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« on: September 16, 2011, 01:40:48 AM »

To all the “bootstraps,” “self-made men,” and “self-sufficient souls”:
 
Congratulations on your success! I applaud your hard work and industrious spirit. You should be very proud. Not everyone possesses your intellectual prowess, your physical health, or your emotional and mental stability. So be proud that you are better than those of us who are so weak and dependent. Be proud that someone loved and cared enough to teach you early on to work hard, study hard, and make the most of your innate talents and abilities. Be proud that you are better than those lazy miscreants who were born into less nurturing environments. Be proud that you have never had to ask for a handout, because you always had the abundant support of invisible arms that enabled you to endure and achieve. Be proud that you need neither the government nor God; for you are blessed not to be crippled, and therefore you have the luxury of scoffing at such crutches. Be proud that you don’t have to deal with those irritating pangs of conscience that prick the rest of us when we pass by the homeless, the hungry, and the destitute; for you know that it’s their own damn fault. If they had simply been as well-born, well-nurtured, and well supported as you had, then they wouldn’t be out on the street hassling you.
 
So be proud of your self-sufficiency. Be proud that you did it all by yourself. I am truly amazed at your accomplishments; because as for myself, I am desperately dependent upon others.
         
I am dependent upon those who pick up my garbage; those who keep water flowing to my house; those who supply food to my local grocery store; those who make the clothes that I wear; those who grow the coffee that I drink; those who teach my children Sunday School; those who conduct the Divine Liturgy; those who worship with me and pray for me; those who love me, listen to me, and befriend me; those who give of their time, their love, and their money so that I can not only live but also live a life that’s worth living. Indeed, I am desperately dependent upon my God and my world.
 
I confess that I am no “self-made man,” no “self-sufficient soul”. No, not this sinner. I cannot boast of such a thing. I am far too reliant upon my family, my friends, and my Lord. There is nothing that I could do by myself, on my own- other than sin.
 
I remember the time I put on a pair of boots and tried with all my might to pull myself up by the straps. I promise you – and you may not believe this – but it’s impossible! Really! I mean, I tried and tried, but I could not do it! But then again, that was only my own personal experience. Apparently there are people who do it all the time. They tell me it’s possible, but I’ve yet to see it actually happen. I’ve heard a lot about these “bootstrap” people, but I haven’t met one yet. But then again, I haven’t been to the circus in years.
 
 
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 02:17:04 AM »

Gebre, I agree with much of what you've said here. I've often said that the Lord wills us to be born dependent and die dependent to teach us the lesson of our interconnectedness, so I am very much with you in your diagnosis of the human condition.

My question to you is -- does it necessarily follow from what you've said that State-sponsored, coercive redistribution of income is the best answer in this fallen world of ours?
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 02:33:25 AM »

Gebre, I agree with much of what you've said here. I've often said that the Lord wills us to be born dependent and die dependent to teach us the lesson of our interconnectedness, so I am very much with you in your diagnosis of the human condition.

My question to you is -- does it necessarily follow from what you've said that State-sponsored, coercive redistribution of income is the best answer in this fallen world of ours?



No, it does not follow. And I don't think anything I have written here would indicate such. I do not hesitate to criticize capitalism, but I am no advocate of socialism either. The systems of secular societies are all based upon the idolatry of the individual. Conservatism says, "You can do it on your own without any help from the government. You are an autonomous creature!" Liberalism says, "You are owed, you deserve, etc."

I draw tend to draw the ire of the both the left and the right, because I condemn these secular philosophies and try my best to align my thinking with the Gospel. And our Christian Faith teaches us that we are our brother's keeper, that we are accountable for our own sins, that we have a God Who is with us always, that there is no shame in confessing our need, that there is shame in ignoring the needs of our neighbors, that to whom much is given much is required, that we are to be faithful stewards of the talents we are given... Thus, as far as I can tell, the Gospel contradicts the intransigent agendas of both the left and the right.


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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 03:33:56 AM »

I didn't mean to accuse you of holding any particular view, I was more asking the question for the sake of discussion.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 03:47:57 AM »

I didn't mean to accuse you of holding any particular view, I was more asking the question for the sake of discussion.


No worries my friend. I didn't take it as an accusation. It is indeed a worthwhile discussion to have.


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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 06:54:22 AM »

Self-made men are, all too often, glaring examples of unskilled labor.  laugh
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 01:14:41 PM »

Self-made men are, all too often, glaring examples of unskilled labor.  laugh
Well, nothing like a smug, arrogant response to start my day.

