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a very important question
« on: September 16, 2011, 02:49:37 PM »
So all these folks debating about seats in the Orthodox Church....are these people pewgilists?


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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 02:53:33 PM »
 :D on the pun.

For the record, Pews are absolute heresy.  I would take both the Pope's slipper and the Sultan's scimitar over vile pews.  Unfortunately, they are just so comfortable during a long Liturgy...
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 02:57:42 PM »
 :D


I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 03:05:06 PM »
During my last visit to Ukraine, I told a number of Ukrainian Orthodox priests (canonical ones) that Orthodox churches in the USA have pews. They said: "Really? Good for you guys." And when I said that some Orthodox in the USA engage in long and serious debates on the subject of pews, they laughed.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 03:07:29 PM »
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I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.

Does your church do the dismissal of the Catechumens still?  Ours does, but our Priest always did the "Catechumens depart, let none remain" part in Slavonic so out Cat didn't understand and just stayed through the whole service.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 03:12:17 PM »
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I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.

Does your church do the dismissal of the Catechumens still?  Ours does, but our Priest always did the "Catechumens depart, let none remain" part in Slavonic so out Cat didn't understand and just stayed through the whole service.

Mine doesn't. I go through everything except walk forward for communion itself. The prayers, etc before and after I do right along with everyone.

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 03:35:21 PM »
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I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.

Does your church do the dismissal of the Catechumens still?  Ours does, but our Priest always did the "Catechumens depart, let none remain" part in Slavonic so out Cat didn't understand and just stayed through the whole service.

Mine doesn't. I go through everything except walk forward for communion itself. The prayers, etc before and after I do right along with everyone.

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Same here. My priest tells the people who are receiving the Communion to recite the prayers, so I just read along. I try to recite other prayers silently during that time, but my feet start screaming and I lose focus too easily.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 06:46:02 PM »
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I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.

Does your church do the dismissal of the Catechumens still?  Ours does, but our Priest always did the "Catechumens depart, let none remain" part in Slavonic so out Cat didn't understand and just stayed through the whole service.

Mine doesn't. I go through everything except walk forward for communion itself. The prayers, etc before and after I do right along with everyone.

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Same here. My priest tells the people who are receiving the Communion to recite the prayers, so I just read along. I try to recite other prayers silently during that time, but my feet start screaming and I lose focus too easily.
I asked my priest should I be doing everything and he told me, "Well, you join us to the degree that you want to, except for communion. That'll be later. If you want to do this, I would'nt stop you." I really appreciated him leaving it up to me. Something tells me that it wont happen much longer as my becoming a Catechumen is right around the corner  :D

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 06:58:01 PM »
Pews have a very important purpose. Let's say you're about to do prostrations, for example. There's no way you'll have enough room if you have pews, so by having the pews you limit the number of people who show up to the service, therefore you don't need as much space. If you had more pews more people would show up more, in which case you wouldn't have enough space, but if you had no pews you'd have more people than ever, which will get too crowded. Then people would be prostrating in the foyer and stuff.
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Re: a very important question
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2011, 08:35:47 PM »
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I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.

Does your church do the dismissal of the Catechumens still?  Ours does, but our Priest always did the "Catechumens depart, let none remain" part in Slavonic so out Cat didn't understand and just stayed through the whole service.

Mine doesn't. I go through everything except walk forward for communion itself. The prayers, etc before and after I do right along with everyone.

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I thought you were worshipping in a Western Rite parish?
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 11:40:26 AM »
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I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.

Does your church do the dismissal of the Catechumens still?  Ours does, but our Priest always did the "Catechumens depart, let none remain" part in Slavonic so out Cat didn't understand and just stayed through the whole service.

Mine doesn't. I go through everything except walk forward for communion itself. The prayers, etc before and after I do right along with everyone.

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I thought you were worshipping in a Western Rite parish?
I do worship at a WR parish. There's no slavonic or anything like that. After Matins we go straight into the DL. I do the entire liturgy and when folks go forward for communion, I go foward and get a blessing.

