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« on: September 29, 2011, 03:48:40 PM »

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WASHINGTON — In a twist to notions of race identity, new 2010 census figures show an unexpected reason behind a renewed growth in the U.S. white population: more Hispanics listing themselves as white in the once-a-decade government count.
 
The shift is due to recent census changes that emphasize "Hispanic" as an ethnicity, not a race. While the U.S. government first made this distinction in 1980, many Latinos continued to use the "some other race" box to establish a Hispanic identity. In a switch, the 2010 census forms specifically instructed Latinos that Hispanic origins are not races and to select a recognized category such as white or black.
 
The result: a 6 percent increase in white Americans as tallied by the census, even though there was little change among non-Hispanic whites. In all, the number of people in the "white alone" category jumped by 12.1 million over the last decade to 223.6 million. Based on that definition, whites now represent 72 percent of the U.S. population and account for nearly half of the total population increase since 2000.
 
Broken down by state, California and Texas were home to nearly half of Hispanics who identified as white, followed by Florida and New York. Together, these four states comprised nearly two-thirds of the "white alone" population who were Hispanic. Overall, Hialeah, Fla.; Fargo, N.D.; Arvada, Colo.; Billings, Mont., and Scottsdale, Ariz., posted the highest shares in the "white alone" category, at roughly 90 percent or more.
 
"The white population has become more diverse as evidenced by the growth of the Hispanic white population and the multiple-race white population," including black-white and white-Asian people, according to the 2010 census analysis released Thursday.
 
Some demographers say the broadened white category in 2010 could lead to a notable semantic if not cultural shift in defining race and ethnicity. Due to the impact of Hispanics, the nation's fastest-growing group, the Census Bureau has previously estimated that whites will become the minority in the U.S. by midcentury. That is based on a definition of whites as non-Hispanic, who are now at 196.8 million.
 
That could change, if the common conception of white were to shift.

So, not only are Hispanics responsible for increasing the U.S. Catholic population, they are also increasing the U.S. "white" population.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 03:52:51 PM »

I blame the Jews.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 04:05:32 PM »

We should just classify everyone as White.  That would speed up integration, and get millions of Americans out of having to take "Studies" classes every year.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 04:09:33 PM »

We should just classify everyone as White.  That would speed up integration, and get millions of Americans out of having to take "Studies" classes every year.
You would still have "Pre-Columbian Native-American-white History ", "Post-Enlightenment Scandinavian-white Politics", "The African-American-white Civil Rights Movement", and "Medieval Chinese-white Poetry" courses to take.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 04:34:29 PM »

We should just classify everyone as White.  That would speed up integration, and get millions of Americans out of having to take "Studies" classes every year.
You would still have "Pre-Columbian Native-American-white History ", "Post-Enlightenment Scandinavian-white Politics", "The African-American-white Civil Rights Movement", and "Medieval Chinese-white Poetry" courses to take.

Ah, but those are all history (or literature) topics.  And they would probably be elective.  Not one of these "you're different and we need to patronize you" sort of classes.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 04:43:24 PM »

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We should just classify everyone as White.  That would speed up integration, and get millions of Americans out of having to take "Studies" classes every year.
You would still have "Pre-Columbian Native-American-white History ", "Post-Enlightenment Scandinavian-white Politics", "The African-American-white Civil Rights Movement", and "Medieval Chinese-white Poetry" courses to take.

Ah, but those are all history (or literature) topics.  And they would probably be elective.  Not one of these "you're different and we need to patronize you" sort of classes.

ahem.  that is a bit racist.  the curriculum has always been written around white culture and history, "ethnic studies" programs elevate, elaborate, and validate those who are not exactly white folks. It is onlt patronizing in the sarcastic way you've mentioned, most of my students of all races and backgrounds tend to appreciate and understand the purpose of these classes and further enjoy learning about more "diverse" subjets.

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 05:40:40 PM »

We should just classify everyone as White.  That would speed up integration, and get millions of Americans out of having to take "Studies" classes every year.