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Asteriktos,

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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2011, 02:27:17 PM »

Self-made men are, all too often, glaring examples of unskilled labor.  laugh
Well, nothing like a smug, arrogant response to start my day.

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In LBK's defense, unskilled laborers show many of the traits of self-made men.  They have no advantages in this world, but still they work.  Theirs' is not the lot of the coddled state dependent.  They rely on themselves for their keep.  I have known many people flipping burgers, stocking shelves, and guarding banks who made their own way in life without complaint.  Many of the people I looked up to most when I was in high school and college were lower echelons, dregs of society.  They were uneducated, often felons, drug users, and bastards.  But they had a sense of pride an honour.  They could rely on no one in this world, but were always people you could rely on.  And the faith you could find in these people.  Rather fitting I would think, seeing as that our Lord was a carpenter who hung around thieves, whores, and tax collectors...not to mention unskilled laborers like fishermen.  Oh, and His cousin was technically a bum.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2011, 02:32:26 PM »

Self-made men are, all too often, glaring examples of unskilled labor.  laugh
Well, nothing like a smug, arrogant response to start my day.

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In LBK's defense, unskilled laborers show many of the traits of self-made men.  They have no advantages in this world, but still they work.  Theirs' is not the lot of the coddled state dependent.  They rely on themselves for their keep.  I have known many people flipping burgers, stocking shelves, and guarding banks who made their own way in life without complaint.  Many of the people I looked up to most when I was in high school and college were lower echelons, dregs of society.  They were uneducated, often felons, drug users, and bastards.  But they had a sense of pride an honour.  They could rely on no one in this world, but were always people you could rely on.  And the faith you could find in these people.  Rather fitting I would think, seeing as that our Lord was a carpenter who hung around thieves, whores, and tax collectors...not to mention unskilled laborers like fishermen.  Oh, and His cousin was technically a bum.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2011, 02:48:31 PM »

Meh...
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2011, 02:52:10 PM »

LBK may have very well meant it to be an insult, but i guess we all read things differently.
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2011, 02:53:16 PM »

If he did, then my original response I stand by. If it was a joke or not meant that way, then I apologize.

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2011, 02:57:05 PM »

It was just a funny quip and it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Chill.

The truth is there's no such thing as self-made men and people claiming to be such do tend to be delusional.
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2011, 03:12:58 PM »

I might be viewed to a certain extent a "self-made man," because I came to the USA penniless, was initially paid very little, lived in horrible apartments with unemployed refugees and prostitutes as neighbors, etc., and yet progressed from a fellow-trainee to a tenured university professor. However, I absolutely KNOW that if I did not bring with me my "elitist" Soviet education, I would NEVER make it here in the USA. Therefore, I do depend on a large number of people, alive and dead, who encouraged me to learn, taught me, excited me about learning, instilled some work ethic in me.
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2011, 03:36:06 PM »

It was just a funny quip and it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Chill.

The truth is there's no such thing as self-made men and people claiming to be such do tend to be delusional.
I do agree, although there are some that are more or less dependent than others. Smiley
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The truth is there's no such thing as self-made men and people claiming to be such do tend to be delusional.
Be thankful they're not blaming God for how they turned out.
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The truth is there's no such thing as self-made men and people claiming to be such do tend to be delusional.
Be thankful they're not blaming God for how they turned out.

The first "self-made man" blamed both God and his wife.
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Self-made men are, all too often, glaring examples of unskilled labor.  laugh
Well, nothing like a smug, arrogant response to start my day.

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In LBK's defense, unskilled laborers show many of the traits of self-made men.  They have no advantages in this world, but still they work.  Theirs' is not the lot of the coddled state dependent.  They rely on themselves for their keep.  I have known many people flipping burgers, stocking shelves, and guarding banks who made their own way in life without complaint.  Many of the people I looked up to most when I was in high school and college were lower echelons, dregs of society.  They were uneducated, often felons, drug users, and bastards.  But they had a sense of pride an honour.  They could rely on no one in this world, but were always people you could rely on.  And the faith you could find in these people.  Rather fitting I would think, seeing as that our Lord was a carpenter who hung around thieves, whores, and tax collectors...not to mention unskilled laborers like fishermen.  Oh, and His cousin was technically a bum.
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How neat those immigrants are!
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2011, 04:48:42 PM »

Yeah, like my parentsRoll Eyes

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The truth is there's no such thing as self-made men and people claiming to be such do tend to be delusional.
Be thankful they're not blaming God for how they turned out.

