there was Walmart, or even heard of one.
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mere subsistence should not be dignified with the name of living

You mean man does not live by bread alone?
You are a lawyer, so at least, comfortably middle class. Probably busy defending the interests of those with money. No go tell that to homeless and others that barely make enough to not die of starvation. Can you say the same inanity with a straight face ?
That's what makes me think that Christian spirituality is a sick cruel joke more often than not.
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« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2011, 12:27:37 PM »

Played it and when it got to the tooth thing, $400 root canal. Colleges that have a dentistry program do dental work for much less... Then it got to $30 to do laundry. If it costs that much to do laundry you simply have too many clothes. I think I would literally have to times the number of clothes I have by 20 to get anywhere near that.
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« Reply #73 on: October 06, 2011, 12:28:00 PM »

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mere subsistence should not be dignified with the name of living
So you are saying existence isn't justified by means of living?
Mere subsistence should never be given the name of life, since that would further justify exploitation. It should be called something else, as to indict those living off others' misery.
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« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2011, 12:29:48 PM »

Also if you have an ALDI near your home, you are blessed because that store is VERY cheap. 

Aldi is the new walmart. I heard some elderly people on the bus say so. And if there's anyone who knows about penny pinching, it's elderly people.

LOL, Aldi has been around longer that walmart, at least in my area. Now oldest will 32 in month, and I shopped aldi when he was a toddler, way before there was Walmart, or even heard of one.

Hey don't get on Americans for not knowing about Kraut-Mart! //:=)

I was surprised to see one pop up in Ohio. They are starting to thrive. Never been in one here.
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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2011, 12:32:20 PM »

In any case, this has truly been on of the more thought provoking threads on the OC.net.

Thanks again Quietmorning and Quinault.

Much of true substance to think about instead of typical blabbering I do.

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« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2011, 12:41:47 PM »

I stopped at the "lets hope you dont get sick" crap. If I want lefty BS I'll turn on MSNBC.

I also chuckled as the average restaurant server made $8/hour. Work 1 weekend evening shift at Applebee's and then tell me that. I made mad cash.

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I stopped at the "lets hope you dont get sick" crap. If I want lefty BS I'll turn on MSNBC.

I also chuckled as the average restaurant server made $8/hour. Work 1 weekend evening shift at Applebee's and then tell me that. I made mad cash.

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« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2011, 12:51:07 PM »

Also if you have an ALDI near your home, you are blessed because that store is VERY cheap. 

Aldi is the new walmart. I heard some elderly people on the bus say so. And if there's anyone who knows about penny pinching, it's elderly people.

LOL, Aldi has been around longer that walmart, at least in my area. Now oldest will 32 in month, and I shopped aldi when he was a toddler, way before there was Walmart, or even heard of one.

Hey don't get on Americans for not knowing about Kraut-Mart! //:=)

I was surprised to see one pop up in Ohio. They are starting to thrive. Never been in one here.
Eh, Aldi's is just okay. The food is really cheap and not too much choice.

I could probably do better shopping in the aisles at the back of your grocery store, but they have some good items. In Jersey it is solely for the ghetto for some reason.
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« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2011, 02:07:35 PM »

I made it with $825 to spare, enough left over even for the "rent's due tomorrow".  Of course, that was only by mooching off friends, but luckily I'm good at math so I could help my kid.  Smiley

In real life, I make far less than $9 per hour, but I mooch off of family, and don't have a kid to worry about.

One thing I would definitely do differently is not try to hang on to a house I couldn't afford if I were unemployed.  I would put it on the market as soon as I lost my job, and if it's worth less than the mortgage I would try to talk the lender into a short sale.

I also wouldn't wait until my savings were gone to get the $9 per hour job.  Smiley
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« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2011, 12:12:54 AM »

mere subsistence should not be dignified with the name of living

You mean man does not live by bread alone?
You are a lawyer, so at least, comfortably middle class. Probably busy defending the interests of those with money. No go tell that to homeless and others that barely make enough to not die of starvation. Can you say the same inanity with a straight face ?
That's what makes me think that Christian spirituality is a sick cruel joke more often than not.

We've been through this before ... I am a member of the middle and intellectual classes now, but it has not always been so.

