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Angels and Theosis
« on: September 30, 2011, 03:48:06 PM »
Do Angels aim for Theosis?
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Re: Angels and Theosis
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 06:06:41 PM »
Do Angels aim for Theosis?
Short answer: AFAIK, Angels cannot experience the uncreated graces of God (Theosis) the way humans do. If I am wrong, someone please correct me.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 06:07:07 PM by Severian »
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Re: Angels and Theosis
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2011, 06:11:36 PM »
I still have trouble accepting angels myself.
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Re: Angels and Theosis
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 06:12:38 PM »
I still have trouble accepting angels myself.
What do you mean?
"I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die [...] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -The Lord Jesus Christ

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Re: Angels and Theosis
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 10:41:03 PM »
Do Angels aim for Theosis?

Angels do participate in theosis, according to the "Celestial Hieriarchies" by St. Dionysios the Areopagite.  It is a difficult read, but for instance:

"The purpose, then, of [the Celestial or Angelic] Hierarchy is the assimilation and union, as far as attainable, with God, having Him Leader of all religious science and operation, by looking unflinchingly to His most Divine comeliness, and copying, as far as possible, and by perfecting its own followers as Divine images, mirrors most luminous and without flaw, receptive of the primal light and the supremely Divine ray, and devoutly filled with the entrusted radiance, and again, spreading this radiance ungrudgingly to those after it, in accordance with the supremely Divine regulations. For it is not lawful for the Mystic Rites of sacred things, or for things religiously done, to practise anything whatever beyond the sacred regulations of their own proper function. Nor even must they attempt otherwise, if they desire to attain its deifying splendour, and look to it religiously, and are moulded after the example of each of the holy minds. He, then, who mentions Hierarchy, denotes a certain altogether Holy Order, an image of the supremely Divine freshness, ministering the mysteries of its own illumination in hierarchical ranks, and sciences, and assimilated to its own proper Head as far as lawful."

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/areopagite_13_heavenly_hierarchy.htm


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Re: Angels and Theosis
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2011, 10:01:03 AM »
Do Angels aim for Theosis?

Angels do participate in theosis, according to the "Celestial Hieriarchies" by St. Dionysios the Areopagite.  It is a difficult read, but for instance:

"The purpose, then, of [the Celestial or Angelic] Hierarchy is the assimilation and union, as far as attainable, with God, having Him Leader of all religious science and operation, by looking unflinchingly to His most Divine comeliness, and copying, as far as possible, and by perfecting its own followers as Divine images, mirrors most luminous and without flaw, receptive of the primal light and the supremely Divine ray, and devoutly filled with the entrusted radiance, and again, spreading this radiance ungrudgingly to those after it, in accordance with the supremely Divine regulations. For it is not lawful for the Mystic Rites of sacred things, or for things religiously done, to practise anything whatever beyond the sacred regulations of their own proper function. Nor even must they attempt otherwise, if they desire to attain its deifying splendour, and look to it religiously, and are moulded after the example of each of the holy minds. He, then, who mentions Hierarchy, denotes a certain altogether Holy Order, an image of the supremely Divine freshness, ministering the mysteries of its own illumination in hierarchical ranks, and sciences, and assimilated to its own proper Head as far as lawful."

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/areopagite_13_heavenly_hierarchy.htm


Very interesting quote, Jah. Thank you for providing it. I do plan on reading this text by St. (Pseudo-?)Dionysios the Areopagite when I find the time.
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Re: Angels and Theosis
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2011, 06:24:39 AM »
I still have trouble accepting angels myself.

Do you accept that there exists a noetic realm, however so defined?

Let's go from there.
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Re: Angels and Theosis
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2011, 05:35:57 PM »
I still have trouble accepting angels myself.

Good for you!

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Re: Angels and Theosis
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2011, 08:16:39 AM »
I still have trouble accepting angels myself.

Do you accept that there exists a noetic realm, however so defined?

Let's go from there.
Noetic realm as in derived from God?
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