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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #135 on: October 30, 2011, 07:53:49 PM »
I was never a protestant, but I "miss" people smiling and making eye contact in Church.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #136 on: October 30, 2011, 08:08:37 PM »
the potlucks?

Otherwise, nothing.

We have them.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #137 on: October 30, 2011, 08:10:55 PM »
Also, I miss Sacred Harp singing.

Boom! Although, we did this "outside" of church so to speak.

You can still meet up and sing.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #138 on: October 30, 2011, 08:15:37 PM »
the potlucks?

Otherwise, nothing.

We have them
I would also put forward the argument that the Orthodox ones have better food.  :P
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #139 on: October 30, 2011, 08:16:43 PM »
I was going to say, I love me some Southern cooking, but the Greeks have got it beat!

You are out of you mind. I mean really.

Then agan what do you from the south? You don't even eat liver or gizzards.

If any real American who grew up eating proper food, says the Greeks got us beat, then you are out to dinner.



 
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #140 on: October 30, 2011, 08:17:31 PM »
the potlucks?

Otherwise, nothing.

We have them
I would also put forward the argument that the Orthodox ones have better food.  :P


I wouldn't. As a follow up to the last post, especially if they are OWers or LARPers.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #141 on: October 30, 2011, 08:20:15 PM »
Well I am not a "real American" (whatever that means) and I didn't grow up with real American food (didn't have my first taste of mac and cheese until I was 18) so that argument does not include me.

And I have been to a couple Southern potlucks as far south as Louisiana and Mississippi, but I hadn't encountered any gizzards. I have to go call them and tell them that they are clearly LARPing.  :P
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2011, 08:31:16 PM »
Well I am not a "real American" (whatever that means) and I didn't grow up with real American food (didn't have my first taste of mac and cheese until I was 18) so that argument does not include me.

And I have been to a couple Southern potlucks as far south as Louisiana and Mississippi, but I hadn't encountered any gizzards. I have to go call them and tell them that they are clearly LARPing.  :P

No the LARPing Americans converts bringing in, much less preparing, "ethnic" foods.

Bring in some fried chicken, sheesh. Chili. Tamales. Whatever.

Fix what you (the general you) ate before making Orthodoxy some sorta trip through an Eastern European / Mediterranean Whole Foods.







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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #143 on: October 30, 2011, 08:34:31 PM »
Heh, sorry. You responded to me and so I did in kind.

The mac and cheese is a fun fact, though. People are horrified when I tell them. There are other foods I did not eat at all growing up but I can't remember many of those. Chili, chicken pot pie, open face sandwiches, turkey...
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #144 on: October 30, 2011, 08:41:38 PM »
Heh, sorry. You responded to me and so I did in kind.

The mac and cheese is a fun fact, though. People are horrified when I tell them. There are other foods I did not eat at all growing up but I can't remember many of those. Chili, chicken pot pie, open face sandwiches, turkey...

Just saying. Buy a 1000 WCs. Why not? Well maybe not a thousand.

Or whatever Filipino dish you ate.

Orthodoxy in incarnational. It isn't fixed ethnically national or it shouldn't be. What does Orthodoxy look like in America.

Heard a Priest say once somewhere, when he saw a black man in parish celebrate Pascha with fried chicken.

Exactly.

The cultural interchange is nice, but again let's not confuse beets and beans with the Blood and Body of Christ as another Priest says.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #145 on: October 30, 2011, 08:48:44 PM »
I agree with that. I just happen to like Greek food. And I think food from any ethnicity should be welcome.

We do have a good mix of non-Greek/Greek food at my parish (not fried chicken though :( ), but the thing is that we have a lot of local restaurant owners in my church, so the menu is fairly Mediterranean.

I don't know how it is at other churches, though.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #146 on: October 30, 2011, 09:04:29 PM »
I agree with that. I just happen to like Greek food. And I think food from any ethnicity should be welcome.

We do have a good mix of non-Greek/Greek food at my parish (not fried chicken though :( ), but the thing is that we have a lot of local restaurant owners in my church, so the menu is fairly Mediterranean.