I know what it's like to have near nothing and also what it's like to have more than that. Obviously I do not want to return to where I've been, but I am just irked by this notion that I only have what I have because I've exploited the less-fortunate and that I'm only where I am because I was so fortunate to be born this way, evil privileged white heterosexual male that I am. Reality is less black and white than the rhetoric of class conflict suggests -- certainly in places like Australia where we have socialised medicine and incredibly generous social welfare.

Of course, it is not good enough for us haves to simply wave away the suffering of the have-nots with a glib "oh well, man doesn't live my bread alone", but I can honestly say that I am no more happy and fulfilled today than I was before I was comfortably middle class and defending the interests of those with money (actually, I am a public lawyer, so I neither make lots of money nor work for those with lots of money). I truly believe that material comfort is no remedy for human misery. It does help, though.

I just bought my family tickets to go on an overseas holiday at the end of the year. It will be the first time they have been out of Sydney since they arrived here on boats back in the fifties. I am certainly grateful to God that I am now in a position to do this. Truthfully, I would trade all my degrees and my bourgeois inner city lifestyle to undo the crippling heartache I have been suffering these last few years for reasons I sha'n't bore you with.

Man really doesn't live by bread alone, and I would be glad to say that to the face of someone on US$9.00/hour, I promise you, though perhaps not with the sense of snide derision you imagine.
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« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2011, 12:54:19 AM »

Sing it, Akimori! My parents came to the US in the 80s, my father uneducated and both of them dirt poor. They are now quite comfortable and my mother is very successful in her field.

My family was considered poor for the first few years of my life, before their careers took off. I refuse to think less of their achievements or their understanding of living in poverty (my mother much more so) because they were able to increase their wealth.

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Sing it, Akimori! My parents came to the US in the 80s, my father uneducated and both of them dirt poor. They are now quite comfortable and my mother is very successful in her field.

My family was considered poor for the first few years of my life, before their careers took off. I refuse to think less of their achievements or their understanding of living in poverty (my mother much more so) because they were able to increase their wealth.

Sometimes I wonder if Augustin purposely turns down job promotions or offers, just so he can maintain his street cred and scorn the bourgeoisie from his small apartment.

We Asians understand the value of hard work.
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« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2011, 01:13:18 AM »

Sing it, Akimori! My parents came to the US in the 80s, my father uneducated and both of them dirt poor. They are now quite comfortable and my mother is very successful in her field.

My family was considered poor for the first few years of my life, before their careers took off. I refuse to think less of their achievements or their understanding of living in poverty (my mother much more so) because they were able to increase their wealth.

Sometimes I wonder if Augustin purposely turns down job promotions or offers, just so he can maintain his street cred and scorn the bourgeoisie from his small apartment.

We Asians understand the value of hard work.
And others dont?
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« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2011, 01:15:07 AM »

Sing it, Akimori! My parents came to the US in the 80s, my father uneducated and both of them dirt poor. They are now quite comfortable and my mother is very successful in her field.

My family was considered poor for the first few years of my life, before their careers took off. I refuse to think less of their achievements or their understanding of living in poverty (my mother much more so) because they were able to increase their wealth.

Sometimes I wonder if Augustin purposely turns down job promotions or offers, just so he can maintain his street cred and scorn the bourgeoisie from his small apartment.

We Asians understand the value of hard work.
And others dont?

I was not being serious. I wouldn't have said anything if I thought my self-deprecation wasn't obvious -- apologies!

The sad part is, I am drinking bubble tea as I type this.
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« Reply #85 on: October 07, 2011, 01:15:30 AM »

Sing it, Akimori! My parents came to the US in the 80s, my father uneducated and both of them dirt poor. They are now quite comfortable and my mother is very successful in her field.

My family was considered poor for the first few years of my life, before their careers took off. I refuse to think less of their achievements or their understanding of living in poverty (my mother much more so) because they were able to increase their wealth.

Sometimes I wonder if Augustin purposely turns down job promotions or offers, just so he can maintain his street cred and scorn the bourgeoisie from his small apartment.

We Asians understand the value of hard work.
And others dont?

PS: I'm not actually Asian.
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« Reply #86 on: October 07, 2011, 01:17:02 AM »

LOL yeah I was wondering about that since I didn't think you were asian yourself.
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« Reply #87 on: October 07, 2011, 01:36:51 AM »

Also if you have an ALDI near your home, you are blessed because that store is VERY cheap. 

