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I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps... - More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?) - Better after-service meals - More emotional and vibrant songs - More chance of hooking up Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible? Evangelicals read their bibles more on average, that's a fact. Not entirely irreversible, though. |
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Thanksgiving. (the American holiday)
come celebrate thanksgiving with the canadians, this monday. Half of my family is Canadian. Wouldn't Grandma be surprised if I showed up! Thanksgiving celebrations are a little weird now with the Nativity fast. The holiday is a big deal with my extended family and it just doesn't feel the same now. While there are things I can eat the experience of sitting and sharing a meal with my family is different now. Part of it is because my mother thinks the fasting is silly and my brother-in-law (who means no harm, but who lacks a few conventional social graces) seems to bring up the topic of me not eating turkey. I know that I am the one with the issue here. I just don't look forward to the holiday in the same way. Just your jurisdiction not allow for a pardon of the fast on Thanksgiving? Either way, fasting or not, I would just eat what I was offerered. |
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I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps... - More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?) - Better after-service meals - More emotional and vibrant songs - More chance of hooking up Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible? The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents? In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"? |
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Just your jurisdiction not allow for a pardon of the fast on Thanksgiving? Either way, fasting or not, I would just eat what I was offered.
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Just your jurisdiction not allow for a pardon of the fast on Thanksgiving? Either way, fasting or not, I would just eat what I was offered.
I thought that I heard somewhere that Orthodox in the US have a dispensation for that day only? Am I making that up? Ok, I guess I don't know. I will have to ask my priest. Sorry for the confusion. I'm reasonably sure that Archbishop Demetrios of GOA has said that, as well as Archbishop Dmitri, of blessed memory, for the Diocese of the South, OCA. |
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« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2011, 05:11:41 PM » |
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I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps... - More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?) - Better after-service meals - More emotional and vibrant songs - More chance of hooking up Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible? The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents? In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"? While I do hear much of what you're saying, I would also say that I have found passages that they skip over/don't memorize. For example, I recently quoted without specifically referencing Philippians 2:12 to a friend who grew up steeped in Bible memorization (again certain parts) who never learned or forgot this passage. Looking back on my tenure a Protestant, it almost seems as though John 6 was intentionally hidden by my mentors from me. |
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I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps... - More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?) - Better after-service meals - More emotional and vibrant songs - More chance of hooking up Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible? The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents? In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"? I remember those drills. We have similar Orthodox Bible competitions in the U.S. Thankfully this trend is turning. |
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While I do hear much of what you're saying, I would also say that I have found passages that they skip over/don't memorize. For example, I recently quoted without specifically referencing Philippians 2:12 to a friend who grew up steeped in Bible memorization (again certain parts) who never learned or forgot this passage. Looking back on my tenure a Protestant, it almost seems as though John 6 was intentionally hidden by my mentors from me.
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i miss being able to come to church in shorts, t-shirt, and a ball-cap
I miss the ATM like machines to pay my tithe by credit card.
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I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps... - More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?) - Better after-service meals - More emotional and vibrant songs - More chance of hooking up Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible? The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents? In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"? I had never heard the term "sword drills" I looked it up on line, and can say it seems a little more common in British and Commonwealth churches, though I did find an American site or two that mentioned them. Is this accurate? Anyway, I understand them to be sort of Bible flash card drill...I can appreciate it not a flash card, just a competition where someone shouts out a scripture reference and a bunch of students race to look it up. Good for remembering what book comes before what and how many chapters each book has. For a lot of fun have a former protestant driller look up OT passages in an Orthodox Study Bible. |
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I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.
i miss being able to come to church in shorts, t-shirt, and a ball-cap
I miss the ATM like machines to pay my tithe by credit card.
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I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.
Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles* but do you have baklava?  |
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« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2011, 02:48:51 PM » |
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I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.
Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles* Well, we have baklava, so I advise you to come over to the dark side. lol, u beat me to it, Ismi! |
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« Reply #88 on: October 05, 2011, 02:49:38 PM » |
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I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.
Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles* Well, we have baklava, so I advise you to come over to the dark side. I've never heard of it -- i am googling it to see what it looks like. ah google does not do such a sweet and heavenly pastry justice... |
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« Reply #89 on: October 05, 2011, 03:33:38 PM » |
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One thing I definitely DON'T miss is the contemporary Christian music.  Selam |
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