The first "self-made man" blamed both God and his wife.
But did he actually say, "I am a self-made man", which is how I was understanding the use in this thread.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2011, 05:14:35 PM »

It was just a funny quip and it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Chill.

The truth is there's no such thing as self-made men and people claiming to be such do tend to be delusional.

Most Americans do qualify as being in some form of prelest.
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2011, 05:27:21 PM »

It was just a funny quip and it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Chill.

The truth is there's no such thing as self-made men and people claiming to be such do tend to be delusional.

Most Americans do qualify as being in some form of prelest.

Don't we all?
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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2012, 05:40:09 AM »

Applause.

Can someone give me the original thread from whence this thread was created? I forgot it but I'm sure it was a good discussion. Probably invoked the Ukraine somewhere.

As far as self-made. I can only speak for myself because it's scary as hell with no safety net. Sure I have my parents to fall back on if crap hits the fan, but as of right now I have no help and am actually supporting someone in the meantime.

I know nothing of the boot-strap mentality. I was born with a silver spoon and got away with too much.

But I think it was that one thread where GiC's father worked his way up to provide a life for his family and used it against him as some sort of motivation.
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What people do not undestand is that the horrible affects of slavery, racial discrimination and neglect still affect minorities and certain groups of people to this very day. Just because you may not have physically been a slave or alive during the Civil Rights Movement does not mean that the horrible acts of racism and neglect committed by evil men in the past do not affect you. Indeed, it does still affect minority groups like Blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans up to this very day.
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2012, 10:19:49 PM »

I know this is an old thread.  But I don't entirely agree with the conviction in the OP.

Some people are "self made", and that doesn't meant that they were given the silver spoon.
Some people are "self-made", who worked hard, studied hard, and tried hard to better themselves.
Some people are "self-made", that don't consider themselves "self-sufficient souls" and know they need God.

Look, frankly, I bust my tail end outside all the time.   I don't know if I would consider myself "self made".   I don't know if I would say "I depend on others for everything".  I depend on others for very very little.   In fact schematics are drawn up right now for a cabin we want to build on some acreage, windmill built on a homebrew method (axial flux method), rain water catchments, solar setup off grid (no tie in).  I'm trying to be very self sufficient.   I've felt a draw to that my entire life.   

That doesn't mean that I don't need God.  I absolutely need God, as he is my strength and my salvation.

It's not a pride thing that says "I don't need others".   In ways I do need others, but perhaps much less than many people.  I try to learn and achieve things on my own.  It's not impossible to do.

When you work with God's creation and respect it, I believe he will open doors for people to see things they may have not before.
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2012, 10:28:45 PM »

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What people do not undestand is that the horrible affects of slavery, racial discrimination and neglect still affect minorities and certain groups of people to this very day. Just because you may not have physically been a slave or alive during the Civil Rights Movement does not mean that the horrible acts of racism and neglect committed by evil men in the past do not affect you. Indeed, it does still affect minority groups like Blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans up to this very day.

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Only because these groups choose to have it affect them. If you're a black guy carrying around a chip on your sholder because of slavery, you're pathetic. Show me your stripes from the lash or shut up.

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What people do not undestand is that the horrible affects of slavery, racial discrimination and neglect still affect minorities and certain groups of people to this very day. Just because you may not have physically been a slave or alive during the Civil Rights Movement does not mean that the horrible acts of racism and neglect committed by evil men in the past do not affect you. Indeed, it does still affect minority groups like Blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans up to this very day
Only because these groups choose to have it affect them. If you're a black guy carrying around a chip on your sholder because of slavery, you're pathetic. Show me your stripes from the lash or shut up.

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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2012, 03:14:44 PM »

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Is that beside the trap of the perpetual victim?

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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2012, 03:22:28 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

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What people do not undestand is that the horrible affects of slavery, racial discrimination and neglect still affect minorities and certain groups of people to this very day. Just because you may not have physically been a slave or alive during the Civil Rights Movement does not mean that the horrible acts of racism and neglect committed by evil men in the past do not affect you. Indeed, it does still affect minority groups like Blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans up to this very day
Only because these groups choose to have it affect them. If you're a black guy carrying around a chip on your sholder because of slavery, you're pathetic. Show me your stripes from the lash or shut up.

