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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2011, 12:15:18 AM »

Thank you all for your prayers. I'm feeling a lot better now. My parents brought me to the hospital and I'm now taking some medication for my depression and anxiety. For the first time in 6 years, I feel normal. Next week, I'm going to see my psychiatrist and talk about some things. I've also been talking to some great Orthodox brothers and sisters on Facebook, as well as a priest. The priest has given me a prayer rule and is setting me straight on many things.

I also haven't been smoking or viewing pornography at all since all this happened. For those who don't know (some of you do), those were my biggest addictions. Perhaps God willed to knock down the weak man that I was to bring up the stronger man I'm becoming.

Thank you all again. Lord have mercy
Glory to God, Tristan.

That said, I would encourage you not to take depression and anxiety medication. While they may seem helpful at first, the long term side effects are detrimental to your health (and sometimes deadly). The writings and lives of the saints (and consequently their prayers) will assist you in ways greater than any "psychiatrist" can.

Trust in God, we will keep you in our prayers.



There is nothing wrong with taking medication:

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Sirach 38

 1 Honour the physician for the need thou hast of him: for the most High hath created him.

 2 For all healing is from God, and he shall receive gifts of the king.

 3 The skill of the physician shall lift up his head, and in the sight of great men he shall be praised.

 4 The most High hath created medicines out of the earth, and a wise man will not abhor them.

 5 Was not bitter water made sweet with wood?

 6 The virtue of these things is come to the knowledge of men, and the meet High hath given knowledge to men, that he may be honoured in his wonders.

 7 By these he shall cure and shall allay their pains, and of these the apothecary shall make sweet confections, and shall make up ointments of health, and of his works there shall be no end.



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Sirach+38&version=DRA


Of course prayer and the writings of the saints will do you much good, but God also gave us doctors and the medical sciences.  Use them.
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« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2011, 12:15:36 AM »

I rejoice to hear that things are better! I will actually agree with both Heorhij and Ioannis: Do not reject the advice of your doctors and do not reject the medicine they prescribe. But please make sure that you consult with your Priest and receive his blessing to take these medications. Trust God to use these medications to help you, but do not rely solely on medicine to the exclusion of prayer and the cultivation of your spiritual life. If you keep these things in balance, I am sure you will benefit greatly.


Oh, and I just saw Salpy's post with which I wholeheartedly agree. A wonderful passage from Sirach that is very apropos here!


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« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2011, 12:19:34 AM »

Thank you all for your prayers. I'm feeling a lot better now. My parents brought me to the hospital and I'm now taking some medication for my depression and anxiety. For the first time in 6 years, I feel normal. Next week, I'm going to see my psychiatrist and talk about some things. I've also been talking to some great Orthodox brothers and sisters on Facebook, as well as a priest. The priest has given me a prayer rule and is setting me straight on many things.

I also haven't been smoking or viewing pornography at all since all this happened. For those who don't know (some of you do), those were my biggest addictions. Perhaps God willed to knock down the weak man that I was to bring up the stronger man I'm becoming.

Thank you all again. Lord have mercy

I am very happy to hear that, Tristan. Just keep working together with your doctors and with your priest. BOTH. Neither side should have an upper hand. Medicine and religious support do not, cannot, should not exclude or contradict each other.

Also, please believe that you can do it, even if, after a while, you again experience temptations. We rise, and we fall, and we rise again, and we fall again. That's our life. But we gradually, step by little step, learn to be wiser, as we get older, and we acquire, with God's help, some wisdom to resist temptations and to stay afloat.

You are in my unworthy prayers, man.




AMEN to everything Heorhij said here!


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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2011, 12:26:17 AM »

Thank you all for your prayers. I'm feeling a lot better now. My parents brought me to the hospital and I'm now taking some medication for my depression and anxiety. For the first time in 6 years, I feel normal. Next week, I'm going to see my psychiatrist and talk about some things. I've also been talking to some great Orthodox brothers and sisters on Facebook, as well as a priest. The priest has given me a prayer rule and is setting me straight on many things.

I also haven't been smoking or viewing pornography at all since all this happened. For those who don't know (some of you do), those were my biggest addictions. Perhaps God willed to knock down the weak man that I was to bring up the stronger man I'm becoming.

Thank you all again. Lord have mercy
Glory to God, Tristan.

That said, I would encourage you not to take depression and anxiety medication. While they may seem helpful at first, the long term side effects are detrimental to your health (and sometimes deadly). The writings and lives of the saints (and consequently their prayers) will assist you in ways greater than any "psychiatrist" can.