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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 05:44:51 PM »

In the research that I've been doing for my job recently, I found that in the census collections prior to 1930 persons from Mexico/of Mexican extraction historically were classified as "white".  After the Immigration Act of 1924 aka the Johnson-Reed Act which was designed to cut down on people coming to the U.S. from southern and eastern Europe, east Asia and India, attention was directed at persons of Hispanic origin.  In the 1930 census and *only that one* was a seperate catagory for "Mexican".
http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2002/summer/1930-census-perspective.html

This census had some other interesting additions or variations.

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 05:50:39 PM »

greetings in that divine and most precious name of our lord and savior jese christ!
We should just classify everyone as White.  That would speed up integration, and get millions of Americans out of having to take "Studies" classes every year.
You would still have "Pre-Columbian Native-American-white History ", "Post-Enlightenment Scandinavian-white Politics", "The African-American-white Civil Rights Movement", and "Medieval Chinese-white Poetry" courses to take.

Ah, but those are all history (or literature) topics.  And they would probably be elective.  Not one of these "you're different and we need to patronize you" sort of classes.

ahem.  that is a bit racist.  the curriculum has always been written around white culture and history, "ethnic studies" programs elevate, elaborate, and validate those who are not exactly white folks. It is onlt patronizing in the sarcastic way you've mentioned, most of my students of all races and backgrounds tend to appreciate and understand the purpose of these classes and further enjoy learning about more "diverse" subjets.

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Well, I only ever took one of these classes and I thought the concept of having Native American literature, sociology, modern politics, and history all thrown in together and thoroughly glossed over was a poor concept.  Especially since it was forced and not elective.  In almost every other sphere of learning there were numerous options.  For example, I wasn't all that interested in biology since finding out how mitochondria fornicate really doesn't interest me, so I took a Physical Anthropology class instead.  I would rather have taken a Pre-Columbian American History class, and I think that would have given me a better understanding and appreciation for the subject matter than the "studies" class was able to.  

And in rebuttal to the "R" word, it's not so much a matter of racism as that I think the class took my money and left me with no lasting knowledge.  I learned far more about modern American Indian culture (like that all the ones I knew would rather have been called American Indians than Native Americans) from the old Ponca man who lived a few blocks away and the Lakota man who lived another block down from him.  If all I knew about American Indians came from that class they would just be a blur of feathers and fry-bread to me now.  The "studies" classes will never replace genuine interest and curiosity, and they really aren't doing anything to integrate the peoples of the world into one solid narrative.  
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Well, I only ever took one of these classes and I thought the concept of having Native American literature, sociology, modern politics, and history all thrown in together and thoroughly glossed over was a poor concept.  Especially since it was forced and not elective.  In almost every other sphere of learning there were numerous options.  For example, I wasn't all that interested in biology since finding out how mitochondria fornicate really doesn't interest me, so I took a Physical Anthropology class instead.  I would rather have taken a Pre-Columbian American History class, and I think that would have given me a better understanding and appreciation for the subject matter than the "studies" class was able to.  

And in rebuttal to the "R" word, it's not so much a matter of racism.. The "studies" classes will never replace genuine interest and curiosity, and they really aren't doing anything to integrate the peoples of the world into one solid narrative.  

Point taken, and please, I wasn't trying to accuse you as a racist so much as critique what I felt was "a bit" racist about the comment itself.  Let me flip it on its head for you as to why ethnic studies classes shouldn't be merely "electives"

When those Indian kids, or Chicanos, or Mexicans, or Chinese, or black, or any other folks considered by the establishment as "non-whites" take history and social studies and literature classes, they are bombarded with a Eurocentric curriculum which they didn't necessarily choose either.  So when we integrate Ethnic studies programs into the mainstream, it is really no different then teaching about George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or King George or King Louis XIV etc etc.

America is a pluralistic, diverse society, and we all benefit by a diverse educational program, and since by default much of our education is involuntary, to include ethnic studies courses into these mandatory programs is really no different a process, and is also a very good one.  While you may not have personally felt you learned a lot in that single Native-American studies course, how do you know the others didn't? And further, why are you criticizing an entire academic system and program based upon a single experience with one class?

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2011, 06:23:58 PM »

lulz @ non-European education. Period.