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 11:49:54 AM »


A newer Orthodox parish that still needs the icons painted on the walls.  Very nice pews, they considered foot rests for comfort but the parish council couldn't agree on it so they just put them in as is.

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Re: a very important question
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 01:13:40 PM »

Of course, God can be worshiped in all places....from large cathedrals to plain desert caves.

However, that photo just doesn't lend itself to my definition of worship.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2011, 05:35:46 PM »
:D


I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.

Does your church do the dismissal of the Catechumens still?  Ours does, but our Priest always did the "Catechumens depart, let none remain" part in Slavonic so out Cat didn't understand and just stayed through the whole service.

Mine doesn't. I go through everything except walk forward for communion itself. The prayers, etc before and after I do right along with everyone.

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I thought you were worshipping in a Western Rite parish?
I do worship at a WR parish. There's no slavonic or anything like that. After Matins we go straight into the DL. I do the entire liturgy and when folks go forward for communion, I go foward and get a blessing.

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I didn't realise there is a dismissal of the catechumens in the Western Liturgy.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2011, 06:10:11 PM »


A newer Orthodox parish that still needs the icons painted on the walls.  Very nice pews, they considered foot rests for comfort but the parish council couldn't agree on it so they just put them in as is.

I'm glad they're keeping the main thing, the main thing.  :P

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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2011, 11:29:12 AM »
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I'm against pews until sometime around Communion. I can't receive yet so I'm on my feet for infinity hours. Then I'm all for pews, man.

Does your church do the dismissal of the Catechumens still?  Ours does, but our Priest always did the "Catechumens depart, let none remain" part in Slavonic so out Cat didn't understand and just stayed through the whole service.

Mine doesn't. I go through everything except walk forward for communion itself. The prayers, etc before and after I do right along with everyone.

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I thought you were worshipping in a Western Rite parish?
I do worship at a WR parish. There's no slavonic or anything like that. After Matins we go straight into the DL. I do the entire liturgy and when folks go forward for communion, I go foward and get a blessing.

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I didn't realise there is a dismissal of the catechumens in the Western Liturgy.
I didn't either. I've not seen it yet.

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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2011, 12:08:01 PM »


A newer Orthodox parish that still needs the icons painted on the walls.  Very nice pews, they considered foot rests for comfort but the parish council couldn't agree on it so they just put them in as is.
That may as well be a Baptist church. That Church definitely needs some holy images.

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2011, 12:24:57 PM »
The congregation I attend is too small for its own church proper, so we meet in a private home that has liturgy in the living room. No pews there, but the younger kids seem to enjoy crawling around on the sofa...until mom comes over and yells at them, or grandma comes over and makes her granddaughter put on a headscarf, which is apparently the universal sign for "playtime is over" in the Coptic church (my Arabic isn't great, but that look from grandma is universal).

I like this system. Nobody has to have arguments about pews. I'm told that most Coptic churches in the USA have pews, though, so I guess this is not such a hot issue for Copts in the West (maybe because a lot of the buildings are purchased from Protestants or Catholics, so the layout is already established).

As I remember, the OCA church back home in California had no pews, but easily movable chairs when necessary (such as during the yearly presentations on Byzantine chant or Orthodox icons during the Glendi festival, that always attracted a lot of non-Orthodox), and the traditional bench along the wall for the elderly and infirm. I like this system, too. If we had a dedicated church building here in Albuquerque, I would want it to be like this. I don't think the pews in that picture would lend themselves to attentive worship. Isn't that what the debate over pews really boils down to?

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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2011, 12:26:53 PM »
I don't think the pews in that picture would lend themselves to attentive worship.

Why not? Those pews look quite comfortable to me...  ???
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2011, 12:38:28 PM »
This whole debate is rather childish and pew-erile.
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2011, 12:45:23 PM »
These jokes are pew-trid....

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2011, 12:47:57 PM »
These jokes are pew-trid....

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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2011, 01:32:13 PM »
These jokes are pew-trid....

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I was going to make a joke about pewter but I subconciously smacked myself...yeah, Im done :0

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2011, 01:40:29 PM »
Hey, but these funny pew threads are pew and far between.
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2011, 01:41:15 PM »
P-ew *holds nose* are the jokes getting bad in here...
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2011, 01:50:33 PM »
For these jokes, we should be pew-nished.

