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« on: October 04, 2011, 06:08:02 AM »

I'm sure there is a thread like this, but I can't find it.

Anyway, I miss being able to take the Book of Revelation hyperliterally. I used to absorb myself in that book as a kid, and let my imagination run wild with its imagery.

I think I also miss the idea that there is a "Bible Code" hidden within or that it can predict things in the future.

What I don't miss is the concept of the Rapture. That idea always terrified me because you would vanish on this Earth instantly, how would that feel I wonder. I think alot of my lax in faith in my younger years was the idea that I thought the Rapture would happen in my lifetime, and since I wasn't a good Christian I could try a second chance post-Rapture (I had horrible nightmares of being executed for my faith in Christ during the post-Rapture era)
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 06:46:02 AM »

This is the only one i can think of http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39870.msg645482.html#msg645482 but it's about Pentecostals, so more specific.

The book of Revelation isn't literal?!
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I can't say what i miss about being Protestant as i still am one, just not a charismatic or Pentecostal one.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 06:51:02 AM »

Well, I must admit that I loved listening to great preachers. I also enjoyed approaching the Bible with the idea that I may discover some new and novel interpretation that everyone else had missed all these centuries. Lol! A very dangerous approach, and I thank God that He saved me from myself by leading me to the True Faith.


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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2011, 07:23:28 AM »

I abandoned all that Rapture and Tribulation teaching 30 years before I became Orthodox. I was 18 when "The Late, Great Planet Earth" was published - so very much in the heyday of that line of teaching. Fortunately, within a few years I had a Bible college professor who straightened me out on that!

All I have to do now is attend a Protestant worship service (their word, not mine) to remind myself that there's really very little if anything that I truly miss.

My comment on Protestant worship services is from my experience which is mostly with contemporary style non-charismatic Evangelical Protestantism - if they would bill their services as a "concert" I would probably enjoy most of them.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2011, 07:46:51 AM »

I abandoned all that Rapture and Tribulation teaching 30 years before I became Orthodox. I was 18 when "The Late, Great Planet Earth" was published - so very much in the heyday of that line of teaching. Fortunately, within a few years I had a Bible college professor who straightened me out on that!

All I have to do now is attend a Protestant worship service (their word, not mine) to remind myself that there's really very little if anything that I truly miss.

My comment on Protestant worship services is from my experience which is mostly with contemporary style non-charismatic Evangelical Protestantism - if they would bill their services as a "concert" I would probably enjoy most of them.
I "like" this whole post! Sometimes I feel like I miss something, but then I attend a Protestant service with friends and all I can do is think about the DL the entire time.

And I...don't want to say that I "miss" praising with worship music at church. But I do have some CDs that I listen to while I'm cleaning or something and I'll belt them out. But weirdly enough, this is also becoming very rare.

Nothing against the people, since I did have great friends and well meaning, selfless people to guide me in those churches. But I don't really miss anything. If anything, it's the hymns and music. And that's a MAYBE. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2011, 08:48:04 AM »

I don't miss anything.

If I'm not allowed to bring it into Orthodoxy with me, then I'm better off without it. If I am allowed to bring it with me, then I don't miss it because I still have it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2011, 08:51:56 AM »

I abandoned all that Rapture and Tribulation teaching 30 years before I became Orthodox. I was 18 when "The Late, Great Planet Earth" was published - so very much in the heyday of that line of teaching. Fortunately, within a few years I had a Bible college professor who straightened me out on that!

All I have to do now is attend a Protestant worship service (their word, not mine) to remind myself that there's really very little if anything that I truly miss.

My comment on Protestant worship services is from my experience which is mostly with contemporary style non-charismatic Evangelical Protestantism - if they would bill their services as a "concert" I would probably enjoy most of them.
I "like" this whole post! Sometimes I feel like I miss something, but then I attend a Protestant service with friends and all I can do is think about the DL the entire time.

And I...don't want to say that I "miss" praising with worship music at church. But I do have some CDs that I listen to while I'm cleaning or something and I'll belt them out. But weirdly enough, this is also becoming very rare.

Nothing against the people, since I did have great friends and well meaning, selfless people to guide me in those churches. But I don't really miss anything. If anything, it's the hymns and music. And that's a MAYBE. Smiley

When I am working at home I find myself listening to AFR or just Byzantine chants that I have on my laptop; I really don't listen to much of the music from my Protestant days, except for maybe DCTalk.

