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Offline Superior Practices

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A Leap of Faith
« on: December 20, 2014, 03:13:38 AM »
Hi everyone.
What does the phrase, a leap of faith, mean to you?
Any examples from your own life?
I know its a common phrase and i have heard it many times, but i have no idea what it actually means.
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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2014, 03:39:48 AM »
The phrase brings Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade to mind and I hope I can be as brave as Harrison Ford.


The phrase simply means believing in something that is unprovable.  I think in modern usage it's more about believing in oneself.  For example:

A:  "I don't know if I'm qualified for that job."
B:  "Sometimes you just need to take that leap of faith.  Apply for it."
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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2014, 03:40:32 AM »
It was popularized by the Existentialists (who transplanted it from a parable in Kierkegaard's epistemology). The idea was that what is true cannot be known until one makes it true. Early post-modernism, in other words. But in common parlance the phrase has come to mean many things, often around the idea of acting suddenly and fervently expecting the best.
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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2014, 04:33:19 AM »
Kierkegaard thought that trying to find certainty or assurance in objectivity and evidence was both impossible and antichrist. He believed that there were wide chasms that only faith could allow someone to cross--chasms not only of lacking information, but also of the illogic, nonsense, and absurdity of certain things of Christianity and God. For some things you must simply make a leap; faith is not the substance of things well-evidenced, but rather of hope and trust.

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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2014, 10:54:48 AM »
If you were the smartest person in the world using a Western approach to Truth and stuff  and you find that it gets you to Nothing and Chaos, it turns out to be a drag.
So yo are standing on the cliff-of-all-known-stuff but are still unfulfilled, hearing that voice of God calling, that is the leap of faith. Most do not take that leap.

Practiced daily is as foolish as jumping off a high cliff; we are not built to love our neighbor,; we see justice goes to the mighty and wicked while the meek are ground down; the poor are condemned to misery which is their lot in life; the pure are foolish in their pursuit; people speak poorly of another for status, power and wealth; any goodness, like compassion, is a sign of weakness; there are others but you know The Beatitudes already.
To the world we are fools as we jump off daily into what they see as nothing but air.
We know we joyfully leap into His Presence and find all that is missing in the above scree,
but when we  have trouble or impatience in knowing or finding Him, the world judges us derisively.
Fear is why they do not leap, but for us it is a leap of joy.
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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2014, 03:41:44 PM »
Justin's and Len's posts are evidencing pretty well what the phrase often amounts to in more academic or pop-academic circles -- a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too post-modern Christian theology. More recent phrases that occupy a similar Christian headspace might be "embrace the paradox" and "live in the tension."
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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2014, 04:28:06 PM »
My post evidences... that I actually read Kierkegaard.

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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2014, 06:39:28 PM »
Justin Kissel's commentary is consistent with my recollections of Soren Kirkegaard having briefly studied him over a decade ago.

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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2014, 06:54:04 PM »
Justin Kissel's commentary is consistent with my recollections of Soren Kirkegaard having briefly studied him over a decade ago.

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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2014, 02:57:37 AM »
Kierkegaard -- now there's a large subject.
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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2014, 02:59:58 AM »
I'm sure that, looked at some proper way, there's value in "leap of faith." I was thinking this morning of how the Bible speaks of (in common English) "acts of trust." As it happened, I was gazing out a window, and a picture of the gray buildings and roads as tho they had been forcibly imposed from above upon the soft green landscape came to me, and then a mental picture of the labyrinth the Evil One imposes upon our social and spiritual landscapes. Tufts of the truth of life are still visible to almost everyone, and yet to navigate the whole landscape as God can see it will require us to make some motions into areas deceptive-gray enough we see them as thru a glass darkly. We must trust the rich earth of God's love underlies all, and -- not simply leap or step out, but -- move in the direction or way that will co-produce what He produces ...
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Re: A Leap of Faith
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2014, 08:04:51 PM »
Thanks everyone.
From the above explainations and my own thoughts i could say that faith = trust, confidence, hope.
"She lusted after their genitals – as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions."
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