Aldi is the new walmart. I heard some elderly people on the bus say so. And if there's anyone who knows about penny pinching, it's elderly people.

LOL, Aldi has been around longer that walmart, at least in my area. Now oldest will 32 in month, and I shopped aldi when he was a toddler, way before there was Walmart, or even heard of one.

In my world we had generic grocery stores with "food" in the title (Food Lion, Foodland, etc.), and Kmarts and GeeBees and Janesways and such. This sad state of affairs continued through the 80s and early 90s. Then Walmart came in the mid-90s and conquered all the others and provided a better option--the only option needed. This Aldi thing is a new thing for us, an unwanted foreigner who can barely speak our language, an illegal alien who should be happy that we don't beat them with their own shoes, and they are lucky to even be allowed land to sell their haphazardly acquired merchandise.

Or... um... well that's how I remember things and see them. Don't confuse me with the truth.
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« Reply #88 on: October 07, 2011, 10:48:54 AM »

I stopped at the "lets hope you dont get sick" crap.

Do you honestly think that anyone making that kind of income can afford any kind of health insurance?
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« Reply #89 on: October 07, 2011, 10:50:55 AM »

Sing it, Akimori! My parents came to the US in the 80s, my father uneducated and both of them dirt poor. They are now quite comfortable and my mother is very successful in her field.

My family was considered poor for the first few years of my life, before their careers took off. I refuse to think less of their achievements or their understanding of living in poverty (my mother much more so) because they were able to increase their wealth.

Sometimes I wonder if Augustin purposely turns down job promotions or offers, just so he can maintain his street cred and scorn the bourgeoisie from his small apartment.

We Asians understand the value of hard work.
And others dont?


I was not being serious. I wouldn't have said anything if I thought my self-deprecation wasn't obvious -- apologies!

The sad part is, I am drinking bubble tea as I type this.
LOL you Japanese wannabe. (I say that with love.)

For the record, my father was from Eastern Europe from one of the many families that suffered under Communism. And no, they weren't rich before. He is now one of those people who think everyone who supports a government program is a socialist. However, after hearing about his past, I can't blame him (although we argue about the issue all the time).  Undecided
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« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2011, 01:22:06 PM »

I stopped at the "lets hope you dont get sick" crap.

Do you honestly think that anyone making that kind of income can afford any kind of health insurance?
When I got sick and made that kind of money, I went to the hospital, got seen, and set up a cheap payment plan until they got paid off. If the line was too long, I went to the free clinic, got seen, went home, and the pillars of the world did not collapse.

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« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2011, 01:25:43 PM »

I stopped at the "lets hope you dont get sick" crap.

Do you honestly think that anyone making that kind of income can afford any kind of health insurance?
When I got sick and made that kind of money, I went to the hospital, got seen, and set up a cheap payment plan until they got paid off. If the line was too long, I went to the free clinic, got seen, went home, and the pillars of the world did not collapse.

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What kind of surgery did you get?
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« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2011, 01:32:17 PM »

Here in NY we are fortunate enough to have a government sponsored low income medical insurance called Healthy NY.  I know many people who have taken advantage of it. this was available before OC.
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« Reply #93 on: October 07, 2011, 01:36:08 PM »

I stopped at the "lets hope you dont get sick" crap.

Do you honestly think that anyone making that kind of income can afford any kind of health insurance?
When I got sick and made that kind of money, I went to the hospital, got seen, and set up a cheap payment plan until they got paid off. If the line was too long, I went to the free clinic, got seen, went home, and the pillars of the world did not collapse.

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What kind of surgery did you get?

I blew out my left elbow in the ring. I also never head any doctor say, "Well champ, you got cancer...but with no insurance all I can say is that my uncle is a mortician, heres his card...."
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« Reply #94 on: October 07, 2011, 01:37:43 PM »

Perhaps the moral of the story (and I don't see much point in this game, since it's my life) is that most of us can get by on a little less and save a little more. There are many tips and tricks and strategies that can help us. Thank God I didn't have to learn these hard lessons as an adult, but benefited from the counsel and example of those Queens of Thrift, my two great-grandmothers, my grandmother and mother. Those women were amazing!
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I stopped at the "lets hope you dont get sick" crap.

