You are saying what I am thinking much more eloquently than I ever could.
If we remain and continue in Jesus' words we will know the truth and that is a promise John 8:31-32, 2 Timothy 1:13, 2 Timothy 3:7. God reveals Himself and information about Himself: Paul's Gospel came through a revelation of Jesus Christ Galatians 1:12. And many passages tell us that God has spoken the words of Scripture. Old Testament quotations are introduced in the New Testament. Jesus said David was inspired by the Spirit Matthew 22:43. Peter said "the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David" Acts 1:16. Hebrews 3:7 says "as the Holy Spirit says."
Yes, but Isaiah 23:13 says clearly what John 15:3 testifies, namely that there is much folly in the world as Exodus 12:19 promises. Bible Bible Bible without Christian historical context BIBLE BIBLE BIBLE MONSTER GRRRRRR!
Refraining from being offensive as I possibly can, I think of it as a Bible machine gun. Firing verses at us, at God, with little to no regard to context. Not that the argument is always wrong, but the methodology leaves something to be desired.
Why would you want to create an "us" and them situation? I am discussing with one person about whether the bible words are living and Holy Spirit inspired. My citations are both in context and relevant. You might be refraining from being offensive <why there's a need to be offensive anyway is beyond me> but you are coming across as hostile.
There are many many references in scripture that show the Holy Spirit has given the words and that the words are inspired of God, too many to post whole chapters and paragraphs one after another. When people aren't short and to the point on forums, it's difficult for others to read a long post. Just because you see the scriptures posted for reference, please don't assume i haven't checked the context of them.
The reason i only quote the verse is because i know i am chatting to experienced Christians on the whole who would know the scriptures and the surrounding context and who don't have to be spoon fed.
I've yet to see a post from you that goes into scripture in any depth so why you would attack mine i have no idea.
If you want to go this way, I can as well.
Are you saying that there is something wrong with me that my posts don't go into scripture in any depth? Let's start here.
First of all, I came from a church that when I would ask questions, all I would do is get a list of Bible verses in return. No consideration of context, nothing. I used to recite verses about healing each morning as if they were magical powers (my spiritual mother and friends recommended that I do so). I used to give the same advice to friends.
For two years I read nothing BUT the Bible (in terms of religious works) because I thought that the authors in my movement were selling a lot of hogwash and I didn't know where to turn. Now, my long-term memory or ANYTHING is pretty poor (which is why my posts generally don't have any factual substance), but believe you me, I read the Bible.
I don't quote verses because like you said, people here are pretty familiar with the verses, even if they cannot identify them right off or don't know which books they came from. I can quote verses in a situation, although I can't place them right off. No, that's not a good thing, but God and I am working on my memory. But I am more interested in what is underneath. And no, I don't comment on scripture because I said multiple times here that I feel like I'm at a place where I don't know enough to speak on the text with real authority. I can pull out verses like the best of you, with a concordance in my left hand, but that's not good enough for me anymore.
So I'm reading, listening, studying. So, if you went through my posts and didn't find me quoting scripture anywhere, that is my explanation.
And yes, I have an admittedly visceral reaction to people just spouting verses all the time. If I may quote Frank Schaeffer, whose views are...well...overly passionate at best and unnecessarily aggressive at worst...he had what I believe was a very good point with this quote from Crazy For God
:The logic of those prayers, if one was reading between the lines, was something like this:
"Dear Heavenly Father, in Your Word You say that when two or three are gathered together, You will be in the midst of them. Well, we're gathered here, so do what we're telling You to do because we have You over a barrel and can quote Your own books back at you! And in case You're thinking of weaseling out of this deal, we claim Your promises, and because You can't break any of those since You wrote it all in the Bible, You'll do what we say, and You'll do it NOW! AMEN!"
That verse hit me so hard because that's been my life for the past years. I want to go deeper now. I will be the first to admit that my understanding of the Bible is quite limited, based on how much I want to know. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everyone's method of discussing issues by basing it on an exhaustive list of verses with no explanation or justification. I can do that on Bible Gateway very well.