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The Polish Orthodox Church will soon see an event that has not happened since the early 1900s. Plans are underway to build a new church in Warsaw, which will make it the third Orthodox parish overall in the city. From the article: Several proposals have been mooted over the last two years, as regards the location of the new house of worship. However, clashes with other projects, or a lack of suitable infrastructure, caused those plans to fall by the wayside.
However, the archbishop's office is confident that the current option – which has not provoked any problems - will bear fruit. The plot, which covers about half a hectare is currently owned by the city. |
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 03:24:46 AM » |
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It will be nice if it happens. Currently all 6 Warsaw Churches and Chapels are in the northern part of the city.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 04:05:22 PM » |
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There will be one more Church built (propably even sooner than the aforementioned one) - the Military Ordinariate Cathedral.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 05:45:16 PM » |
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I hope it will be built, beacause there we have only two "real" churches - the rest are chapels which have parishional functions. However, some people protest against the construction of any orthodox church in Warsaw; as Michał quoted, for the first of these new churches there were several proposals. For the Military Ordinate firstly it was proposed also another location, close to the main airport of Warsaw (beacause it's military terrain), but somebody said "it would be inappropriate if the first building that arriving people saw would be an orthodox church". There were also another stupid commentaries. It looks like some Warsaw citizens don't care that some Orthodox have a vast distance to the nearest church.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 05:47:49 PM » |
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Actually I also don't see the point in maintaining a virtual diocese with no faithful using state money.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 11:27:26 PM » |
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I hope it will be built, beacause there we have only two "real" churches - the rest are chapels which have parishional functions. However, some people protest against the construction of any orthodox church in Warsaw; as Michał quoted, for the first of these new churches there were several proposals. For the Military Ordinate firstly it was proposed also another location, close to the main airport of Warsaw (beacause it's military terrain), but somebody said "it would be inappropriate if the first building that arriving people saw would be an orthodox church". There were also another stupid commentaries. It looks like some Warsaw citizens don't care that some Orthodox have a vast distance to the nearest church.
What a stupid comment - how many people in the general population can tell apart an Orthodox from a Catholic church? Well in a few years they'll be wishing it was Orthodox churches being built instead of Mosques and Minarets..... |
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 12:46:26 AM » |
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I hope it will be built, beacause there we have only two "real" churches - the rest are chapels which have parishional functions. However, some people protest against the construction of any orthodox church in Warsaw; as Michał quoted, for the first of these new churches there were several proposals. For the Military Ordinate firstly it was proposed also another location, close to the main airport of Warsaw (beacause it's military terrain), but somebody said "it would be inappropriate if the first building that arriving people saw would be an orthodox church". There were also another stupid commentaries. It looks like some Warsaw citizens don't care that some Orthodox have a vast distance to the nearest church.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 03:53:51 AM » |
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Well in a few years they'll be wishing it was Orthodox churches being built instead of Mosques and Minarets..... Poland is one of the most if not the most homogenous countries in Europe. Take your racist scare mongering elsewhere. |
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Well in a few years they'll be wishing it was Orthodox churches being built instead of Mosques and Minarets..... Poland is one of the most if not the most homogenous countries in Europe. Take your racist scare mongering elsewhere. Get stuffed you Russophobe. Your anti-Russian positions have been firmly established. Maybe you should take your prejudices elsewhere. Greece, Italy, Spain were also homogenous countries (Europeans) less than 20 years ago. Demographics change especially when traitors like you sit back and welcome in Islamic hordes with open arms. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 05:06:27 AM » |
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What a stupid comment - how many people in the general population can tell apart an Orthodox from a Catholic church?
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 05:52:44 AM » |
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Actually I also don't see the point in maintaining a virtual diocese with no faithful using state money.