One thing I do miss from one of my old churches is that every Wednesday evening right after service was a potluck, but the coffee hour with doughnuts plus the meals we have during the fasts (so many interesting fasting recipies!) and after the fasts are taking ye old potlucks place.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 09:18:51 AM »

I miss the girls.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 09:21:44 AM »

I miss the girls.

Not me, I grabbed me a fine girl and brought her with me  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 09:28:41 AM »

Okay, duh! The fasting whenever you wanted to, and whatever you wanted to.

Fasting has its great points, but as an inveterate meat lover, I'm not going to act like I don't sulk at all on Wed/Fridays. I miss being a Catholic and being able to eat cheese, eggs, and fish! Haha.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 09:32:39 AM »

I also enjoyed approaching the Bible with the idea that I may discover some new and novel interpretation that everyone else had missed all these centuries.

As an outsider I have to admit this is one of the most appealing possibilities about the protestant tendency- the ability to weave one's own crazy new visions and prophecies. I think this is exemplified with folks like Jacob Boehme, John Milton, and William Blake. But those people are very rare and protestantism generally doesn't push that potential very far. I don't understand how someone can read a book like Ezekiel or Job and come away with some simple feel-good message, but that seems to be the general tendency. Very few people of any Church seem to recognize how weird the Bible is.

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 10:09:42 AM »

Singing!

Don't get me wrong - I love Orthodox hymnody and I love singing it, but when I was growing up, Lutherans were called "the singing church." I miss hearing the "Lutheran Fight Song," otherwise known as "A Mighty Fortress." To hear a sizable Lutheran congregation belting that out on Reformation Sunday was something, you betcha!

Also, I miss Sacred Harp singing.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2011, 10:19:39 AM »

It's funny, I was at a Catholic mass this summer and "A Mighty Fortress" was in the hymnal.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2011, 10:23:26 AM »

Thanksgiving.  (the American holiday)
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2011, 10:24:57 AM »

It's funny, I was at a Catholic mass this summer and "A Mighty Fortress" was in the hymnal.

I often wondered who was on that hymnal committee!  Grin
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2011, 10:25:30 AM »

Thanksgiving.

Why Thanksgiving?
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2011, 10:29:34 AM »

Thanksgiving.  (the American holiday)

I was allowed to bring that with me. It's one of those things I don't miss because I still have. My church even celebrates a liturgy that morning.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2011, 10:38:27 AM »

I don't really miss anything, but then I was with a Protestant (Presbyterian) congregation for only 3 years (Nov. 2003 - Oct. 2006), and I joined when I was already almost 46.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2011, 10:41:12 AM »

Singing!

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I don't like that particular hymn but there are several other traditional Finnish Lutheran hymns I liked and still like. Of course there are occasional congregational singing also in Orthodox services but it's just not the same.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2011, 10:43:42 AM »

I miss doing whatever I please, not going to Church, indulging every desire, never confessing my sins to anyone, believing whatever I wanted, and yet still being able to claim that "I am saved" and "going to heaven" when I die.  Yet, when I really think about it, since I could never really believe in Protestantism, and since self-indulgence lead only to a foretaste of Hell, and since the "I'm saved" claims were just wishful thinking so I wouldn't have to feel guilty while falling headlong into the eternal abyss, I'm actually very thankful to be in the Orthodox Church where I can experience sincere and genuine hope for the salvation of my soul, where I can actually understand what repentance is and how to do it, where I finally have the means to change, to be divinized, to actually become more like God.  So, I guess I don't miss Protestantism that much after all.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2011, 10:47:57 AM »

Thanksgiving.  (the American holiday)

come celebrate thanksgiving with the canadians, this monday.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2011, 10:57:45 AM »

I miss doing whatever I please, not going to Church, indulging every desire, never confessing my sins to anyone, believing whatever I wanted, and yet still being able to claim that "I am saved" and "going to heaven" when I die.  Yet, when I really think about it, since I could never really believe in Protestantism, and since self-indulgence lead only to a foretaste of Hell, and since the "I'm saved" claims were just wishful thinking so I wouldn't have to feel guilty while falling headlong into the eternal abyss, I'm actually very thankful to be in the Orthodox Church where I can experience sincere and genuine hope for the salvation of my soul, where I can actually understand what repentance is and how to do it, where I finally have the means to change, to be divinized, to actually become more like God.  So, I guess I don't miss Protestantism that much after all.