Do you honestly think that anyone making that kind of income can afford any kind of health insurance?
When I got sick and made that kind of money, I went to the hospital, got seen, and set up a cheap payment plan until they got paid off. If the line was too long, I went to the free clinic, got seen, went home, and the pillars of the world did not collapse.

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What kind of surgery did you get?

I blew out my left elbow in the ring. Anymore snarky questions?

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« Reply #96 on: October 07, 2011, 01:42:50 PM »

I stopped at the "lets hope you dont get sick" crap.

Do you honestly think that anyone making that kind of income can afford any kind of health insurance?
When I got sick and made that kind of money, I went to the hospital, got seen, and set up a cheap payment plan until they got paid off. If the line was too long, I went to the free clinic, got seen, went home, and the pillars of the world did not collapse.

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What kind of surgery did you get?

I blew out my left elbow in the ring. Anymore snarky questions?

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No surgery? Lucky you.
Only half lucky. I left my victim coat at the dry cleaners.

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« Reply #97 on: October 07, 2011, 02:07:25 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I'm spartan about spending, I could beat all of y'all, even the good Father Peter at this game, however, I live in Los Angeles, and the only way you can actually live on a sole income of $9/hour is to

(a) work 75 hours a week (and I've both done it and know folks who do it everyday of their lives)

(b) supplement your income with the purchase of an unregistered firearm and a rag to cover your face, pulling licks bare-faced doesn't have a long term projection for success Wink

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« Reply #98 on: October 07, 2011, 02:08:30 PM »

Icon, sorry for sounding like a jerk. Im in a really bad mood. Nothing personal mate.

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$213 at the end. I like how there were things like birthday parties you had to go to, but nothing where you received the gifts/cash. Also, there was no option for a family loan.

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You might be able to squeak by if you can a) live with family who charge you little or nothing, b) work at least 40 hours per week, no exceptions c) and can find a discount food place. Otherwise, you're in big trouble. With the cost of rent in the U.S. averaging $700-1000+ per month per person, in many places, it's either pay up or... else. People don't pay an arm and a leg for basic living costs because they think it's tons of fun. They do it because that's what landlords are charging.
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« Reply #101 on: October 08, 2011, 05:25:34 PM »

You can actually make money at the end of the month if you lose all your morals.
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« Reply #102 on: October 08, 2011, 09:33:29 PM »

You might be able to squeak by if you can a) live with family who charge you little or nothing, b) work at least 40 hours per week, no exceptions c) and can find a discount food place. Otherwise, you're in big trouble. With the cost of rent in the U.S. averaging $700-1000+ per month per person, in many places, it's either pay up or... else. People don't pay an arm and a leg for basic living costs because they think it's tons of fun. They do it because that's what landlords are charging.

This sounds about right.
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« Reply #103 on: October 23, 2011, 05:49:24 PM »

No, a Big Mac is closer to $5 I think (I don't eat at McDonalds much). I do recall that when my husband and I were first married a Big mac was closer to $2 I think.

About $6 here for just the sandwich.

Had to drop by a McDs in the hood today. $3.39 for the sandwich. I knew there was no way they were going for $6.
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« Reply #104 on: October 23, 2011, 05:55:44 PM »

It's all about the Royale with cheese.
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« Reply #105 on: October 23, 2011, 06:45:32 PM »

No, a Big Mac is closer to $5 I think (I don't eat at McDonalds much). I do recall that when my husband and I were first married a Big mac was closer to $2 I think.

About $6 here for just the sandwich.

Had to drop by a McDs in the hood today. $3.39 for the sandwich. I knew there was no way they were going for $6.
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« Reply #106 on: October 23, 2011, 10:32:58 PM »

Who gets their food from McDonald's when you're on a tight budget?  Huh

You might be able to squeak by if you can a) live with family who charge you little or nothing,
Or live with roommates.

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In the city it is more expensive, true.  You might want to check the rent in the "hood" Orthonorm loves referencing, rent is about half there.  Hell you could buy a house for 1000 in East Cleveland.

It is perfectly feasible to walk out of the grocer with $30 for a week's worth of nutritious meals.  It helps to ask kindly for any "discounted food," you know, bad meat and stale bread.  If you work in the hospitality or restaurant biz I'd eat whatever your boss would turn a blind eye to.  Say a customer had a tomato on her big mac, and she didn't want to just take the tomato off but wanted a whole new sandwich.  You're supposed to throw it away, but the manager has better things to do than tail you to the storage room while you scarf it down.  Maybe a chef will have you meet him around back by the dumpsters with freezerburned ice cream or the stumps of broccoli.