Trust in God, we will keep you in our prayers.



There is nothing wrong with taking medication:

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Sirach 38

 1 Honour the physician for the need thou hast of him: for the most High hath created him.

 2 For all healing is from God, and he shall receive gifts of the king.

 3 The skill of the physician shall lift up his head, and in the sight of great men he shall be praised.

 4 The most High hath created medicines out of the earth, and a wise man will not abhor them.

 5 Was not bitter water made sweet with wood?

 6 The virtue of these things is come to the knowledge of men, and the meet High hath given knowledge to men, that he may be honoured in his wonders.

 7 By these he shall cure and shall allay their pains, and of these the apothecary shall make sweet confections, and shall make up ointments of health, and of his works there shall be no end.



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Sirach+38&version=DRA


Of course prayer and the writings of the saints will do you much good, but God also gave us doctors and the medical sciences.  Use them.
And there is nothing wrong with medication. The problem lies in the type offered by many modern physicians. Consuming poisons (like lithium) can be devastating to the body (either short term or long term). If Tristan so desires, he should seek natural medicines, not pharmaceutical poison.

Either way, we should take this discussion elsewhere if you would like to continue it. I don't think discussion is encouraged in the Prayer Forum.
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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2011, 12:41:05 AM »

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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2011, 12:41:56 AM »

The thread is no longer in the prayer forum.
My apologies, I failed to take notice.
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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2011, 01:39:35 AM »

God be with you! I'm glad you are doing well and seeking the support of a physical and spiritual physician, both given by the Lord for the benefit of his precious children, which includes you! And ignore Ioannis Climacus, he has zeal not according to knowledge and offers you dangerous advice.  Again, I am thankful to God that you are in a better place.  Our Lord is the lover of mankind and He along with his pure Mother and Angelic Hosts rejoice over your return!
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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2011, 02:44:14 AM »

And ignore Ioannis Climacus, he has zeal not according to knowledge and offers you dangerous advice.
I do not claim great knowledge, but what little advice I give is beneficial.

Tristan, there are alternative methods to dealing with depression. I pray you will consider them :

http://www.naturalnews.com/028048_depression_remedies.html
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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2011, 03:05:01 AM »

Selam lekulekemu Smiley
To God be the Glory! I am very glad that you are feeling better and are following the advise of both your priest and your physician, knowing that in both it is God that is at work to heal and strengthen you. The orthodox church has great respect  for the profession of St. Luke the  beloved physician, and even st Paul in dealing with St. Timothy's ailment applied the then physician's remedy by taking from St.Luke's field and used it as necessary.1 Timothy 5:23 Paul prescribes wine for Timothy's illness. let us remembed one plants the other waters, it is God who makes things grow.
Take heed of what Heorhij has said about falling and getting up again, that is what we all do in this life. I remember my grandmother telling me and my friend the story of King David, as an instruction that we must study at school very hard, she always said  one of the reasons Uriah died is because he could not read lol that's another matter, but on her story of king David after she fineshed telling it, she asked us who the sinner in the story was. we answered King David of course, then she asked who is the saint then? still relling from what king David has done to Uriah but knowing of his repentance and Gods love for him enough to call him a man after my own heart, we grudgingly said yeah the Saint is also Kind David. she was happy and explained how this is one example of how merciful God is and how man falls knowingly or unknowingly and yet the important thing is that man repents sincerely and a true repentance is never rejected.

To My dear faithful brother Ioannes Climacus, I understand where you are coming from, however consider, someone is drowning, and prays for God to rescue him, and while still praying a man with a boat comes along and calls to the man drowning to come aboard by grabbing on to the rope he threw for him, yet the drowning man refuses and says no I am waiting for God to save me not man, and then another person on another boat comes, still the man refuses and says only God can save me as I am praying to Him, I have faith that He will come to my aide. so finally the man dies and goes to stand before the Heavenly Throne of God and quite surprised to find himself there he asks Why? why Lord didn't you come when I called for you? when I trusted in you? what do you think the Lord's answer will be?....'I came not once but trice , I brought that man with a small boat, I brought that other man with the big boat, and the fisher man too. yet each time you refused me. so here we are' the lesson of this story.. the Lord gives one of our brethren wisdom that will be for the benefit of our physical, mental emotional health, another brethren might get the wisdom of the Spirit to deal with matters of the Spiritual life.  however in all it is God that works in the life of Christians that trust in Him. and we must be humble enough and thankful enough to utilise the wisdom of the natural world as it is revealed to those that are experts in it, within reason of course. knowing it will not contradict with our faith in God to Provide for us at all times. so we must fervently pray then, that whatever remedy it is, be it wine or that little herb that we drink in our tea  actually work to fulfil the will of God in us for God can use all Matter to heal and transform us.I understand you know all this, and there are times we can be weary of some medications and their side effects, but when the affliction we have now far surpasses the one we might have as a result of the medication, I think all adult persons can make informed decisions about that. and all physicians are required to disclose all the known side effects of all the drugs they prescribe so that the individual can make an informed decision. So my brother these things require caution when we suggest somethings to some. forgive me if I misunderstood your point.

