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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2011, 02:58:45 PM »
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2011, 03:01:46 PM »
I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible?

Evangelicals read their bibles more on average, that's a fact. Not entirely irreversible, though.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2011, 03:04:45 PM »
Thanksgiving.  (the American holiday)

come celebrate thanksgiving with the canadians, this monday.

Half of my family is Canadian.  Wouldn't Grandma be surprised if I showed up!  Thanksgiving celebrations are a little weird now with the Nativity fast.  The holiday is a big deal with my extended family and it just doesn't feel the same now.  While there are things I can eat the experience of sitting and sharing a meal with my family is different now.  Part of it is because my mother thinks the fasting is silly and my brother-in-law (who means no harm, but who lacks a few conventional social graces) seems to bring up the topic of me not eating turkey.  I know that I am the one with the issue here.  I just don't look forward to the holiday in the same way.

Just your jurisdiction not allow for a pardon of the fast on Thanksgiving? Either way, fasting or not, I would just eat what I was offerered.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2011, 03:26:21 PM »
I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible?

You? I would very much doubt it. The average pew warmer? Obviously yes.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2011, 03:48:57 PM »
Sooooooooo, thanksgiving (USA) = a no?

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2011, 03:51:30 PM »
I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible?
The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents?

In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"?

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2011, 03:52:46 PM »
I thought that I heard somewhere that Orthodox in the US have a dispensation for that day only?  ??? Am I making that up?
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2011, 03:56:07 PM »
Sooooooooo, thanksgiving (USA) = a no?

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You Americans have a lot to be thankful for. It's a big yes. I guess you're just going to have to figure out how to show your thankfulness.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2011, 04:16:25 PM »
I thought that I heard somewhere that Orthodox in the US have a dispensation for that day only?  ??? Am I making that up?

It depends on the jurisdiction and Bishop.  Some do, some don't...and then there's those who aren't even fasting yet on Thanksgiving  :laugh:

To the OP.

I really don't miss anything...except some of my friends.  I wish they'd  come with me, but so far no one has been interested. 

If I was very selfish I guess I would say I miss not having to think about what day it was and what I could have on the menu.


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« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2011, 05:01:07 PM »
Just your jurisdiction not allow for a pardon of the fast on Thanksgiving? Either way, fasting or not, I would just eat what I was offered.

I thought that I heard somewhere that Orthodox in the US have a dispensation for that day only?  ??? Am I making that up?

Ok, I guess I don't know.  I will have to ask my priest.  Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2011, 05:06:17 PM »
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+sacred+harp&view=detail&mid=A215F3FCACC59021A380A215F3FCACC59021A380&first=0&FORM=LKVR10

Sacred Harp singing.

It is unaccompanied - despite the name which refers to the hymnal, not the instrument. Sacred Harp singing is also called "shape note," or "fa so la," and is a style of singing taught in singing schools in England and colonial America to help people who couldn't read music sing choral music. It is haunting and very minor key. The words are sorrowful and full of suffering but also hope in God.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2011, 05:11:31 PM »
Just your jurisdiction not allow for a pardon of the fast on Thanksgiving? Either way, fasting or not, I would just eat what I was offered.

I thought that I heard somewhere that Orthodox in the US have a dispensation for that day only?  ??? Am I making that up?

Ok, I guess I don't know.  I will have to ask my priest.  Sorry for the confusion.

I'm reasonably sure that Archbishop Demetrios of GOA has said that, as well as Archbishop Dmitri, of blessed memory, for the Diocese of the South, OCA.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2011, 05:11:41 PM »
I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible?
The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents?

In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"?

While I do hear much of what you're saying, I would also say that I have found passages that they skip over/don't memorize. For example, I recently quoted without specifically referencing Philippians 2:12 to a friend who grew up steeped in Bible memorization (again certain parts) who never learned or forgot this passage. Looking back on my tenure a Protestant, it almost seems as though John 6 was intentionally hidden by my mentors from me.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2011, 05:29:51 PM »
Sooooooooo, thanksgiving (USA) = a no?

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I know the AOCA grants a dispensation for it (i.e. no fast on Thanksgiving).

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2011, 05:31:23 PM »
I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible?
The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents?

In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"?

I remember those drills. We have similar Orthodox Bible competitions in the U.S. Thankfully this trend is turning.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2011, 05:34:48 PM »
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+sacred+harp&view=detail&mid=A215F3FCACC59021A380A215F3FCACC59021A380&first=0&FORM=LKVR10

Sacred Harp singing.