The real question is, can spoiled Europeans and North Americans live even close to something like how the rest of the world lives?

*EDIT*- I'm starting to play the game now.  Working in the Warehouse seems great, you'd have good hours to work a second shift at another job in the morning, maybe like the prep crew at macdonalds.  Your kid can latchkey themselves well enough while you're gone before/after school.

I'm surprised those jobs only pay 9$ an hour though.  Many temp and warehouse jobs were going for 11-14 this summer in Cleveland, not exactly a high cost-of-living city.

*EDIT2*- lol $600+ dollars a month for rent living out in the boonies?  Get real...  And just because you're closer to the city doesn't mean you're living in a nice townhouse ($800?).
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You can't buy rice as a poor person?  Sounds like this game is playing with a stacked deck... >.>

Only 3 cans of beans too.  LOL.
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FantaLimon, let's think about demographics, here.  A cruddy, one room studio in NYC for $1,200 is a steal. Of course it changes with the part you are talking about, but $800 in my city (a very small city in the SE US) will get you a two bedroom apartment. That's considered a steal here.
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« Reply #109 on: October 23, 2011, 11:25:46 PM »

Or you can extreme coupon.

But srsly you can keep the freezerburned brocolli and ice cream to yourself, id rather spend the few extra bucks to get it fresh.
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Where's the family, where's the spouse, why did this person go to college after having a child without being able to finance it nor being able to capitalize on their investment (network or do something with those 4 years)?  Why does this person only work one job, why does this person insist on owning a smartphone, why do they refuse to buy rice, why do they have a lease on a car, why does their mother only show up to ask for money for "medicine"?


But srsly you can keep the freezerburned brocolli and ice cream to yourself, id rather spend the few extra bucks to get it fresh.
Freezerburned ice cream and stumps of (fresh) broccoli for free is a good deal.  Sad to hear you're above that, you could have saved a few bucks here and there.
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« Reply #111 on: October 23, 2011, 11:49:29 PM »

It's how I was raised. You get used to having 3 hot fresh meals a day, it's almost impossible to lower your standards.
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« Reply #112 on: October 23, 2011, 11:55:21 PM »

It's how I was raised. You get used to having 3 hot fresh meals a day, it's almost impossible to lower your standards.
Well, if you're poor, then you'd have to skimp in some way!

I had three hot meals a day, too. It was a package of spam, canned corn, and some rice that I had to make last several days. Hot? Yes. Fresh? Nol But you've got to do what you've got to do when the money is low...

I think it is much easier to do it single. I am having a heart attack imagining a child in the picture of our current financial situation. It's do-able but more cuts are needed.

And I shouldn't even be talking. I could at least afford a few small, cheap treats here and there. Others don't have that luxury.
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« Reply #113 on: October 23, 2011, 11:59:05 PM »

It's how I was raised. You get used to having 3 hot fresh meals a day, it's almost impossible to lower your standards.
Well, if you're poor, then you'd have to skimp in some way!

I had three hot meals a day, too. It was a package of spam, canned corn, and some rice that I had to make last several days. Hot? Yes. Fresh? Nol But you've got to do what you've got to do when the money is low...

I think it is much easier to do it single. I am having a heart attack imagining a child in the picture of our current financial situation. It's do-able but more cuts are needed.

And I shouldn't even be talking. I could at least afford a few small, cheap treats here and there. Others don't have that luxury.
Packaged spam was an absolute no in my household, in fact I never got to try spam until I was 21 were it was commonplace at a house I was living in. I actually liked it alot with the rice too.

But seriously I'm talking about full course meals that actually aren't made from a box. Beyond spoiled.
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I swear that potted meats were a luxury in our house. Spam being the most common and Devil's Food meats being the indulgence.

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I swear that potted meats were a luxury in our house. Spam being the most common and Devil's Food meats being the indulgence.


It's depending on how many you're feeding, obviously. Spam for 8 people would run about $14.

