that is like saying the New Testament comes chronologically after the Old Testament.
just drinking His blood, "drink indeed" John 6:26-7;53-8
Is mass the feeding of the five thousand?
But it's not necessary to be passing cups of it all over the place among hundreds of laity.
It also wasn't necessary to be feeding thousands of people by multiplying a few loaves of bread, and I bet it took a while to distribute.
Even if it were, there is no mention of wine in the feeding of the five thousand
After this Jesus went to the other side of the Sea of Galilee, which is the Sea of Tiber'i-as.
 And a multitude followed him, because they saw the signs which he did on those who were diseased.
 Jesus went up on the mountain, and there sat down with his disciples.
 Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.
 Lifting up his eyes, then, and seeing that a multitude was coming to him, Jesus said to Philip, "How are we to buy bread, so that these people may eat?"
 This he said to test him, for he himself knew what he would do.
 Philip answered him, "Two hundred denarii would not buy enough bread for each of them to get a little."
 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, said to him,
 "There is a lad here who has five barley loaves and two fish; but what are they among so many?"
 Jesus said, "Make the people sit down." Now there was much grass in the place; so the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
 Jesus then took the loaves, and when he had given thanks, he distributed them to those who were seated; so also the fish, as much as they wanted.
 And when they had eaten their fill, he told his disciples, "Gather up the fragments left over, that nothing may be lost."
 So they gathered them up and filled twelve baskets with fragments from the five barley loaves, left by those who had eaten.
 When the people saw the sign which he had done, they said, "This is indeed the prophet who is to come into the world!"
Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself.
 When evening came, his disciples went down to the sea,
 got into a boat, and started across the sea to Caper'na-um. It was now dark, and Jesus had not yet come to them.
 The sea rose because a strong wind was blowing.
 When they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and drawing near to the boat. They were frightened,
 but he said to them, "It is I; do not be afraid."
 Then they were glad to take him into the boat, and immediately the boat was at the land to which they were going.
No mention of wine or blood--just loaves and fish. The verses you referenced are, unless I'm mistaken, chronologically---after the feeding of the multitude.
Where you break off:
 On the next day the people who remained on the other side of the sea saw that there had been only one boat there, and that Jesus had not entered the boat with his disciples, but that his disciples had gone away alone.
 However, boats from Tiber'i-as came near the place where they ate the bread after the Lord had given thanks.
 So when the people saw that Jesus was not there, nor his disciples, they themselves got into the boats and went to Caper'na-um, seeking Jesus.  When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, "Rabbi, when did you come here?"
 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves.
 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you; for on him has God the Father set his seal."
Jesus and John explicitely link the feeding of the five thousand to the discourse on the Eucharist, making the former a prologue to the latter. Of course, someone can have their fill of loaves and fish, and move on. Many will-John 6:66.
But don't believe me, believe a Jesuit:
The various New Testament accounts of Jesus feeding the multitudes, the Last Supper of Jesus with his disciples, and the Early Christian Church's commemoration of the Lord's Supper (also called the "Breaking of the Bread" or later the "Eucharist" ), contain similar patterns of four key verbs (or their synonyms): http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/Eucharist.htm
The Feeding of the 5000 (in all four Gospels):
Mark 6:41 - "Taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven,
and blessed and broke the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before the people;
and he divided the two fish among them all."
Matt 14:19 - "Taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven,
and blessed and broke the loaves, and gave them to the disciples,
and the disciples gave them to the crowds."
Luke 9:16 - "And taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven,
and blessed and broke them, and gave them to the disciples to set before the crowd."
John 6:11 - "Then Jesus took the loaves,
and when he had given thanks, he distributed them to those who were seated;
so also the fish, as much as they wanted."....
"The Words of Institution" at the Christian Eucharist
Throughout the centuries, whenever the "Liturgy of the Eucharist" (also known as the "Lord's Supper," the "Mass," the "Divine Liturgy," and/or a "Communion Service") is celebrated in Christian Churches, the priest or minister usually speaks some words based closely on the above NT texts:
Before he was given up to death, a death he freely accepted,
Jesus took bread, and gave you thanks.
He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples and said:
"Take this, all of you, and eat it:
This is my body which will be given up for you."
When supper was ended, he took the cup.
Again he gave you thanks and praise, gave the cup to his disciples, and said:
"Take this, all of you, and drink from it:
This is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It will be shed for you and for all, so that sins may be forgiven.
Do this in memory of me."
I seem to recall the icon of the feeding of the multitudes as a favorite above the altar in the apse, along with the icon of the communion of the Apostles.
I understand your point. However...someone asked, "is mass the feeding of the five thousand?". Someone else said, "Even if it were, there is no mention of wine in the feeding of the five thousand."
You wrote, "just drinking His blood, "drink indeed" John 6:26-7;53-8". Am I correct in understanding that you are implying here that the Mass *is* the feeding of the 5 thousand?
Antidoron, as Christ indicated.
In John 6:26-7, the words "blood", "wine", and "drink" to not appear. In John 6:53-8, they do. However, my reading of it places John 6:26-7 and John 6:53-8 at different times and places. Is this incorrect?
Yes. John places in within one event. For instance, the following chapter 7 takes place at different times and places, but John binds them together as one event, Christ fullfilled the Feast of Tabernacles and pointing their fullfillment in the Church (esp. the reference to the coming of Pentecost on the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles). So too the preceding chapter 5 of healing on Pentecost and the discourse on the True Law (also in different places and times), and Christ telling parables, and then later and elsewhere explaining them to the Apostles.
Were the feeding of the 5 thousand and the Last Supper (where the Words of Institution were spoken) not 2 separate events in time and space?
The DL I went to last Sunday and "the Last Supper" (where at both the Words of Institution were spoken, in the same terms used, as the Jesuit pointed out, at the feeding of the multitude), humanly speaking 2 seperate events in time
, but the same Mystical Supper.
I'm *not* arguing or even trying to imply that the two sets of passages are not linked, even perhaps inextricably so. And I understand that the Mass and Eucharist transcend time and space. I'm just trying to point out that in the *specific* passages of the feeding of the 5 thousand as related in John, there is no mention of "blood", "wine", or "drink". That's all. Nothing more. Not looking for another p___ing contest. Happy to concede that you are far more knowledgeable than I. And I'm also happy to learn and grow in understanding.
Then the feeding of the multitude cannot be used as justification of denying the chalice, which is what started this strain, boldfaced above.
Btw, the multiplication of the loaves is the sign that proves Christ is eaten, but never consumed.
So, that said, it still leaves open the question why the Vatican decides to withhold the chalice, and on what basis, and for what need, overthrowing Catholic practice.