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« on: September 10, 2011, 05:10:46 PM »

Glory to Jesus Christ,

 I thought this article might be of some interest. I have always wondered why the Patriarch of Constantinople was meddling and interfering in other churches affairs, instead of cooperating and rectifying the unity issues and jurisdictional mess that confronts worldwide Orthodoxy. The Orthodox Church has enough problems to confront, western secularism, materialism, other religious sects and their missions, the situations our brothers and sisters in the Middle East, Cyprus and Kosovo are confronting. The Church does not need to be involved in this political nonsense and must see that the West has used people and countries as puppets for their own motives, that have nothing to do with the Orthodox Church. This is a rather pathetic situation, especially when the Orthodox Churches in Eastern Europe, Russia , Ukraine. etc. have finally risen from the ashes. Our love and Faith in our Saviour Jesus Christ, cooperation amongst our brothers and sisters, instead of in house conflicts and tensions.

 The article is found here:
orthodoxengland.org.uk/wikileaks.htm

 Another article,titled,"Orthodox Christian ghettoization and anti-Serb clampdown in Kosovo", can be found on site: pravoslavie.ru/english

 This article is a prime example of the West's involvement and intervention, with very negative and tragic results.

 With Love and Faith in
 Jesus Christ,
 Vasily


 
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2011, 05:57:48 PM »

I cannot link your articles but I will say part of my hope and prayer for Orthodoxy to grow in America alongside a transformation of America itself; meddlings that are hurtful to Othodox peoples cease and that a potential greater amount of American Orthodox Christians could help other Orthodox peoples.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2011, 10:35:20 PM »

Glory to Jesus Christ,

 I thought this article might be of some interest. I have always wondered why the Patriarch of Constantinople was meddling and interfering in other churches affairs, instead of cooperating and rectifying the unity issues and jurisdictional mess that confronts worldwide Orthodoxy. The Orthodox Church has enough problems to confront, western secularism, materialism, other religious sects and their missions, the situations our brothers and sisters in the Middle East, Cyprus and Kosovo are confronting. The Church does not need to be involved in this political nonsense and must see that the West has used people and countries as puppets for their own motives, that have nothing to do with the Orthodox Church. This is a rather pathetic situation, especially when the Orthodox Churches in Eastern Europe, Russia , Ukraine. etc. have finally risen from the ashes. Our love and Faith in our Saviour Jesus Christ, cooperation amongst our brothers and sisters, instead of in house conflicts and tensions.

 The article is found here:
orthodoxengland.org.uk/wikileaks.htm

 Another article,titled,"Orthodox Christian ghettoization and anti-Serb clampdown in Kosovo", can be found on site: pravoslavie.ru/english

 This article is a prime example of the West's involvement and intervention, with very negative and tragic results.

 With Love and Faith in
 Jesus Christ,
 Vasily


 

Awaiting a working link.

In the meantime, the only jurisdictional meddling I found so far in wikileaks was by the ROC:

" 2. (u) Ignoring a warning from Bartholomew, Archbishop Christodoulos of Greece led the Greek Holy Synod in electing 3 new bishops on April 26.  As reported ref A, the dioceses in question are among the 36 "New Land" dioceses that belong to the Ecumenical Patriarchate but are "administered" by the Greek Orthodox Church under the authority of the 1928 Patriarchal and Synodical Act.  In response, an enlarged meeting of the Major Holy and Sacred Resident Synod, including 41 bishops from Turkey and throughout the Greek Orthodox diaspora (including Archbishop Demetrios of America), convened in Istanbul and voted unanimously on April 30 to break "communion" with Christodoulos, declare the elections invalid, and enjoin the "elected" bishops not to assume their provinces (otherwise communion would be broken with them as well).
 
3. (c) While the decision appears to be strictly canonical ("A Bishop should not venture to effect ordinations outside
of his bounds"), the severity of the measure has sparked controversy among the Greek Orthodox community.  Patriarchate officials justify the decision by citing a pattern of willful disobedience on the part of Christodoulos since he was elected in 1998. ...."

" Finally, it is worth noting that Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II, the Ecumenical Patriarch's most serious rival for authority within the Orthodox world, did not miss this opportunity to score points against Bartholomew by sending a public letter of support to Christodoulos."

Source: http://wikileaks.org/cable/2004/05/04ISTANBUL797.html

By the way, there are a lot of Orthodox=related cables that can be searched/accessed at:
http://www.cablegatesearch.net/search.php

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2011, 11:27:41 PM »

Glory to Jesus Christ,

 I thought this article might be of some interest. I have always wondered why the Patriarch of Constantinople was meddling and interfering in other churches affairs, instead of cooperating and rectifying the unity issues and jurisdictional mess that confronts worldwide Orthodoxy. The Orthodox Church has enough problems to confront, western secularism, materialism, other religious sects and their missions, the situations our brothers and sisters in the Middle East, Cyprus and Kosovo are confronting. The Church does not need to be involved in this political nonsense and must see that the West has used people and countries as puppets for their own motives, that have nothing to do with the Orthodox Church. This is a rather pathetic situation, especially when the Orthodox Churches in Eastern Europe, Russia , Ukraine. etc. have finally risen from the ashes. Our love and Faith in our Saviour Jesus Christ, cooperation amongst our brothers and sisters, instead of in house conflicts and tensions.

 The article is found here:
orthodoxengland.org.uk/wikileaks.htm

 Another article,titled,"Orthodox Christian ghettoization and anti-Serb clampdown in Kosovo", can be found on site: pravoslavie.ru/english

 This article is a prime example of the West's involvement and intervention, with very negative and tragic results.

 With Love and Faith in
 Jesus Christ,
 Vasily


 

Awaiting a working link.

In the meantime, the only jurisdictional meddling I found so far in wikileaks was by the ROC:

" 2. (u) Ignoring a warning from Bartholomew, Archbishop Christodoulos of Greece led the Greek Holy Synod in electing 3 new bishops on April 26.  As reported ref A, the dioceses in question are among the 36 "New Land" dioceses that belong to the Ecumenical Patriarchate but are "administered" by the Greek Orthodox Church under the authority of the 1928 Patriarchal and Synodical Act.  In response, an enlarged meeting of the Major Holy and Sacred Resident Synod, including 41 bishops from Turkey and throughout the Greek Orthodox diaspora (including Archbishop Demetrios of America), convened in Istanbul and voted unanimously on April 30 to break "communion" with Christodoulos, declare the elections invalid, and enjoin the "elected" bishops not to assume their provinces (otherwise communion would be broken with them as well).
 
3. (c) While the decision appears to be strictly canonical ("A Bishop should not venture to effect ordinations outside
of his bounds"), the severity of the measure has sparked controversy among the Greek Orthodox community.  Patriarchate officials justify the decision by citing a pattern of willful disobedience on the part of Christodoulos since he was elected in 1998. ...."

" Finally, it is worth noting that Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II, the Ecumenical Patriarch's most serious rival for authority within the Orthodox world, did not miss this opportunity to score points against Bartholomew by sending a public letter of support to Christodoulos."

Source: http://wikileaks.org/cable/2004/05/04ISTANBUL797.html

By the way, there are a lot of Orthodox=related cables that can be searched/accessed at:
http://www.cablegatesearch.net/search.php


most of the Phanar's meddling has been public record (Estonia, GB, France, etc.).
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2011, 09:39:56 AM »

Glory to Jesus Christ,

 I don't know why the links did not take. The files containing the actual articles are attached. Sorry.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2011, 09:41:40 AM »

The files are too large. Did not post. Just go to the appropriate websites. Sorry again.
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