Everyone at any University in the world should be thanking everyday European White Men for bestowing the Western Tradition upon us, no matter how much it has been abused and used for such things as x-studies.

But who cares, in the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show of higher education, the greater part of the American University system is becoming the puppy mill.

So let the x-studies have their departments to churn out pointless and meaningless minors and, God forbid, majors which cover tangential and irrelevant material that should have been supplemental summer reading during junior high and maybe the first two years of high school. And will zero impact on the critical thinking skills, marketability, or knowledge of the canon upon which schools of thought are built.

They are easy As though. And that means in the typical American University, you just have to show up.

Heck, if the American public school system just didn't repeat the same material year after year with just a little more granularity up to high school. I would apportion an entire quarter to all those "minorities" that get overlooked. They can each get a week.

I went to some country, peckerwood school and by the time I was in seventh grade I could tell you who Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, George Washington Carver, Dubious, Sitting Bull, Emma Goldman, keep on going was and why MLK was a plagiarist and philanderer and both were used against him by the government, etc.

It is time to start closing down Universities in America starting with graduate departments in the humanities and undergraduate departments in x studies.

Higher education has become a hustle.

Want to know about "African-American" history. Watch PBS during February or use a library card or wait . . . the internet.

Time get back to the basics. A few streamlined and competitive programs for the humanities and challenging professional programs. And bring back the trade schools.

Most students after high school shouldn't be taking a humanity nor need to if high schools functioned properly.

At the local State school, the have a "University College" where you can take remedial math, reading, and they also house the various x studies that have to do with the marginalized in academia.

You don't even need a high school degree to matriculate. But you are free to take lotsa loans to learn to read, write, add, and learn about Malcolm X.

In other words to go through elementary to junior high school again with a smattering of "minority" studies classes.




 

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So let the x-studies have their departments to churn out pointless and meaningless minors and, God forbid, majors which cover tangential and irrelevant material that should have been supplemental summer reading during junior high and maybe the first two years of high school.


 

Not to knock you down from way up there, but my degree is in one of the "meaningless, God forbidden" x-studies majors (History: Emphasis African Studies) and I would argue that our fields are far from worthless, we are the specialists who bring that diversity to overall curriculum.  How in the world do you think you ever heard of Marcus Garvey at a backwoods school in the first place Wink
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 03:45:42 PM »

To orthonorm et al- I was an Asian Studies major and I definitely learned a thing or two that one doesn't see on PBS or the internet. While I agree that the single catch-all "studies" courses are pretty useless, that's completely different from the major, which involves taking in-depth courses in literature, language, history etc.. "Back to basics"- okay, but Chinese history should be considered "basic" at this point in history. x

I went to a decent public school district and if Marcus Garvey or Emma Goldman were ever mentioned I can assure you that no more than 5 minutes were allotted to them. Of the people who learned about Emma Goldman at your school, how many would you say have a basic grasp of the philosophy and goals of anarchism? I doubt many do- hardly anyone in the US does- and if someone doesn't grasp that then I'd say the study of Emma Goldman was a failure.
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Well, I only ever took one of these classes and I thought the concept of having Native American literature, sociology, modern politics, and history all thrown in together and thoroughly glossed over was a poor concept.  Especially since it was forced and not elective.  In almost every other sphere of learning there were numerous options.  For example, I wasn't all that interested in biology since finding out how mitochondria fornicate really doesn't interest me, so I took a Physical Anthropology class instead.  I would rather have taken a Pre-Columbian American History class, and I think that would have given me a better understanding and appreciation for the subject matter than the "studies" class was able to.  

And in rebuttal to the "R" word, it's not so much a matter of racism.. The "studies" classes will never replace genuine interest and curiosity, and they really aren't doing anything to integrate the peoples of the world into one solid narrative.  

Point taken, and please, I wasn't trying to accuse you as a racist so much as critique what I felt was "a bit" racist about the comment itself.  Let me flip it on its head for you as to why ethnic studies classes shouldn't be merely "electives"

When those Indian kids, or Chicanos, or Mexicans, or Chinese, or black, or any other folks considered by the establishment as "non-whites" take history and social studies and literature classes, they are bombarded with a Eurocentric curriculum which they didn't necessarily choose either.  So when we integrate Ethnic studies programs into the mainstream, it is really no different then teaching about George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or King George or King Louis XIV etc etc.