Well, the issue of Military cathedral is another problem - it's probably less necessary than a normal parishional church, but, firstly, there are some people who attend military chapel, secondly, it could show to the society that Orthodox are part of Poland - some think Orthodox Military cathedral will be for Russians soldiers (there were such commentaries). Futhermore, The Polish Orthodox Ordinariate will give some money for the construction. In Poland the architecture of Orthodox and Catholic church is very diffrent so people distinguish them without any problems. Unfortunately, in Warsaw there are in construction two new mosques. There were protests against the first one, but not a lot of people heard about the second one. Statistics say that there are much less muslims thatn Orthodox in Warsaw, so I don't see the point in the protests against a christian temple. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 06:02:10 AM » |
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there are some people who attend military chapel, How many of them are soldiers that are unable to attend normal parishes? Futhermore, The Polish Orthodox Ordinariate will give some money for the construction. The state will give 85% of the needed amount of money. Unfortunately, in Warsaw there are in construction two new mosques. There were protests against the first one, but not a lot of people heard about the second one. Why the Orthodox should be allowed to build their temples and Muslims shouldn't? |
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 06:52:40 AM » |
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How many of them are soldiers that are unable to attend normal parishes? To tell the truth, I don't know. I only know some non-soldries who attend this chapel  so I have no idea of proportions there Why the Orthodox should be allowed to build their temples and Muslims shouldn't? I don't say Muslims shouldn't be allowed to build their temples; I only want an equal treating. Of course, personally I think it's better to allow to build a christian temple than a muslim one. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 08:28:11 AM » |
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Well in a few years they'll be wishing it was Orthodox churches being built instead of Mosques and Minarets..... Poland is one of the most if not the most homogenous countries in Europe. Take your racist scare mongering elsewhere. Get stuffed you Russophobe. Your anti-Russian positions have been firmly established. Maybe you should take your prejudices elsewhere. Greece, Italy, Spain were also homogenous countries (Europeans) less than 20 years ago. Demographics change especially when traitors like you sit back and welcome in Islamic hordes with open arms. Nice try. I speak fluent Russian, speak only Russian at home and live in one of the most Russophone areas outside of Russia. I even attend an UOC-MP parish. If your definition of russophobia is not liking jingoism and the current policies of the Kremlin, then something close to the majority of Russians would be russophobes. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 09:30:35 AM » |
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To tell the truth, I don't know. I only know some non-soldries who attend this chapel so I have no idea of proportions there According to its statute its faithful are soldiers, their families, civil employees of the Army, students of military schools and patients of military hospitals and other institutions. So it looks like it does not meet its statutory tasks. And chaplains still have officers' wages. I don't say Muslims shouldn't be allowed to build their temples; I only want an equal treating. Me too. There is no single mosque in Warsaw. Of course, personally I think it's better to allow to build a christian temple than a muslim one. Why? |
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 03:16:18 PM » |
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Me too. There is no single mosque in Warsaw. They have a mosque. Well, some call it "the building of prayer". I know that for their feasts it is full, but generally not (one of my friends is muslim). I understand they need a one "real", roomy temple. But why at once two? Why? The answer is easy. I'm against any kind of islamization. In Poland islam is being slowly introduced, but that's another topic. I also want equal treating of christians and muslims in cradle christian countries, such as Egypt. To end, if there is a necessity to build a mosque, we should agree because of tolerance and justice. But construction of a new Orthodox church can't be a problem too. |
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 03:24:13 PM » |
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They have a mosque. In a detached house. I understand they need a one "real", roomy temple. But why at once two? Maybe one is not enough? At least they don't built temples for colour parties. In Poland islam is being slowly introduced, but that's another topic. Very slowly since it is in Poland since XV century. I also want equal treating of christians and muslims in cradle christian countries, such as Egypt. That's not a Christian attitude. But construction of a new Orthodox church can't be a problem too.
Most of the protesters protest against: a) the fact it'll be built in the only one park in Southern Śródmieście b) the fact it'll built using state money |
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I also want equal treating of christians and muslims in cradle christian countries, such as Egypt. That's not a Christian attitude. Why? It is not any revenge, I just would like normal life and laws for our brothers and sisters. Most of the protesters protest against:
a) the fact it'll be built in the only one park in Southern Śródmieście
b) the fact it'll built using state money I agree with this that localization could be better and using state money to build any temple is not the best idea. The only reason in this case is that it's more conneced with represenatative and military functions. I'm not to judge what to do. I only notice that there have been and still exist problems with contruction of an Orthodox church in Warsaw because of difficult history. There were also protests against this church which (hopefully) will be build in Ursynow and it took years to make a decision. I have the impression (maybe not right) it's easier for muslims to build a mosque, than for christians of other denominations than catholicism to build a church. Especially for Orthodox because people connect our presence with Russian imperialism or something similar. |
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 04:09:17 PM » |
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I have the impression (maybe not right) it's easier for muslims to build a mosque, than for christians of other denominations than catholicism to build a church. Especially for Orthodox because people connect our presence with Russian imperialism or something similar.