I don't know how it is at other churches, though.

My parish is half a mile away from a WC and a place that does sell livers and gizzards.

Maybe I should sign up to provide for the food for one Sunday and surprise everyone.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #147 on: October 30, 2011, 09:29:13 PM »
Orthonorm, re. the comment about the man eating fried chicken at Pascha, down here in Mississippi, we bless watermelons on Transfiguration.  Only takes one to fill up the table.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #148 on: October 30, 2011, 09:30:53 PM »
Orthonorm, re. the comment about the man eating fried chicken at Pascha, down here in Mississippi, we bless watermelons on Transfiguration.  Only takes one to fill up the table.

Awesome.

OK, now salt or no salt and does a seed spitting contest following afterward?

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #149 on: October 30, 2011, 09:34:04 PM »
LARP? ???
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #150 on: October 30, 2011, 09:43:20 PM »
No salt, except for the occasional misfit who likes a bit of salt.  No seed spitting either, but not a bad idea.  Ortho, I do know someone who cracks ice for his bourbon by shooting a block of ice with his pistol.  He really only did this to impress visiting friends for up North.

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« Reply #151 on: October 30, 2011, 09:45:40 PM »
No salt, except for the occasional misfit who likes a bit of salt.  No seed spitting either, but not a bad idea.  Ortho, I do know someone who cracks ice for his bourbon by shooting a block of ice with his pistol.  He really only did this to impress visiting friends for up North.

NICE!

Give the tourists what they want.

Salt here.

And when I found out about "seedless" watermelons, I didn't understand the point of the fruit anymore.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #152 on: October 30, 2011, 09:49:02 PM »
LARP? ???

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #153 on: October 30, 2011, 11:46:32 PM »
No salt, except for the occasional misfit who likes a bit of salt.  No seed spitting either, but not a bad idea.  Ortho, I do know someone who cracks ice for his bourbon by shooting a block of ice with his pistol.  He really only did this to impress visiting friends for up North.

NICE!

Give the tourists what they want.

Salt here.

And when I found out about "seedless" watermelons, I didn't understand the point of the fruit anymore.
Yeah, I thought the whole point of eating a watermelon was to see how far you could spit the seeds.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #154 on: October 31, 2011, 12:26:25 AM »
I was never a protestant, but I "miss" people smiling and making eye contact in Church.

Funny you should mention this.  I make a point of smiling and saying hello to people at my parish.  Most respond positively, but some look at me as if what I am doing is strange.  One lady I have become friends with tells me that I know more people at the parish than she does, even though she has been going there for over a decade and I have only been a member for less than two years.  It's because I make the effort to interact with others, something that seems unusual to most members of the parish.  It's reminiscent of being in a courtroom, bus terminal, or other public place with complete strangers.   :)

The norm is that you can be seated with dozens of people and almost none will make eye contact or smile, unless it is someone they personally know.  None of the Evangelical churches I grew up in were like that.  That is hard to get used to.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #155 on: October 31, 2011, 12:45:37 AM »
No the LARPing Americans converts bringing in, much less preparing, "ethnic" foods.

Bring in some fried chicken, sheesh. Chili. Tamales. Whatever.

Fix what you (the general you) ate before making Orthodoxy some sorta trip through an Eastern European / Mediterranean Whole Foods.

Every communal meal at my church is super vegetarian even on the days when mounds of cheese and meat should abound, and it drives me nuts. So now I always bring a meaty-cheesy all American heart attack platter when I bring food.

One of the more ethnic Serbian parishes in town offers some of the finest fried chicken at its feasts, thank God. That place makes a lot of sense to me. A bar in the parish basement and actually good food, along with smokes for those who like. That's how you have a good time, people. Not tepid legumes and hummus and stupid oil to dip everything in. Gross.

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #156 on: October 31, 2011, 01:06:20 AM »
A bar in the parish basement?

Awesome.
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« Reply #157 on: October 31, 2011, 01:08:16 AM »
A bar in the parish basement?

Awesome.