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Dude grow up.  Choose to affect them? Seriously? Did you really just type that? Systematic racism is still a tragic problem, and America has simply NEVER have an economic system of meritocracy, period.  It is not about a chip on anyone's shoulder, if anything, I always wonder why white folks get so touchy, defensive, and flinching about this issue.  Yes, America is racist still.  So what! Are you the racist? If not, then what are you always so defensive of this illusion of meritocracy?  "Show me the stripes from the lash? That is about the most insensitive thing I've seen posted here in a long time, I DEMAND an public apology by the way.

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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2012, 04:29:15 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2012, 04:37:55 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

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What people do not undestand is that the horrible affects of slavery, racial discrimination and neglect still affect minorities and certain groups of people to this very day. Just because you may not have physically been a slave or alive during the Civil Rights Movement does not mean that the horrible acts of racism and neglect committed by evil men in the past do not affect you. Indeed, it does still affect minority groups like Blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans up to this very day
Only because these groups choose to have it affect them. If you're a black guy carrying around a chip on your sholder because of slavery, you're pathetic. Show me your stripes from the lash or shut up.

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Dude grow up.  Choose to affect them? Seriously? Did you really just type that? Systematic racism is still a tragic problem, and America has simply NEVER have an economic system of meritocracy, period.  It is not about a chip on anyone's shoulder, if anything, I always wonder why white folks get so touchy, defensive, and flinching about this issue.  Yes, America is racist still.  So what! Are you the racist? If not, then what are you always so defensive of this illusion of meritocracy?  "Show me the stripes from the lash? That is about the most insensitive thing I've seen posted here in a long time, I DEMAND an public apology by the way.

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Because we see the effects of that chip all of the time. Hardly a few weeks go by when I'm not accused of racism because I make some decision that people feels adversely affects them. Ask to see an African American's ID - racist, can't make it to help an African American customer in time - racist, make a decision not to hire someone because of their limited availability - racist (all true, personal stories). For many it's just a convenient excuse to remain in their misery. They just can't seem to take personal responsibility for their life decisions. Far easier and more comfortable to blame others.
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2012, 04:42:02 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

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What people do not undestand is that the horrible affects of slavery, racial discrimination and neglect still affect minorities and certain groups of people to this very day. Just because you may not have physically been a slave or alive during the Civil Rights Movement does not mean that the horrible acts of racism and neglect committed by evil men in the past do not affect you. Indeed, it does still affect minority groups like Blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans up to this very day
Only because these groups choose to have it affect them. If you're a black guy carrying around a chip on your sholder because of slavery, you're pathetic. Show me your stripes from the lash or shut up.

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Dude grow up.  Choose to affect them? Seriously? Did you really just type that? Systematic racism is still a tragic problem, and America has simply NEVER have an economic system of meritocracy, period.  It is not about a chip on anyone's shoulder, if anything, I always wonder why white folks get so touchy, defensive, and flinching about this issue.  Yes, America is racist still.  So what! Are you the racist? If not, then what are you always so defensive of this illusion of meritocracy?  "Show me the stripes from the lash? That is about the most insensitive thing I've seen posted here in a long time, I DEMAND an public apology by the way.

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A true meritocracy would be pleasant.  Perhaps we could have all colleges free, admissions not based on race, and then make all entrance exams blind - i.e. give the student a number and have the test graded by someone who never even saw the student.  Do that, then get rid of affirmative action.  Then people would have to survive based on their own merits.  Kind of like boot-strapping.
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2012, 04:42:43 PM »

I really hate being stupidly more wise than others at times.

It's really my sliver of optimism that is causing my suffering.

A few more threads like these and I should be pain free.
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2012, 05:14:11 PM »

Anyone who thinks their whole life is screwed up because of racism really needs to stop being such a self-centered jerk off and wake up to the fact that there are plenty of white people in equally messed up situations.
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2012, 06:40:08 PM »

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Only because these groups choose to have it affect them. If you're a black guy carrying around a chip on your sholder because of slavery, you're pathetic. Show me your stripes from the lash or shut up.