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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2011, 02:18:36 PM »


A newer Orthodox parish that still needs the icons painted on the walls.  Very nice pews, they considered foot rests for comfort but the parish council couldn't agree on it so they just put them in as is.
That may as well be a Baptist church. That Church definitely needs some holy images.

I wonder what the altar looks like in that church.

St. Nectarios Greek Orthodox Shrine and Church in Covina, California looks similar to that church, except that I do not recall those pew [bgcolor=#ff0900]cushions[/bgcolor]. How comfortable can one get? Sheesh!

St. Nectarios does not have any choir loft as the choir stands on the right side (by the Icon of Christ).
While the baptistry is on the right side near where the choir stands, the shrine to St. Nectarios is on the left.

Perhaps these two churches utilized the same architectural firm.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2011, 03:06:58 PM »


A newer Orthodox parish that still needs the icons painted on the walls.  Very nice pews, they considered foot rests for comfort but the parish council couldn't agree on it so they just put them in as is.
That may as well be a Baptist church. That Church definitely needs some holy images.

I wonder what the altar looks like in that church.

St. Nectarios Greek Orthodox Shrine and Church in Covina, California looks similar to that church, except that I do not recall those pew [bgcolor=#ff0900]cushions[/bgcolor]. How comfortable can one get? Sheesh!

St. Nectarios does not have any choir loft as the choir stands on the right side (by the Icon of Christ).
While the baptistry is on the right side near where the choir stands, the shrine to St. Nectarios is on the left.

Perhaps these two churches utilized the same architectural firm.
Well, I hope at least the altar is taller than a lili-pew-tian...ok now Im really done.


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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2011, 03:15:34 PM »


A newer Orthodox parish that still needs the icons painted on the walls.  Very nice pews, they considered foot rests for comfort but the parish council couldn't agree on it so they just put them in as is.
That may as well be a Baptist church. That Church definitely needs some holy images.

I wonder what the altar looks like in that church.

St. Nectarios Greek Orthodox Shrine and Church in Covina, California looks similar to that church, except that I do not recall those pew cushions. How comfortable can one get? Sheesh!

St. Nectarios does not have any choir loft as the choir stands on the right side (by the Icon of Christ).
While the baptistry is on the right side near where the choir stands, the shrine to St. Nectarios is on the left.

Perhaps these two churches utilized the same architectural firm.
Well, I hope at least the altar is taller than a lili-pew-tian...ok now Im really done.


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Yes, at St. Nectarios, the iconostasis and the altar are awesome. Just before the consecration of St. Nectarios around 2005, all the altar icons were installed. The Baptistry and the Shrine to St. Nectarios have had their iconography completed too. It is really beautiful. The exterior of the church resembles one found in Greece.

Edited to add: I corrected the tag links in my first post quoted above.
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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2011, 07:43:03 PM »
I'm pretty sure it's a joke  ;). It's a sample picture from a consulting service for seating equipment, nothing to indicate that they're from an Orthodox church  :P. http://www.shakespeareassociates.com/ChurchPewsChoralRisers.htm
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2011, 12:14:14 AM »


A newer Orthodox parish that still needs the icons painted on the walls.  Very nice pews, they considered foot rests for comfort but the parish council couldn't agree on it so they just put them in as is.
That may as well be a Baptist church. That Church definitely needs some holy images.

I wonder what the altar looks like in that church.

St. Nectarios Greek Orthodox Shrine and Church in Covina, California looks similar to that church, except that I do not recall those pew [bgcolor=#ff0900]cushions[/bgcolor]. How comfortable can one get? Sheesh!

St. Nectarios does not have any choir loft as the choir stands on the right side (by the Icon of Christ).
While the baptistry is on the right side near where the choir stands, the shrine to St. Nectarios is on the left.

Perhaps these two churches utilized the same architectural firm.

Good catch.

Nevertheless, St. Nectarios has a similar arrangement of seating. However, the lighting is different.
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