America is a pluralistic, diverse society, and we all benefit by a diverse educational program, and since by default much of our education is involuntary, to include ethnic studies courses into these mandatory programs is really no different a process, and is also a very good one.  While you may not have personally felt you learned a lot in that single Native-American studies course, how do you know the others didn't? And further, why are you criticizing an entire academic system and program based upon a single experience with one class?

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Brazil is a pluralistic multicultural society too. But we don't have North-American ethnicity classes anywhere. Despite we having at least two-cities founded by refugees of the Civil War, we don't see much of the history or culture of the U.S. in high school and the little we hear is from a strictly liberal point of view. In fact, the US is shown as a cultureless land of white barbarians who do nothing but oppress everybody else. Americans are obviously a minority here and certainly victims of discrimination due to the much prejudice liberals foment against their own country.

Should we have American cultural studies, American-Brazilian affirmative action and anti-Anti-American dessensibilization classes? Maybe we should mandate the reading of the Founding Fathers at high school?
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Orthonorm, the borderline coherence of your rant is the best argument against your program.
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Thats because politicians dont have to use race politics to bait and buy the north-american vote.
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If you need specialists to bring "diversity" I doubt its really needed.

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Um, wrong. Many "tribal" (I'm guessing this is your way of saying African or native American) societies have plenty of cultural material that is of value and interest and certainly enough to make a career studying.
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Orthonorm, the borderline coherence of your rant is the best argument against your program.


But you could be causing me to show my hand here so I'll delete the above.

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Um, wrong. Many "tribal" (I'm guessing this is your way of saying African or native American) societies have plenty of cultural material that is of value and interest and certainly enough to make a career studying.
I did not say cultural things worth studying. Of course they do. However, sub-saharan african tribes have given nothing to modern civilization (which is what my comment above was). Unfortunately, we stopped the Amer-Indians from contributing much (to the European settler's shame).

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Bring back trade schools...I agree 100%.

Great post orthonorm.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2011, 09:39:32 AM »

I think the line needs to be drawn between forced classes and elective classes.  Iconodule and Habte, the very fact that you have degrees in this subject leads me to believe that you chose this path.  (For the record, I have a History major, emphasis on Classical History).  I think that basic Chinese history would be useful in the current world, but then most Americans don't know American history.  Anything else gets into a more specialized realm and should be reserved for people who are serious about learning the subject matter.

I agree 100% with Orthonorm that trade schools need to come back.  Most people need to learn a skill or a trade.  Making everyone get a Bachelors degree not only wastes their time and potential but also dilutes the quality of the degree itself.  There were people in many of my classes who didn't know who the major participants in the Peloponnesian War were.  To the vast majority of people this is trivial information.  When you are dealing with ancient Greek history, it's kind of important.
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So let the x-studies have their departments to churn out pointless and meaningless minors and, God forbid, majors which cover tangential and irrelevant material that should have been supplemental summer reading during junior high and maybe the first two years of high school.


 

Not to knock you down from way up there, but my degree is in one of the "meaningless, God forbidden" x-studies majors (History: Emphasis African Studies) and I would argue that our fields are far from worthless, we are the specialists who bring that diversity to overall curriculum.  How in the world do you think you ever heard of Marcus Garvey at a backwoods school in the first place Wink
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For the life of me, I can not fathom those who view the study of non-western European cultures and history as somehow being 'threat' to the 'American' way of life? Especially since many who have those 'political' opinions usually voice an irrational anti-Western rant when it comes to matters of Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism and other aspects of European culture and history? Emerson always comes to my mind in such instances. (You remember the quote about a certain consistency......?)