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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2011, 05:46:42 AM »

And ignore Ioannis Climacus, he has zeal not according to knowledge and offers you dangerous advice.
I do not claim great knowledge, but what little advice I give is beneficial.

Tristan, there are alternative methods to dealing with depression. I pray you will consider them :

http://www.naturalnews.com/028048_depression_remedies.html
You're offering medical advice that you are neither licensed nor qualified to give, and which directly contradicts what Tristan's doctors have been prescribing. Without any knowledge of Tristan's condition, what you are doing is potentially very dangerous. I strongly advise you, therefore, to keep silent on this matter and refrain from offering any more counsel to Tristan regarding what he should do. Again, we on the forum admin/moderator staff do not endorse what you are doing and cannot be held responsible for the consequences of following your advice.
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« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2011, 07:51:23 AM »

OK, I am not a licensed medical practitioner here in the USA, simply because I never took the American board exam. I came to this country in 1990 as a postdoctoral fellow (MD, Ph.D. in Medical Scences) invited by a laboratory engaged in basic research, and I honestly did my work of an experimenter for more than 10 years, followed by another 11.5 years of sharing my knowledge with young folks as a university teacher. So I guess I am at least somewhat qualified to give medical advice, although I always say that those who listen to me must listen to their own medical practitioner.

Ttistan's physician's responsibility is to establish the nature of his patient's depression. Based on the story T. told us on this forum, that can't be done, but physicians (including psychiatrists) have very well-polished skills to do that. It might be a "simple" or "unipolar" depression, where the key event in the pathogenesis is, usually, a lack of serotonin in spaces ("synapses") between neurons. Alternatively, it might be a "bipolar disorder," where the pathognesis is more complicated. In the first case, no lithium is necessary: unipolar depressions are usually treated by inhibitors of serotonin re-uptake. In the second case, lithium could be given, although it is not the only type of medication doctors now have at their disposal (others are "timoleptics" like Melleril or Depakote). Lithium salts are very powerful at controlling the mood in patients with bipolar disorder, but they, unfortunately, have some rather nasty side effects; if taken for a long time, they can make the patient gain weight and lose body fluid sodium. However, medical practitioners know it very well, and it's obvious that they will give Tristan the right medcation in the right dose and for the right amount of time.

Various "natural" medicines, of course, CAN help some patients, especially those who have conditions like hysteria, neurasthenia or psychasthenia (which may well mimic symptoms of unipolar or bipolar depression). However, we need to understand two things. First, clinical depression is something very different from these conditions, and it is hard to imagine that taking some herbal medicine will efficiently change the brain chemistry responsible for depressive disorders. If that were the case, such medications would be already patented and marketed by pharmaceutical companies. Second, drugs like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, lithium salts and other similar drugs prescribed by licensed physicians have passed the so-called "double blind clinical trials," where their effect was thoroughly evaluated in comparison with the effect of the so-called "placebo." Can we be sure that the same is true for the various "natural" drugs offered by random individuals (even if these individuals are physicians)? There is always a danger of merely anecdotal experience, rather than solid statistics, being the foundation of such offer.

This topic is very emotional one to me. In 1996, my father, then just 65 years old and not suffering from any serious somatic disease, suddenly committed suicide. Retrospectively, it became clear that he had a very severe depression (most likely unipolar). Because he posessed a wonderful, cheerful, outgoing, caring disposition, and because he did not want to bother others by his problems, he hid his condition as deeply as he could; yet, when he was already dead, I re-read some of his letters addressed to me and my wife, and saw that the man was indeed very ill. If he were given the adequate medical care back then, he mos definitely culd be stll alive today. Also, as I have already written, my now 27-y.o. daughter had an episode of depression in her late teens; luckily, in her case, the medication and the psychological counseling were given at the right time, and she was cured. I shudder when I think, just what would happen to her if someone advised her not to listen to "psychiatrists" in quotationmarks, and she heeded such an advice. Very likely, she would be dead soon.