I was a bit taken aback by your experiences of Protestantism as they are not similar to any i've heard of. Until you stated that you could never really believe in Protestantism, then it all made sense. Often those on the fringes of the church never really get to experience the true meaning of eternal security being something that God does that isn't dependent on what we do, so that we have no room to boast. That's one area where i realise there's a complete contrast is the uncertainty of salvation for an Orthodox Christian.
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2011, 11:46:28 AM »

I miss doing whatever I please, not going to Church, indulging every desire, never confessing my sins to anyone, believing whatever I wanted, and yet still being able to claim that "I am saved"

It doesn't seem that what you are missing is Protestantism, whatever it was.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2011, 11:48:17 AM »

I miss the girls.

Not me, I grabbed me a fine girl and ...)

...stayed a Baptist together with her.
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2011, 12:03:06 PM »

Thanksgiving.  (the American holiday)

I was allowed to bring that with me. It's one of those things I don't miss because I still have. My church even celebrates a liturgy that morning.

Exactly. That's why I asked.
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2011, 12:56:22 PM »

I thing I miss is the "fellowship time" which was just an excuse for homemade fried chicken Smiley
There is little that can beat a baptist congregation all bringing home made southern food for "fellowship".

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I thing I miss is the "fellowship time" which was just an excuse for homemade fried chicken Smiley
There is little that can beat a baptist congregation all bringing home made southern food for "fellowship".

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Have you been to an Orthodox Pascha yet?  Shocked

Most parishes (all in my limited personal experience) have some sort of fellowship time after the liturgy.
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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2011, 01:13:27 PM »

I was going to say, I love me some Southern cooking, but the Greeks have got it beat!
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2011, 01:18:04 PM »

I have to say people  that some of the responses are a bit harsh in their sarcasm and cynicism.
 I can remember a few things that I miss:

1) very warm receptions to new comers: my OCA church is great about that, but let's face it; many other Orthodox parishes are not

2) While I forever thank God for saving me from the pride of interpreting Scripture on my own, I accept the Protestant belief that when opening the Bible I will open to the verses I need to hear. That has certainly happened to me on more than one occasion.

3) Sunday night (or Wednesday night) fellowships, often followed by a meal or a drink for the adults
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I thing I miss is the "fellowship time" which was just an excuse for homemade fried chicken Smiley
There is little that can beat a baptist congregation all bringing home made southern food for "fellowship".

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One of the things our parish does is have lunch after Liturgy on Sunday, which is a great fellowship time.
If we had an ethnic food festival, it would be barbecue (and for you folks of the Northern persuasion, that does not mean hot dogs and hamburgers!) or fried chicken.
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I thing I miss is the "fellowship time" which was just an excuse for homemade fried chicken Smiley
There is little that can beat a baptist congregation all bringing home made southern food for "fellowship".

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Have you been to an Orthodox Pascha yet?  Shocked

Most parishes (all in my limited personal experience) have some sort of fellowship time after the liturgy.

Nope Smiley


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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2011, 01:56:14 PM »

I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
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Have you been to an Orthodox Pascha yet?  Shocked

Most parishes (all in my limited personal experience) have some sort of fellowship time after the liturgy.
Nope Smiley


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Just to clarify I meant that most parishes have some sort of fellowship on a weekly basis after the liturgy.

But Pascha, at least in my church, is amazing. Everybody pretty much brings everything they weren't allowed to eat during lent and breaks the fast together. I think the only thing (at least in the US) that people in general celebrate more than the Orthodox celebrate Pascha would be the superbowl. But then again no one considers the superbowl to be worth fasting for almost two months, even though they are the only celebrations that can compare.
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2011, 02:08:05 PM »

- More chance of hooking up

OK, all the other good things like friendliness, love for scripture, etc can be brought with you into Orthodoxy. No one has to leave any of that at the door. None of that goes against Church teaching.

Unfortunately, I can't argue that this point in particular can just be "brought" into Orthodoxy or easily found.
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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2011, 02:10:06 PM »

I miss the girls.

Not me, I grabbed me a fine girl and brought her with me  Wink

Ya, still though if u go to one of those mega churches, its just thick on the ground everywhere u look... Wink
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2011, 02:13:59 PM »

Singing!

Don't get me wrong - I love Orthodox hymnody and I love singing it, but when I was growing up, Lutherans were called "the singing church." I miss hearing the "Lutheran Fight Song," otherwise known as "A Mighty Fortress." To hear a sizable Lutheran congregation belting that out on Reformation Sunday was something, you betcha!

Also, I miss Sacred Harp singing.

Thats one thing I don't miss, at all! Although I do sing in the choir now...love it, love it, love it!