Just a few good reasons for why this is important in my humble opinion: For example, we Americans view the history of western exploration beginning in 1492 with Columbus through and including our Pilgrims, Jamestown Colony etc.. rightfully as being critical to developing an understanding of 'American exceptionalism.' OK, that's true.  However..these figures and events almost seem 'contemporary' to our school kids and to many of us. Yet, in the Orthodox world, 1492 was within the lives and memories of Greeks who lived through the fall of the Byzantine Empire! To Muslim children the loss of Iberia and the loss of Cordoba resonate as if they were contemporary happenings. Yet most Americans don't have any idea of that part of history. Most Americans are blissfully unaware of 20th century issues that burn in the minds of the oppressed - such as the population transfers countenances by the victorious Allied powers that depopulated Christian Constantinople following the first world war.

All of these, and countless other historical and cultural developments, are captured in literature, poetry and history of the many of the world's peoples -including the families and cultures which many of us 'cradle' Orthodox left behind in Europe and the Mideast. We live in a global economy and in a much smaller world than did our parents and grandparents.

Yes - trade schools are needed, skill teaching is needed and college is not for everyone. But a blanket denigration of multi-cultural education is short-sighted and ostrich-like, given today's world. (Obviously, I endorse education for American children that is USA-centered, and positive about our history. But that can't be the only thing. )
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2011, 05:34:50 PM »

Hey! As the whitest of pseudo-Hispanic people, I take...offense (?)...to this thread! Maybe. I don't know. It doesn't seem to be about the OP anymore, so I forget how I'm supposed to be feeling. My grandmother came from Mexico, but married an English-speaking Irish guy, and then they adopted my father. So it is that I have an Irish last name even though I'm not that, and speak Spanish more or less natively (since ~4 years old) even though I'm not THAT either...so what's all this about multiculturalism being nonsense in this thread? Unfair, unfair, unfair!  Grin

But that's America, right? Sounds like some of you might have sour grapes because you had to eat ham (blechhh!) at Christmas instead of tamales (or injera, for Habte Wink). Too bad, so sad for you.

But in all seriousness, if you believe that culturally diverse classes are a waste of your time, then just BS your way through them if you need to take them (it's not that hard; I did it), then go about your merry way in whatever department you're in. Or stay out of college and complain how useless it is. Chances are time will prove you right after society finally collapses and nobody needs a linguist like me, but everyone will clamoring for the trade school electricians and whoever builds zombie-proof panic room doors.

Until then, I am quite happy being a cultural mutt and using my training to support and further the knowledge and understanding of various linguistic/ethno-linguistic minorities and language in general. I believe that this is inherently valuable knowledge to have and pass on, and will only become more valuable in the future as the impenetrable oceans and other barriers of the past are viewed as challenges of a different era.

But I dunno...maybe anti-college posts in this thread were only meant for people who majored in pre-Colombian basket-weaving or whatever...cos, yeah, really, what are those people thinking...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 02:03:29 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!



But that's America, right? Sounds like some of you might have sour grapes because you had to eat ham (blechhh!) at Christmas instead of tamales (or injera, for Habte Wink). Too bad, so sad for you.



I'm born and raised eastside of LA yo, pass the tam-aa-leeeeeeeee-ss

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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2011, 04:35:07 PM »

Haha. Aww, man...great, now I have to share...  Angry Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2011, 11:05:33 PM »


But in all seriousness, if you believe that culturally diverse classes are a waste of your time, then just BS your way through them if you need to take them (it's not that hard; I did it), ...

Yeah.  That's what I did too.  Wish I could have BS'd through the paying for the class part, though.  How's this for an idea, if you don't get anything out of a class you can get half your money back, unless it is an elective class you took on your own accord?

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... then go about your merry way in whatever department you're in. Or stay out of college and complain how useless it is. Chances are time will prove you right after society finally collapses and nobody needs a linguist like me, but everyone will clamoring for the trade school electricians and whoever builds zombie-proof panic room doors.

Until then, I am quite happy being a cultural mutt and using my training to support and further the knowledge and understanding of various linguistic/ethno-linguistic minorities and language in general. I believe that this is inherently valuable knowledge to have and pass on, and will only become more valuable in the future as the impenetrable oceans and other barriers of the past are viewed as challenges of a different era.