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You clearly have no understanding of what I mean. Things are not equal. Minorities have it harder because the affects slavery had still affect them today. For example, because their ancestors were enslaved, they never had an opportunity to really make it big in America, and as a result, their children grew up poor, and then their children grew up poor as well, and it is a never ending chain that has even made it into today's society. When you grow up impoverished and everyone around you for generations has been poor, then you lose all hope and develop a loser's mentality where you do not even bother trying because you just think that you will end up like everyone else around you. Likewise, in many cases, it takes 'seed money' to get somewhere in the world. Usually parents provide their children with a little bit of seed money, but when your parents are poor and their parents were poor (going back to slavery) then you never get that seed money and things are harder for you. You clearly have a horrible understanding of things. As I just explained, just because you were not there when a bad event happened does not mean that it still did not have negative affects on your kind in the long run.
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2012, 06:44:15 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

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What people do not undestand is that the horrible affects of slavery, racial discrimination and neglect still affect minorities and certain groups of people to this very day. Just because you may not have physically been a slave or alive during the Civil Rights Movement does not mean that the horrible acts of racism and neglect committed by evil men in the past do not affect you. Indeed, it does still affect minority groups like Blacks, Mexicans and Native Americans up to this very day
Only because these groups choose to have it affect them. If you're a black guy carrying around a chip on your sholder because of slavery, you're pathetic. Show me your stripes from the lash or shut up.

PP

Dude grow up.  Choose to affect them? Seriously? Did you really just type that? Systematic racism is still a tragic problem, and America has simply NEVER have an economic system of meritocracy, period.  It is not about a chip on anyone's shoulder, if anything, I always wonder why white folks get so touchy, defensive, and flinching about this issue.  Yes, America is racist still.  So what! Are you the racist? If not, then what are you always so defensive of this illusion of meritocracy?  "Show me the stripes from the lash? That is about the most insensitive thing I've seen posted here in a long time, I DEMAND an public apology by the way.

stay blessed,
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Because we see the effects of that chip all of the time. Hardly a few weeks go by when I'm not accused of racism because I make some decision that people feels adversely affects them. Ask to see an African American's ID - racist, can't make it to help an African American customer in time - racist, make a decision not to hire someone because of their limited availability - racist (all true, personal stories). For many it's just a convenient excuse to remain in their misery. They just can't seem to take personal responsibility for their life decisions. Far easier and more comfortable to blame others.

While you bring up an interesting point, have you tried looking at it from their perspective? While I believe that you probably are not doing these things to them out of racism, did you ever try and understand that maybe they have genuine reasons to suspect racism? Racial profiling does indeed happen no matter how much the White conservatives want to ignore it, so I find it only natural that some minorities may take it offensive or as being racist when these things happen to them because there is indeed a good chance that they could be being racially profiled against.
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2012, 06:07:47 AM »

James, pretty much all of that is also true of lower class whites.  Go to the UK and replace chav with black / minority and you get pretty much the same equation. 
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2012, 06:17:01 AM »

I would like to know what the justification for racism against American Indians is. Bad teeth and diabetes? Alcoholism is a problem amongst indians. Yes, we need to take responsibility for that. But it is taking advantage of the situation when people set up bars and liquor stores right outside the boundary of a dry indian reservation.
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2012, 06:21:35 AM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/opinion/sunday/kristof-a-battle-with-the-brewers.html

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Pine Ridge, one of America’s largest Indian reservations, bans alcohol. The Oglala Sioux who live there struggle to keep alcohol out, going so far as to arrest people for possession of a can of beer. But the tribe has no jurisdiction over Whiteclay because it is just outside the reservation boundary.

So Anheuser-Busch and other brewers pour hundreds of thousands of gallons of alcohol into the liquor stores of Whiteclay, knowing that it ends up consumed illicitly by Pine Ridge residents and fuels alcoholism, crime and misery there. In short, a giant corporation’s business model here is based on violating tribal rules and destroying the Indians’ way of living.
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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2012, 06:27:19 AM »

I would like to know what the justification for racism against American Indians is. Bad teeth and diabetes? Alcoholism is a problem amongst indians. Yes, we need to take responsibility for that. But it is taking advantage of the situation when people set up bars and liquor stores right outside the boundary of a dry indian reservation.

Not to mention the casinos.

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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2012, 09:46:56 AM »

I would like to know what the justification for racism against American Indians is. Bad teeth and diabetes? Alcoholism is a problem amongst indians. Yes, we need to take responsibility for that. But it is taking advantage of the situation when people set up bars and liquor stores right outside the boundary of a dry indian reservation.

Not to mention the casinos.
What about the casinos? AFAIK, those are usually set up by the reservations themselves to operate inside the reservations as a way of making money for the reservations.
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