The addendum to my story is that I didn't have a working fridge at the time (got sick several times, actually), so buying bulk chicken or whatever and freezing it was out of the question. The menu was more restricted than normal.
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« Reply #116 on: October 24, 2011, 12:07:10 AM »

That reminds me of deviled ham was it that you make sandwiches out of?

Took awhile to get used to that taste.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Underwood_Company
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I swear that potted meats were a luxury in our house. Spam being the most common and Devil's Food meats being the indulgence.


It's depending on how many you're feeding, obviously. Spam for 8 people would run about $14.

The addendum to my story is that I didn't have a working fridge at the time (got sick several times, actually), so buying bulk chicken or whatever and freezing it was out of the question. The menu was more restricted than normal.

Vienna sausages were also the height of culinary achievement as times as a kid. I would eat them right out of the can with the gelatinous fat.

All of the above were purchased "scratch and dent", if and when we went to the grocery store.
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« Reply #119 on: October 24, 2011, 12:19:56 AM »

I swear that potted meats were a luxury in our house. Spam being the most common and Devil's Food meats being the indulgence.


It's depending on how many you're feeding, obviously. Spam for 8 people would run about $14.

The addendum to my story is that I didn't have a working fridge at the time (got sick several times, actually), so buying bulk chicken or whatever and freezing it was out of the question. The menu was more restricted than normal.

Vienna sausages were also the height of culinary achievement as times as a kid. I would eat them right out of the can with the gelatinous fat.

All of the above were purchased "scratch and dent", if and when we went to the grocery store.
Vienna Sausages are A-MAZING.

Especially with Spagettios.
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« Reply #120 on: October 24, 2011, 12:20:19 AM »

Ugh, vienna sausages! Did not like those when I was a child and I used to eat them off of my grandfather's plate (our culture has a weird taste for canned meat, fried eggs, and rice, even though my relatives are financially comfortable).

I CANNOT eat the Spam unless it's fried. Mr. Ismi called me a diva.

Maybe I should fry the sausages.
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« Reply #121 on: October 24, 2011, 12:21:17 AM »

Ugh, vienna sausages! Did not like those when I was a child and I used to eat them off of my grandfather's plate (our culture has a weird taste for canned meat, fried eggs, and rice, even though my relatives are financially comfortable).

I CANNOT eat the Spam unless it's fried. Mr. Ismi called me a diva.

Maybe I should fry the sausages.
No Spam on a pan? Come on...
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I swear that potted meats were a luxury in our house. Spam being the most common and Devil's Food meats being the indulgence.


It's depending on how many you're feeding, obviously. Spam for 8 people would run about $14.

The addendum to my story is that I didn't have a working fridge at the time (got sick several times, actually), so buying bulk chicken or whatever and freezing it was out of the question. The menu was more restricted than normal.

Vienna sausages were also the height of culinary achievement as times as a kid. I would eat them right out of the can with the gelatinous fat.

All of the above were purchased "scratch and dent", if and when we went to the grocery store.
Vienna Sausages are A-MAZING.

Especially with Spagettios.

Dude, there is a sever year old me making dinner for my brother, who loves you for that.

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« Reply #123 on: October 24, 2011, 12:29:09 AM »

So Ismi,

Any recommendations for a Rice Cooker?

I want one.
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« Reply #124 on: October 24, 2011, 12:35:09 AM »

We usually get ours from the Chinese markets, so...I have absolutely no idea as to those that my family use in the house.

A tip, though. We purchased a small Black and Decker, more from what we could get at the moment than anything else.  It has a glass lid that you just set on top of it. Do NOT get that one, because if you're putting the proper amount of water in (3 cups of rice, slightly past the 3 line in the cooker, a little mushy but still good, my preferred rice), it will shoot out the water absolutely everywhere.  I need to cover everything within a foot away from the rice cooker, because the rice water covers EVERYTHING.

Get one with a good shut lid. And I've used several cookers during college, and if you know what you're doing, the make doesn't matter too much, IMO. Something like this (Aroma - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HKFE8G/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001KBY9M8&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1BJARAR5J5RYSGDG75YM) with a lid that snaps shut, is perfect.
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« Reply #125 on: October 24, 2011, 12:36:08 AM »

So Ismi,

Any recommendations for a Rice Cooker?

I want one.

Pots work well. But if you want the real thing in terms of gadgets, one word:

Zojirushi

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Enjoy.