It is unaccompanied - despite the name which refers to the hymnal, not the instrument. Sacred Harp singing is also called "shape note," or "fa so la," and is a style of singing taught in singing schools in England and colonial America to help people who couldn't read music sing choral music. It is haunting and very minor key. The words are sorrowful and full of suffering but also hope in God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaLnG7vfVOc

not bad, but i'd take Russian style chant over this anyday... ;)
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2011, 05:39:24 PM »
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+sacred+harp&view=detail&mid=A215F3FCACC59021A380A215F3FCACC59021A380&first=0&FORM=LKVR10

Sacred Harp singing.

It is unaccompanied - despite the name which refers to the hymnal, not the instrument. Sacred Harp singing is also called "shape note," or "fa so la," and is a style of singing taught in singing schools in England and colonial America to help people who couldn't read music sing choral music. It is haunting and very minor key. The words are sorrowful and full of suffering but also hope in God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaLnG7vfVOc

not bad, but i'd take Russian style chant over this anyday... ;)

It's kind of depressing that it took non-religious hipsters to keep the art form alive.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2011, 05:46:18 PM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2011, 05:46:55 PM »
i miss being able to come to church in shorts, t-shirt, and a ball-cap.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2011, 05:48:37 PM »
I miss the ATM like machines to pay my tithe by credit card.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2011, 07:13:02 PM »


While I do hear much of what you're saying, I would also say that I have found passages that they skip over/don't memorize. For example, I recently quoted without specifically referencing Philippians 2:12 to a friend who grew up steeped in Bible memorization (again certain parts) who never learned or forgot this passage. Looking back on my tenure a Protestant, it almost seems as though John 6 was intentionally hidden by my mentors from me.
No disagreement between us on these points. Another forgotten chapter is Luke 1. I'm sure that in 50 years I never heard a sermon with the Magnificat as the text.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2011, 07:15:39 PM »
I must admit I was a bit scandalized when I heard other converts say that they did not read the Bible as much as they did before; I definitely read it more than I did when I was a floating evangelical
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« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2011, 07:17:02 PM »
I miss the ATM like machines to pay my tithe by credit card.
Stop...If memory serves, I have seen those in the local GOC cathedral
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2011, 07:19:08 PM »
i miss being able to come to church in shorts, t-shirt, and a ball-cap.
I went to what I had been referred to as an early morning casual service at a medium sized UMC church in downtown Atlanta. Like you, I wore shorts and t-shirts. One day the wonderful minister very tactfully said "wow. I wish I could do that." I got the hint real fast
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #69 on: October 04, 2011, 07:24:02 PM »
I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible?
The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents?

In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"?

I had never heard the term "sword drills" I looked it up on line, and can say it seems a little more common in British and Commonwealth churches, though I did find an American site or two that mentioned them. Is this accurate? Anyway, I understand them to be sort of Bible flash card drill...I can appreciate it
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2011, 07:52:41 PM »
I miss the ATM like machines to pay my tithe by credit card.
Stop...If memory serves, I have seen those in the local GOC cathedral

whao... :o I'm totally there!

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2011, 08:04:01 PM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

i miss being able to come to church in shorts, t-shirt, and a ball-cap

I miss the ATM like machines to pay my tithe by credit card.

That'd be such a sweet place to worship God!  However... is the tithe based on net or gross? I couldn't attend a Church where the tithe was based on gross, that's just heretical.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2011, 08:15:18 PM »
I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible?
The Orthodox are quite up on reverence. I wonder if a better word might be "familiarity". Most life-long Orthodox I have met simply don't know their way around a Bible, can't name the books of the Bible, etc. Yes, they might recognize "Galatians" as being an Epistle, or "Luke" as being a Gospel - but hand them a Bible and ask them to look up a passage --- Where's the table of contents?

In our Protestant upbringing that was drilled into us. Anybody else remember "sword drills"?

I had never heard the term "sword drills" I looked it up on line, and can say it seems a little more common in British and Commonwealth churches, though I did find an American site or two that mentioned them. Is this accurate? Anyway, I understand them to be sort of Bible flash card drill...I can appreciate it
not a flash card, just a competition where someone shouts out a scripture reference and a bunch of students race to look it up. Good for remembering what book comes before what and how many chapters each book has. For a lot of fun have a former protestant driller look up OT passages in an Orthodox Study Bible.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2011, 08:28:02 PM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

i miss being able to come to church in shorts, t-shirt, and a ball-cap

I miss the ATM like machines to pay my tithe by credit card.

