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Diatesseron in the Paschal Service???
« on: September 28, 2011, 07:49:02 PM »
Today, in my New Testament class, my Professor was briefly discussing the Diatesseron, with relation to differences in the Resurrection accounts, between the Gospels.  At one point, he said that a former student - who is Greek Orthodox - informed him that the Orthodox Church uses the Diatesseron on Pascha Sunday.  I had never heard this before.  I have done a quick Google search and it turned up nothing.  Before I contradict my Professor, via e-mail or some such thing, I thought I should probably see if anyone could confirm this. 
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Re: Diatesseron in the Paschal Service???
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 07:55:12 PM »
Maybe he was talking about the Twelve Passion Gospels of Great and Holy Thursday?
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Re: Diatesseron in the Paschal Service???
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2011, 08:10:16 PM »
The only Church that I'm aware of that uses the Diatessaron is the Syriac (OO) Church.  Otherwise, the EO and majority of OO Churches do not use it at all, on any day, in any way.
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Re: Diatesseron in the Paschal Service???
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2011, 08:29:56 PM »
Maybe he was talking about the Twelve Passion Gospels of Great and Holy Thursday?

What is this?

And Father, thank you - I should think you know better than a random former student.
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Re: Diatesseron in the Paschal Service???
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 08:34:54 PM »
Maybe he was talking about the Twelve Passion Gospels of Great and Holy Thursday?
What is this?

The pericope of readings on Holy Thursday evening (which is Matins of Holy Friday) - 12 Gospel readings all focused on the Passion and Crucifixion.  All the readings come from the traditional 4 gospels (i.e. not from the Diatessaron), but there could have been a confusion on the student's part...
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Re: Diatesseron in the Paschal Service???
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2011, 08:42:09 PM »
Maybe he was talking about the Twelve Passion Gospels of Great and Holy Thursday?
What is this?

The pericope of readings on Holy Thursday evening (which is Matins of Holy Friday) - 12 Gospel readings all focused on the Passion and Crucifixion.  All the readings come from the traditional 4 gospels (i.e. not from the Diatessaron), but there could have been a confusion on the student's part...
The student may have just been referring to gospel harmonies in general rather than the specific Diatesseron.

If that's the case, then the Orthodox do have Gospel readings in Holy Week taken from all four Gospels which could be considered Gospel harmonies.
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Re: Diatesseron in the Paschal Service???
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 04:59:17 PM »
Maybe he was talking about the Twelve Passion Gospels of Great and Holy Thursday?
What is this?

The pericope of readings on Holy Thursday evening (which is Matins of Holy Friday) - 12 Gospel readings all focused on the Passion and Crucifixion.  All the readings come from the traditional 4 gospels (i.e. not from the Diatessaron), but there could have been a confusion on the student's part...
The student may have just been referring to gospel harmonies in general rather than the specific Diatesseron.

If that's the case, then the Orthodox do have Gospel readings in Holy Week taken from all four Gospels which could be considered Gospel harmonies.

The Diatessaron is not just a Gospel harmony but a Gnostic compilation. I don't think it is used in Syria any more. Blessed Theodoret of Cyrus persuaded those who had them in his diocese to exchange them for the four canonical Gospels.
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Re: Diatesseron in the Paschal Service???
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 10:29:33 PM »
Maybe he was talking about the Twelve Passion Gospels of Great and Holy Thursday?
What is this?

The pericope of readings on Holy Thursday evening (which is Matins of Holy Friday) - 12 Gospel readings all focused on the Passion and Crucifixion.  All the readings come from the traditional 4 gospels (i.e. not from the Diatessaron), but there could have been a confusion on the student's part...
The student may have just been referring to gospel harmonies in general rather than the specific Diatesseron.

If that's the case, then the Orthodox do have Gospel readings in Holy Week taken from all four Gospels which could be considered Gospel harmonies.

The Diatessaron is not just a Gospel harmony but a Gnostic compilation. I don't think it is used in Syria any more. Blessed Theodoret of Cyrus persuaded those who had them in his diocese to exchange them for the four canonical Gospels.

The Diatessaron was arranged by Tatian and he deleted some verses but he did not add any gnostic verses.  The Syrian Church used it litugically until the 5th century and St. Ephraim wrote a commentary on it.
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