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« Reply #126 on: October 24, 2011, 12:39:10 AM »

Cooking it in pots is an art, IMO. Either I'm a really awful cook or what, because to get rice at my perfectly-mushy state, it took me several months to perfect that technique. It involves a lot of stand over the stove, stirring, covering, uncovering, moving, etc.

But I'd rather do that than minute rice.

And your name is not Ismi, last time I checked.  Tongue
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« Reply #127 on: October 24, 2011, 12:48:01 AM »

Cooking it in pots is an art, IMO. Either I'm a really awful cook or what, because to get rice at my perfectly-mushy state, it took me several months to perfect that technique. It involves a lot of stand over the stove, stirring, covering, uncovering, moving, etc.

But I'd rather do that than minute rice.

And your name is not Ismi, last time I checked.  Tongue

But I cookeded better.
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« Reply #128 on: October 24, 2011, 12:50:36 AM »

Listen, I can pour water and rice into a pot, press a button, and walk away like a boss. Let me bask in my expertise of non-existent cooking skills.
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« Reply #129 on: October 24, 2011, 01:00:52 AM »

Gotta love Rice a Roni in a pot.

But seriously I've been craving white rice forever.
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« Reply #130 on: October 24, 2011, 01:04:32 AM »

Rice a Roni can be awesome, but I had to quit the stuff when I saw that it had almost my entire daily sodium requirement in one box. And really, I finished a box across three meals in a day. Haven't had one in years but I crave it occasionally.
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« Reply #131 on: October 24, 2011, 01:14:07 AM »

Well that's the thing too, especially with TV Dinners is the sodium count. One of my favorite lazy dishes is getting a bag of Bertolli's but the sodium is like 52% of the daily value or something crazy.
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Man.. counting calories is hard enough

Who cares about sodium?  First they don't want you eating junk food, but then the TV dinners are perfectly portion sized.  Then somehow they have too much sodium, therefore that's bad for you -- generally everything that's easy and convenient to make is bad!! How frustrating..  Cry
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« Reply #133 on: October 24, 2011, 01:34:16 AM »

Man.. counting calories is hard enough

Who cares about sodium?  First they don't want you eating junk food, but then the TV dinners are perfectly portion sized.  Then somehow they have too much sodium, therefore that's bad for you -- generally everything that's easy and convenient to make is bad!! How frustrating..  Cry
The problem with me is I live in a climate that is so dry and a past medication has caused me to be severly hydrated, so I gotta lower the sodium intake and get more water in my body.

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« Reply #134 on: October 24, 2011, 02:05:33 AM »

I have that rice cooker Ismi! I really like it.

Although you can stand over a stove to cook rice, I don't do that. My rice cooker also steams veggies too, which is the best way to make your baby food. When I am making rice I typically have 2 or more other components involved in the meal as well. I currently have ONE working stove element, so the rice cooker is essential.

I must say that everyone should really make their own teriyaki sauce though-MMMMMMM
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« Reply #135 on: October 24, 2011, 02:11:15 AM »

I must say that everyone should really make their own teriyaki sauce though-MMMMMMM

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« Reply #136 on: October 24, 2011, 02:15:54 AM »

Yummy teriyaki sauce

1 cup soy sauce
1 cup ruby red grapefruit juice
1/3 cup hoisin sauce
1/4 cup ketchup
3 tablespoons rice wine vinegar
1/4 cup brown sugar, packed
1 tablespoon ground ginger
1 habanero pepper, halved and seeded
4 cloves garlic, smashed
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Combine soy sauce, grapefruit juice, hoisin sauce, ketchup, rice wine vinegar, brown sugar, ginger, habanero pepper, and garlic in a saucepan over medium high heat. Bring to a boil, then reduce heat to medium-low, and simmer 10 minutes, or until thick, stirring occasionally. Strain sauce to remove pepper and garlic. Refrigerate in a covered container until ready to use.