That'd be such a sweet place to worship God!  However... is the tithe based on net or gross? I couldn't attend a Church where the tithe was based on gross, that's just heretical.

thankfully the reverse-ATM machine isn't able to discern that... ;)
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2011, 08:55:10 PM »
I don't miss too many things about my former Lutheran heritage, but one thing I really do miss are the old German Lutheran chorales, sung with such gusto and played by a very assertive organist who varies the registration a little bit with each stanza. Here's an example from the Kaiser Wilhem Memorial Church in Berlin:

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« Reply #75 on: October 04, 2011, 09:23:47 PM »
I thought that I heard somewhere that Orthodox in the US have a dispensation for that day only?  ??? Am I making that up?

The OCA hierarchs give a blessing for it every year. I can't speak for every jurisdiction.
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« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2011, 01:07:57 AM »
I miss the ATM like machines to pay my tithe by credit card.

LOL no way.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #77 on: October 05, 2011, 07:18:56 AM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles*

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #78 on: October 05, 2011, 08:50:23 AM »
I can't think of a single thing I miss about Episcopal liturgy.  My first Orthodox service was a Festal Vespers for the Feast of the Transfiguration, and I knew from almost the moment I set foot in the door that there was no going back to the Episcopal Church.  In fact, above and beyond the magnificent beauty of Orthodox liturgy, one of the very great joys I found was NO ORGAN and no hymns per se, both of which grate my nerves and both of which are abundant in Episcopal liturgy.  This still makes me happy every time I think about it.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #79 on: October 05, 2011, 08:56:32 AM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles*


Well, we have baklava, so I advise you to come over to the dark side. ;)
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2011, 09:08:45 AM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles*


Well, we have baklava, so I advise you to come over to the dark side. ;)

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2011, 09:26:09 AM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles*


Well, we have baklava, so I advise you to come over to the dark side. ;)

Nah, galactoboureko - hands down winner. (Once after Pascha, some Greek Orthodox nuns made it for us with milk from their own cows, homemade butter and eggs from their own chickens. Talk about your religious experiences! ;))
Besides, in our parish, every so often, we have a wonderful man who brings Krispy Kremes for coffee hour.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #82 on: October 05, 2011, 09:27:58 AM »
I haven't tried it yet, but it looks yummy!

We have a lot of northern transplants, so Dunkin' Donuts is our poison.  ;D
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #83 on: October 05, 2011, 09:29:19 AM »
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+sacred+harp&view=detail&mid=A215F3FCACC59021A380A215F3FCACC59021A380&first=0&FORM=LKVR10

Sacred Harp singing.

It is unaccompanied - despite the name which refers to the hymnal, not the instrument. Sacred Harp singing is also called "shape note," or "fa so la," and is a style of singing taught in singing schools in England and colonial America to help people who couldn't read music sing choral music. It is haunting and very minor key. The words are sorrowful and full of suffering but also hope in God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaLnG7vfVOc

not bad, but i'd take Russian style chant over this anyday... ;)

It's kind of depressing that it took non-religious hipsters to keep the art form alive.

I know, right? But here in the South, not so much. You can still find plenty of Primitive Baptist and Holiness churches out in the middle of nowhere, with all day singings and dinner on the grounds.

My favorite Sacred Harp hymn - "What Wondrous Love Is This?"

"What wondrous love is this, O my soul..."

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+sacred+harp&view=detail&mid=A215F3FCACC59021A380A215F3FCACC59021A380&first=0&FORM=LKVR10
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #84 on: October 05, 2011, 12:09:37 PM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles*


Well, we have baklava, so I advise you to come over to the dark side. ;)

I've never heard of it -- i am googling it to see what it looks like.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #85 on: October 05, 2011, 12:23:20 PM »
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I really don't listen to much of the music from my Protestant days, except for maybe DCTalk.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #86 on: October 05, 2011, 02:47:52 PM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles*



but do you have baklava?  :-*

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2011, 02:48:51 PM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles*


Well, we have baklava, so I advise you to come over to the dark side. ;)

lol, u beat me to it, Ismi!  :laugh:

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #88 on: October 05, 2011, 02:49:38 PM »
I miss the cupholders on the backs of the chairs and being able to sip my favorite beverage during the service.

Do you miss the doughnuts? Come back to the dark side, we have doughnuts *chuckles*


Well, we have baklava, so I advise you to come over to the dark side. ;)

I've never heard of it -- i am googling it to see what it looks like.

ah google does not do such a sweet and heavenly pastry justice...
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #89 on: October 05, 2011, 03:33:38 PM »
One thing I definitely DON'T miss is the contemporary Christian music. :P



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