But I dunno...maybe anti-college posts in this thread were only meant for people who majored in pre-Colombian basket-weaving or whatever...cos, yeah, really, what are those people thinking...  Roll Eyes

College is useful for some people.  Not for others.  I just wish more emphasis was put on useful trades though.  My brother did it the smart way.  He skipped the gen-eds, took all his Diesel Technology classes and then got into an internship.  Following the internship he stayed on at the job and dropped out of school.  As for me, I enjoyed college for the most part, especially when I was able to take more History classes.  I tried as best I could to take classes that were enjoyable as well as fulfilled a requirement.  The times when I was unable to were pretty dull, but other than that I learned a lot.
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2011, 11:35:11 PM »


Yeah.  That's what I did too.  Wish I could have BS'd through the paying for the class part, though.  How's this for an idea, if you don't get anything out of a class you can get half your money back, unless it is an elective class you took on your own accord?

Aside from the inevitability of abuse (I can think of several classes in my department that were useless, or proved so for me as I moved into more specialized areas) and the fact that the schools depend on squeezing as much money out of you as they possibly can?

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College is useful for some people.  Not for others.  I just wish more emphasis was put on useful trades though.  My brother did it the smart way.  He skipped the gen-eds, took all his Diesel Technology classes and then got into an internship.  Following the internship he stayed on at the job and dropped out of school.  As for me, I enjoyed college for the most part, especially when I was able to take more History classes.  I tried as best I could to take classes that were enjoyable as well as fulfilled a requirement.  The times when I was unable to were pretty dull, but other than that I learned a lot.

My brother went to a trade school, to work on cars. Now he's a drum technician for one of those 70s/80s rock'n'roll nostalgia acts. Go figure. It takes all kinds, I guess.
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2011, 01:11:29 AM »

greetings in that divine and most precious name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!



Well, I only ever took one of these classes and I thought the concept of having Native American literature, sociology, modern politics, and history all thrown in together and thoroughly glossed over was a poor concept.  Especially since it was forced and not elective.  In almost every other sphere of learning there were numerous options.  For example, I wasn't all that interested in biology since finding out how mitochondria fornicate really doesn't interest me, so I took a Physical Anthropology class instead.  I would rather have taken a Pre-Columbian American History class, and I think that would have given me a better understanding and appreciation for the subject matter than the "studies" class was able to.  

And in rebuttal to the "R" word, it's not so much a matter of racism.. The "studies" classes will never replace genuine interest and curiosity, and they really aren't doing anything to integrate the peoples of the world into one solid narrative.  

Point taken, and please, I wasn't trying to accuse you as a racist so much as critique what I felt was "a bit" racist about the comment itself.  Let me flip it on its head for you as to why ethnic studies classes shouldn't be merely "electives"

When those Indian kids, or Chicanos, or Mexicans, or Chinese, or black, or any other folks considered by the establishment as "non-whites" take history and social studies and literature classes, they are bombarded with a Eurocentric curriculum which they didn't necessarily choose either.  So when we integrate Ethnic studies programs into the mainstream, it is really no different then teaching about George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or King George or King Louis XIV etc etc.

America is a pluralistic, diverse society, and we all benefit by a diverse educational program, and since by default much of our education is involuntary, to include ethnic studies courses into these mandatory programs is really no different a process, and is also a very good one.  While you may not have personally felt you learned a lot in that single Native-American studies course, how do you know the others didn't? And further, why are you criticizing an entire academic system and program based upon a single experience with one class?

stay blessed,
habte selassie


Brazil is a pluralistic multicultural society too. But we don't have North-American ethnicity classes anywhere. Despite we having at least two-cities founded by refugees of the Civil War, we don't see much of the history or culture of the U.S. in high school and the little we hear is from a strictly liberal point of view. In fact, the US is shown as a cultureless land of white barbarians who do nothing but oppress everybody else. Americans are obviously a minority here and certainly victims of discrimination due to the much prejudice liberals foment against their own country.

Should we have American cultural studies, American-Brazilian affirmative action and anti-Anti-American dessensibilization classes? Maybe we should mandate the reading of the Founding Fathers at high school?
as I've mentioned elsewhere, the last time I was at the White House of the Confederacy in Richmond, there was the Brazilian soccer team members who were visiting "the Old Country"-Dixie.
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