Although I like to use half low sodium, half regular soy sauce and I add some fresh ginger and extra peppers. I marinate the meat in this mixture as long as possible. You have to make sure to get real grapefruit juice, not the grapefruit cocktails.
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« Reply #137 on: October 24, 2011, 02:19:18 AM »

You had me sold at habanero.
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« Reply #138 on: October 24, 2011, 02:21:50 AM »

I actually have some powdered habanero that came free with an order from "My Spice Sage." I use small amounts in chili and such. But the smoked salt they have? Ooooh, I think smoked salt on a slice of tomato, with a little mozzarella and a leaf of basil might be one of my favorite snacks.
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« Reply #139 on: October 24, 2011, 02:34:20 AM »

I actually have some powdered habanero that came free with an order from "My Spice Sage." I use small amounts in chili and such. But the smoked salt they have? Ooooh, I think smoked salt on a slice of tomato, with a little mozzarella and a leaf of basil might be one of my favorite snacks.
Slice of tomato, salt from a spice sage, mozzarella and a leaf of basil, as a snack?

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« Reply #140 on: October 24, 2011, 02:49:26 AM »

Salt was free with an order of spices from a website. Spices in general cost more in the store by the jar than they do by weight online (even including shipping). You can find Basil and tomatoes extremely cheap in my area at Grocery Outlet.

Tomato- 25 cents,
Mozz (enough for a pizza) $3.00 so a slice is like 10 cents?
Basil- uber cheap to free in my area. Maybe another 10 cents? I use fresh basil when cooking. A package of basil is around $4, and covers multiple meals.
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My seemingly "expensive" snack cost me about 35 cents. If I ate an entire tomato sliced up with mozz/basil/salt it would be $1.75

I believe the salt came free with some indian spices that I bought. The spices last for over a year and cost me 1/10th they would in the store when you price by volume/weight. You can grow your own fresh herbs really cheap. I can buy a living basil plant for $4 and it will last just about forever.


We make our pizza from scratch and cook it on a terra cotta garden dish. A whole pizza including toppings and everything to make the dough is about $5 at the max. But that is a really tricked out pizza with fresh tomatoes, cheese, olives, mushrooms, meat, seasoning etc. A cheap pizza we could make for like $2 or so. We are a family of 6, so these aren't the tiny frozen pizzas that you can pick up for $1.
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« Reply #141 on: October 24, 2011, 02:54:30 AM »

A good example is sea salt actually. A shaker of sea salt in the store is normally at least $3-5. I can buy 10x more sea salt in bulk than I can in a shaker. So a shaker worth of salt costs me roughly 50 cents. The little things like spices really do add up in the budget. I would be paying $30-50 for all the shakers if I didn't buy in bulk.
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« Reply #142 on: October 24, 2011, 02:57:20 AM »

Lol I was making fun of your snack which is a litle more on the gourmet side compared to a vienna sausage, it wasn't supposed to be taking literally.

Salt in bulk huh? That sounds like a good idea. Pizza from scratch is usually bomb.
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« Reply #143 on: October 24, 2011, 03:01:48 AM »

Spices in bulk in general are the bomb. They are fresher and the quality is much higher. Cinnamon and Cayenne are good examples of a spices that should only be bought in bulk. You pay more for a lower quality product by the bottle compared to bulk. In the case of cinnamon in particular you may not ever really be getting real cinnamon. I make my own garam masala too Smiley
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« Reply #144 on: October 24, 2011, 03:03:12 AM »

If you have left over rice in a pot, you can just add milk to slightly or a small bit over covering the rice, cook until a little milk has evaporated add (so it has a chance too to be absorbed by the rice), stirring occasionally, and add a bit of sugar and cinnamon to taste and you have rice pudding either for breakfast the next day or for dessert.

My local middle eastern market has better deals on herbs than grocery stores.

Lemon juice can sometimes season up a plain meal without adding salt or spices. I do this when eating fish with rice and veggies.
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« Reply #145 on: October 24, 2011, 10:22:30 AM »

If you have left over rice in a pot, you can just add milk to slightly or a small bit over covering the rice, cook until a little milk has evaporated add (so it has a chance too to be absorbed by the rice), stirring occasionally, and add a bit of sugar and cinnamon to taste and you have rice pudding either for breakfast the next day or for dessert.

My local middle eastern market has better deals on herbs than grocery stores.

Lemon juice can sometimes season up a plain meal without adding salt or spices. I do this when eating fish with rice and veggies.
Lemon juice is my salad dressing with some black pepper. amazing.

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« Reply #146 on: October 25, 2011, 08:26:00 PM »

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« Reply #147 on: October 25, 2011, 09:55:59 PM »

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