At my Serb parish there is a fully stocked bar in the fellowship hall, and they do serve fried chicken as well.  :D

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« Reply #158 on: October 31, 2011, 01:12:56 AM »
Hmm how are Serbian women?
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« Reply #159 on: October 31, 2011, 01:17:49 AM »
Hmm how are Serbian women?

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« Reply #161 on: October 31, 2011, 01:22:05 AM »
Heh, sorry. You responded to me and so I did in kind.

The mac and cheese is a fun fact, though. People are horrified when I tell them. There are other foods I did not eat at all growing up but I can't remember many of those. Chili, chicken pot pie, open face sandwiches, turkey...

I didn't know humans could live that long without eating turkey!  :o

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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #163 on: October 31, 2011, 08:44:01 PM »
I miss the Agnus Dei from my old Catholic Church.
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« Reply #164 on: October 31, 2011, 09:05:33 PM »
Right now? Being understood! #laughs
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #165 on: November 23, 2011, 02:05:39 AM »
As a lifelong protestant in the process of becoming Orthodox the only part of my old Methodist Church are the people... Our pastor was amazing and just a really awsome person... there was this really nice elderly woman I used to sit with when my mom didn't come... they are what I miss... in every other way Orthodoxy is like... like taking the faith I've always had and fleashing it out into something even more beautiful...

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« Reply #166 on: November 23, 2011, 02:08:36 AM »
I was raised in the RCC. The things I miss the most are genuflections, and the holy water stoups when you walk in.  :)
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« Reply #167 on: November 23, 2011, 03:04:20 AM »
I was raised in the RCC. The things I miss the most are genuflections, and the holy water stoups when you walk in.  :)
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« Reply #168 on: November 23, 2011, 03:15:27 AM »
There is a large vessel up near the front of the church. I haven't yet asked Father if I can have any. Maybe I'll do that.
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« Reply #169 on: November 23, 2011, 03:18:05 AM »
We have the same thing in my parish.  People (myself included) often fill water bottles and take them home.  Father says that some people drink a little each morning at home.
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« Reply #170 on: November 23, 2011, 12:35:32 PM »
I get nostalgic from time to time for the hymns my mother used to sing to me as a child, but really the only thing I miss is my old friends. Orthodoxy is the path of salvation, and yet it stands as a unspoken gulf between us. I would like nothing better than to go drink Scotch and smoke pipes with my old pastor who lives only a few blocks from us, but we are both too strong in our convictions and it would only end politely but uncomfortably.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #171 on: November 23, 2011, 07:19:00 PM »
Heh, sorry. You responded to me and so I did in kind.

The mac and cheese is a fun fact, though. People are horrified when I tell them. There are other foods I did not eat at all growing up but I can't remember many of those. Chili, chicken pot pie, open face sandwiches, turkey...
One of my church's ministers is in his mid 30s and he's never had a hamburger. He also makes phenomenally good chocolate covered strawberries, even though he doesn't eat them. I guess I'll miss those when I become Orthodox. And Christmas Caroling. I like Christmas Caroling.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #172 on: November 23, 2011, 10:45:24 PM »
I get nostalgic from time to time for the hymns my mother used to sing to me as a child, but really the only thing I miss is my old friends. Orthodoxy is the path of salvation, and yet it stands as a unspoken gulf between us. I would like nothing better than to go drink Scotch and smoke pipes with my old pastor who lives only a few blocks from us, but we are both too strong in our convictions and it would only end politely but uncomfortably.