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2012, 07:50:14 PM » |
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What a stupid comment - how many people in the general population can tell apart an Orthodox from a Catholic church?
If you mean a difference between an Orthodox and Roman Catholic - 99%. I'm talking about the average Canadian, American, Western European - they are ignorant. Most haven't got a clue what an Ortodox church looks like let alone the difference between Catholic and Orthodox churches. Are they worried about tourists seeing an Orthodox church when landing in Warsaw or their own citizens? |
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Me too. There is no single mosque in Warsaw. They have a mosque. Well, some call it "the building of prayer". I know that for their feasts it is full, but generally not (one of my friends is muslim). I understand they need a one "real", roomy temple. But why at once two? Why? The answer is easy. I'm against any kind of islamization. In Poland islam is being slowly introduced, but that's another topic. I also want equal treating of christians and muslims in cradle christian countries, such as Egypt. To end, if there is a necessity to build a mosque, we should agree because of tolerance and justice. But construction of a new Orthodox church can't be a problem too. Dominika, its great that you are against Islamisation. Once it starts in your country it is a rapid slippery slope downhill. Look at France, Holland and Germany and the problems their societies are having since they opened their borders to uncontrolled migration. |
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So Byron - you've responded to other posts in this thread but not mine. So admit that you indulged in ad hominem and incorrectly called me a russophobe or actually respond to my post.
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Me too. There is no single mosque in Warsaw. They have a mosque. Well, some call it "the building of prayer". I know that for their feasts it is full, but generally not (one of my friends is muslim). I understand they need a one "real", roomy temple. But why at once two? Why? The answer is easy. I'm against any kind of islamization. In Poland islam is being slowly introduced, but that's another topic. I also want equal treating of christians and muslims in cradle christian countries, such as Egypt. To end, if there is a necessity to build a mosque, we should agree because of tolerance and justice. But construction of a new Orthodox church can't be a problem too. Dominika, its great that you are against Islamisation. Once it starts in your country it is a rapid slippery slope downhill. Look at France, Holland and Germany and the problems their societies are having since they opened their borders to uncontrolled migration. Their problems started when they stopped going to church and started to kill their children (someone has to work to keep society going). If they had kept going to church and not started to abort their future, they wouldn't be having these problems. |
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A had a job offer for Warsaw awhile back, but I may be tempted on looking for another with this news..
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A had a job offer for Warsaw awhile back, but I may be tempted on looking for another with this news..
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Me too. There is no single mosque in Warsaw. They have a mosque. Well, some call it "the building of prayer". I know that for their feasts it is full, but generally not (one of my friends is muslim). I understand they need a one "real", roomy temple. But why at once two? Why? The answer is easy. I'm against any kind of islamization. In Poland islam is being slowly introduced, but that's another topic. I also want equal treating of christians and muslims in cradle christian countries, such as Egypt. To end, if there is a necessity to build a mosque, we should agree because of tolerance and justice. But construction of a new Orthodox church can't be a problem too. Dominika, its great that you are against Islamisation. Once it starts in your country it is a rapid slippery slope downhill. Look at France, Holland and Germany and the problems their societies are having since they opened their borders to uncontrolled migration. Their problems started when they stopped going to church and started to kill their children (someone has to work to keep society going). If they had kept going to church and not started to abort their future, they wouldn't be having these problems. Indeed, narcissism as the cause of death of the leisure class. Well, we had three kids so we did our part! |
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Me too. There is no single mosque in Warsaw. They have a mosque. Well, some call it "the building of prayer". I know that for their feasts it is full, but generally not (one of my friends is muslim). I understand they need a one "real", roomy temple. But why at once two? Why? The answer is easy. I'm against any kind of islamization. In Poland islam is being slowly introduced, but that's another topic. I also want equal treating of christians and muslims in cradle christian countries, such as Egypt. To end, if there is a necessity to build a mosque, we should agree because of tolerance and justice. But construction of a new Orthodox church can't be a problem too. Dominika, its great that you are against Islamisation. Once it starts in your country it is a rapid slippery slope downhill. Look at France, Holland and Germany and the problems their societies are having since they opened their borders to uncontrolled migration. While my view on islam as a religion is not exactly positive, this is actually not the case everywhere in Europe. |
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