It would be nice to hear a harp or other divine instrument every now and then... Cheesy
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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2011, 02:16:27 PM »

I miss doing whatever I please, not going to Church, indulging every desire, never confessing my sins to anyone, believing whatever I wanted, and yet still being able to claim that "I am saved" and "going to heaven" when I die.  Yet, when I really think about it, since I could never really believe in Protestantism, and since self-indulgence lead only to a foretaste of Hell, and since the "I'm saved" claims were just wishful thinking so I wouldn't have to feel guilty while falling headlong into the eternal abyss, I'm actually very thankful to be in the Orthodox Church where I can experience sincere and genuine hope for the salvation of my soul, where I can actually understand what repentance is and how to do it, where I finally have the means to change, to be divinized, to actually become more like God.  So, I guess I don't miss Protestantism that much after all.

I was a bit taken aback by your experiences of Protestantism as they are not similar to any i've heard of. Until you stated that you could never really believe in Protestantism, then it all made sense. Often those on the fringes of the church never really get to experience the true meaning of eternal security being something that God does that isn't dependent on what we do, so that we have no room to boast. That's one area where i realise there's a complete contrast is the uncertainty of salvation for an Orthodox Christian.

When I was protestant, I found that OSAS only got in the way of my salvation. Was I saved? Did I say the prayer right and with true sincerity? These doubts constantly plagued me.
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2011, 02:20:29 PM »

Was I saved? Did I say the prayer right and with true sincerity? These doubts constantly plagued me.

Not me. I got to the point where I never went to church and I lived like a heathen, but it was OK because I had what one of my sunday school teachers called "fire insurance" (his exact words).
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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2011, 02:22:21 PM »

Was I saved? Did I say the prayer right and with true sincerity? These doubts constantly plagued me.

Not me. I got to the point where I never went to church and I lived like a heathen, but it was OK because I had what one of my sunday school teachers called "fire insurance" (his exact words).

Of course I did that too. It was only when I became mindful of my salvation (which wasn't often) that I would doubt the sincerity of my "sinner's prayer" and have to say it again. Although I always felt like, "if i'm going to say it this time, I better change my ways, otherwise the prayer will have no effect", which would usually postpone me from saying it again, until I was ready to change my ways (which never came until I discovered Odoxy).
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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2011, 02:23:34 PM »

I was somewhere in the middle. I didn't sweat the heaven so part but focused on what was going on on this earth (my wealth, career). As soon as my faith started falling apart and I embraced Orthodoxy, it completely reversed. Thank God.


It's nice not to think that my illness and struggles are due to my lack of faith and the fact that I didn't pray enough (like God is counting).
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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2011, 02:27:01 PM »

I was somewhere in the middle. I didn't sweat the heaven so part but focused on what was going on on this earth (my wealth, career). As soon as my faith started falling apart and I embraced Orthodoxy, it completely reversed. Thank God.


It's nice not to think that my illness and struggles are due to my lack of faith and the fact that I didn't pray enough (like God is counting).

Indeed. BTW, love the Cake reference in the siggie! Cheesy Wink
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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2011, 02:40:49 PM »

I would probably mention some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, perhaps...

- More reverence for Scripture (yes, Orthodox kiss the Bible... but how many read it outside a liturgical setting?)
- Better after-service meals
- More emotional and vibrant songs
- More chance of hooking up
Do you really believe we have less reverence for the Bible?
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2011, 02:44:46 PM »

I miss the girls.

Not me, I grabbed me a fine girl and brought her with me  Wink

Ya, still though if u go to one of those mega churches, its just thick on the ground everywhere u look... Wink

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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2011, 02:49:51 PM »

I was somewhere in the middle. I didn't sweat the heaven so part but focused on what was going on on this earth (my wealth, career). As soon as my faith started falling apart and I embraced Orthodoxy, it completely reversed. Thank God.


It's nice not to think that my illness and struggles are due to my lack of faith and the fact that I didn't pray enough (like God is counting).

Indeed. BTW, love the Cake reference in the siggie! Cheesy Wink
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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2011, 02:53:19 PM »

Thanksgiving.  (the American holiday)

come celebrate thanksgiving with the canadians, this monday.

Half of my family is Canadian.  Wouldn't Grandma be surprised if I showed up!  Thanksgiving celebrations are a little weird now with the Nativity fast.  The holiday is a big deal with my extended family and it just doesn't feel the same now.  While there are things I can eat the experience of sitting and sharing a meal with my family is different now.  Part of it is because my mother thinks the fasting is silly and my brother-in-law (who means no harm, but who lacks a few conventional social graces) seems to bring up the topic of me not eating turkey.  I know that I am the one with the issue here.  I just don't look forward to the holiday in the same way.
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