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« Reply #173 on: November 23, 2011, 11:20:41 PM »
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« Reply #174 on: November 24, 2011, 12:42:55 AM »
We have the same thing in my parish.  People (myself included) often fill water bottles and take them home.  Father says that some people drink a little each morning at home.
Wow, my brother does the same thing.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #175 on: November 25, 2011, 02:59:47 AM »
The Apologetics. Do not get me wrong, I love Orthodoxy and I am more than grateful that God pulled me out of the dangerous Protestant Church. But, one thing I will admit is that Protestant Apologetics against atheists and non-Christians is much more developed and greater than Eastern Orthodox Apologetics. In my current situation I constantly have to defend my beliefs against the atheist community, and I have become pretty good at it. But, nearly all of the great apologists and apologetics authors are some type of Protestant. I love how the Protestant Church has formalized Apologetics and are releasing volumes of books refuting every atheistic argument to date. Whereas, in contrast, in the Orthodox Church we really have no great apologists like William Lane Craig, Normal Geisler or John Lennox. In fact, most of our theological attitude does not relate to problems like this. Eastern Orthodox Apologetics is more aimed towards defending our theologic and doctrinal points against other types of heresies, but nothing against atheism or materialism.
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« Reply #176 on: November 25, 2011, 01:06:10 PM »
Clarity, that's what i miss.
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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #178 on: November 25, 2011, 09:42:43 PM »
I get nostalgic from time to time for the hymns my mother used to sing to me as a child, but really the only thing I miss is my old friends. Orthodoxy is the path of salvation, and yet it stands as a unspoken gulf between us. I would like nothing better than to go drink Scotch and smoke pipes with my old pastor who lives only a few blocks from us, but we are both too strong in our convictions and it would only end politely but uncomfortably.


A Presbyterian I presume? ;)


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Re: Things you miss as a former Protestant
« Reply #179 on: November 25, 2011, 10:00:51 PM »
The Apologetics. Do not get me wrong, I love Orthodoxy and I am more than grateful that God pulled me out of the dangerous Protestant Church. But, one thing I will admit is that Protestant Apologetics against atheists and non-Christians is much more developed and greater than Eastern Orthodox Apologetics. In my current situation I constantly have to defend my beliefs against the atheist community, and I have become pretty good at it. But, nearly all of the great apologists and apologetics authors are some type of Protestant. I love how the Protestant Church has formalized Apologetics and are releasing volumes of books refuting every atheistic argument to date. Whereas, in contrast, in the Orthodox Church we really have no great apologists like William Lane Craig, Normal Geisler or John Lennox. In fact, most of our theological attitude does not relate to problems like this. Eastern Orthodox Apologetics is more aimed towards defending our theologic and doctrinal points against other types of heresies, but nothing against atheism or materialism.
No offense to your apologetics list, but Norman Geisler is a horrible apologist. WLC is great in some areas (like philosophy of time) and worse in other areas. He really is an excellent debator, who thankfully doesn't hide behind the shallow rhetoric someone like Christopher Hitchens does. Alot of his argumentation is sort of "popular" level material, but he can get really in depth on his website. On the whole though I can recommend him.

John Lennox seems like a God of the Gaps sort of person, unless I'm classifying him wrong. I recall the Dawkins debate, while even Dawkins exhibiting a poor understanding of Christianity, Lennox resorts back to an emotional response.

The Orthodox Church doesn't need apologists in my opinion. The reason I feel that way is because alot of the atheist critcsms against Protestant Christianity gets answered so succintly and refuted so well by Orthodox theology, it's sort of pointless to address them. The only real arguments an atheist can have against the Orthodox Church are some very heady high level thinking, more so along the lines of God's usage of free will with man.

Anyway, if you want an Orthodox apologist look up David Bentley Hart's Atheist Delusions: http://www.amazon.com/Atheist-Delusions-Christian-Revolution-Fashionable/dp/0300164297/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322272587&sr=8-1

Ignore the 1-star reviews, because Hart really does place a few nails in the new atheism coffin.

My main criticsm of the new atheist movement, if you can even call it that, lacks intellectual depth. Dr. Craig talks about this as well, because alot of these atheists want to hold on to fringe theories like the Jesus myth idea and a few others, but not really engaging in deeper philosophical problems and issues. Atheists simply dismiss God as irrelevant and unnecessary, but they never explore as to what the consequences of that is. Which is why a Christian, or a theist, can form the greatest arguments against God because God isn't viewed as "silly" or a belief like Santa Claus, but really get to the heart of the problem of dealing with the existence of God and problems of evil, theodicy, free will, etc.

Oh btw you want an outstanding apologist, who isn't Orthodox? Look up Alvin Plantinga.
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