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« on: September 15, 2011, 07:03:29 PM »

Or just pray toward them? Because I got one and was venerating it...but when looking at it from a certain angle the "residue" was very visible. I thought it wasn't very sanitary.

Maybe I was venerating it too much. Maybe I'm kissing it incorrectly. Maybe you're supposed to clean it regularly. Maybe you're not actually supposed to venerate your icons, just the ones in Church.

So, what is the answer? Thanks in advance.  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 07:07:06 PM »

Or just pray toward them? Because I got one and was venerating it...but when looking at it from a certain angle the "residue" was very visible. I thought it wasn't very sanitary.

Maybe I was venerating it too much. Maybe I'm kissing it incorrectly. Maybe you're supposed to clean it regularly. Maybe you're not actually supposed to venerate your icons, just the ones in Church.

So, what is the answer? Thanks in advance.  Smiley

Why would you have icons at home, and NOT venerate them? Huh

Yes, of course, I kiss my icons at the end of my morning and evening prayers.

My icons are on the top of a low bookcase in my living room. When I dust the furniture, I take all my icons off the top of bookcase, wipe them with a microfiber cloth, wipe the top of the bookcase, and then replace everything.

Since you're a guy, one might inquire about your usual state of housekeeping? Wink Grin
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 07:09:22 PM »

The ones in church have a ton of residue on them, too! (Until the priest cleans it, I suppose) It's called lipstick.*

Just clean them if you can and continue venerating them. You can't go wrong with doing that.


*Women, I urge you to look into lip stains with a coat of clear lip balm on top. The icons will look nice and Father won't look like an adulterer with all of the lip prints on his hand.

I'm sure most of you have, but the women at my church sure haven't!  laugh
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 07:16:50 PM »

Or you could just not put stuff on your lips before church. Radical concept, I know.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2011, 07:18:41 PM »

Or you could just not put stuff on your lips before church. Radical concept, I know.
I know. But if they insist, there's a way to put on something subtle on that will not get on the icons. The markers do not come off!

(I go to a Greek church, what can I say? They're all dolled to the nines there. I feel schlumpy, and even I dress up a bit.)
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2011, 10:32:31 PM »

You just need to stop giving the Theotokos and Christ sloppy kisses.

Or do you happen to have an icon of St. Kassiani the beautiful monastic?   Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 12:18:48 AM »

Selam lekulekemu

NicholasMyra, after reading you mentioning an icon of st. kassiani the beautiful monastic, I was intrigued as to who she was, so I googled her, and I am so moved by her life and what she has come to mean for many women today I felt  like I need to thank you for mentioning her name. what a beautiful soul indeed! her hymn  that i found was moving beyond words.

'Sensing Thy divinity, O Lord, a woman of many sins takes it upon herself to become a myrrh-bearer, And in deep mourning brings before Thee fragrant oil in anticipation of Thy burial; crying: "Woe to me! For night is unto me, oestrus of lechery, a dark and moonless eros of sin. Receive the wellsprings of my tears, O Thou who gatherest the waters of the oceans into clouds. Bend to me, to the sorrows of my heart, O Thou who bendedst down the heavens in Thy ineffable self-emptying. I will kiss Thine immaculate feet and dry them with the locks of my hair; Those very feet whose sound Eve heard at dusk in Paradise and hid herself in fear. Who shall reckon the multitude of my sins, or the abysses of Thy judgment, O Saviour of my soul? Do not ignore Thy handmaiden, O Thou whose mercy is endless."
thank you  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 12:30:05 AM »

Selam lekulekemu

NicholasMyra, after reading you mentioning an icon of st. kassiani the beautiful monastic, I was intrigued as to who she was, so I googled her, and I am so moved by her life and what she has come to mean for many women today I felt  like I need to thank you for mentioning her name. what a beautiful soul indeed! her hymn  that i found was moving beyond words.

'Sensing Thy divinity, O Lord, a woman of many sins takes it upon herself to become a myrrh-bearer, And in deep mourning brings before Thee fragrant oil in anticipation of Thy burial; crying: "Woe to me! For night is unto me, oestrus of lechery, a dark and moonless eros of sin. Receive the wellsprings of my tears, O Thou who gatherest the waters of the oceans into clouds. Bend to me, to the sorrows of my heart, O Thou who bendedst down the heavens in Thy ineffable self-emptying. I will kiss Thine immaculate feet and dry them with the locks of my hair; Those very feet whose sound Eve heard at dusk in Paradise and hid herself in fear. Who shall reckon the multitude of my sins, or the abysses of Thy judgment, O Saviour of my soul? Do not ignore Thy handmaiden, O Thou whose mercy is endless."
thank you  Smiley
You're welcome! I'm quite glad that she was so moving to you. If you haven't encountered it already, here is an English recitation of her hymn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDz6zmwEqJQ
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 12:53:12 AM »

Thank you So Very Much! this is even more beautiful when its sung like this! A hymn of Such Love! Thank you again.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2011, 03:23:59 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2011, 07:31:59 AM »

St Kassiane was also a fearless and outspoken defender of icons, a friend of St Theodore the Studite, and the only woman whose hymns have become a permanent part of the liturgical cycle. Quite an achievement for a woman of her era, and an abbess at that, where a woman associated with music was regarded as little better than a prostitute.

She had quite a sharp tongue as well, as the future emperor Theophilus found out during the parade of prospective brides picked out for him (Kassiane "lost" to the quiet Theodora). I hate silence, when it is time to speak is a typical saying of hers.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2011, 07:44:05 AM »

She will hopefully be my patron saint! Smiley She's quite an inspiration.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2011, 07:48:18 AM »

She will hopefully be my patron saint! Smiley She's quite an inspiration.

She really was quite a lady. PM me if you'd like more information on her.  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2011, 07:51:55 AM »

Icon veneration is a part of worship of Orthodox Christians, per the 7th Ecumenical Synod, drawing us closer to the "prototype" of what of who is depicted. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2011, 06:15:33 PM »

You just need to stop giving the Theotokos and Christ sloppy kisses.
Either that or learn how to clean saliva off of icons properly.
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