  
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« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2011, 08:24:11 AM »

You're offering medical advice that you are neither licensed nor qualified to give,

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« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2011, 12:15:44 PM »

I would encourage you not to take depression and anxiety medication. While they may seem helpful at first, the long term side effects are detrimental to your health (and sometimes deadly). The writings and lives of the saints (and consequently their prayers) will assist you in ways greater than any "psychiatrist" can.

O my dear, dear God. Climacus, are you a specialist in medicine or psychology?

PLEASE do not interfere with what Tristan's physician tells him to do. PLEASE. Don't be a CRIMINAL.

And there is no need to put the word psychiatrist in quotation marks. If you insist, then I will say that you are an "Orthodox" "Christian."

Tristan, PLEASE listen to specialists and don't pay any mind to people who have no clue.

Don't worry, I'm sticking to the medication and therapy despite what other people would rather me do.  Smiley
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« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2011, 12:18:51 PM »

I would encourage you not to take depression and anxiety medication. While they may seem helpful at first, the long term side effects are detrimental to your health (and sometimes deadly). The writings and lives of the saints (and consequently their prayers) will assist you in ways greater than any "psychiatrist" can.

O my dear, dear God. Climacus, are you a specialist in medicine or psychology?

PLEASE do not interfere with what Tristan's physician tells him to do. PLEASE. Don't be a CRIMINAL.

And there is no need to put the word psychiatrist in quotation marks. If you insist, then I will say that you are an "Orthodox" "Christian."

Tristan, PLEASE listen to specialists and don't pay any mind to people who have no clue.

Don't worry, I'm sticking to the medication and therapy despite what other people would rather me do.  Smiley

An excellent idea! As you said earlier, it seems to be working for you, so don't try to fix what ain't broke.
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« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2011, 12:19:19 PM »

And ignore Ioannis Climacus, he has zeal not according to knowledge and offers you dangerous advice.
I do not claim great knowledge, but what little advice I give is beneficial.

Tristan, there are alternative methods to dealing with depression. I pray you will consider them :

http://www.naturalnews.com/028048_depression_remedies.html

You sound like a Christian Scientist. Should my dad stop taking his Leukemia medication so that he can seek "natural" remedies?
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I would encourage you not to take depression and anxiety medication. While they may seem helpful at first, the long term side effects are detrimental to your health (and sometimes deadly). The writings and lives of the saints (and consequently their prayers) will assist you in ways greater than any "psychiatrist" can.

O my dear, dear God. Climacus, are you a specialist in medicine or psychology?

PLEASE do not interfere with what Tristan's physician tells him to do. PLEASE. Don't be a CRIMINAL.

And there is no need to put the word psychiatrist in quotation marks. If you insist, then I will say that you are an "Orthodox" "Christian."

Tristan, PLEASE listen to specialists and don't pay any mind to people who have no clue.

Don't worry, I'm sticking to the medication and therapy despite what other people would rather me do.  Smiley

An excellent idea! As you said earlier, it seems to be working for you, so don't try to fix what ain't broke.

Amen, Father!  Kiss
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Amen!  Praise God! Smiley

I would encourage you not to take depression and anxiety medication. While they may seem helpful at first, the long term side effects are detrimental to your health (and sometimes deadly). The writings and lives of the saints (and consequently their prayers) will assist you in ways greater than any "psychiatrist" can.

O my dear, dear God. Climacus, are you a specialist in medicine or psychology?

PLEASE do not interfere with what Tristan's physician tells him to do. PLEASE. Don't be a CRIMINAL.

And there is no need to put the word psychiatrist in quotation marks. If you insist, then I will say that you are an "Orthodox" "Christian."

Tristan, PLEASE listen to specialists and don't pay any mind to people who have no clue.

Don't worry, I'm sticking to the medication and therapy despite what other people would rather me do.  Smiley

An excellent idea! As you said earlier, it seems to be working for you, so don't try to fix what ain't broke.

Amen, Father!  Kiss
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« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2011, 01:23:32 PM »

Thank you all for your prayers. I'm feeling a lot better now. My parents brought me to the hospital and I'm now taking some medication for my depression and anxiety. For the first time in 6 years, I feel normal. Next week, I'm going to see my psychiatrist and talk about some things. I've also been talking to some great Orthodox brothers and sisters on Facebook, as well as a priest. The priest has given me a prayer rule and is setting me straight on many things.

I also haven't been smoking or viewing pornography at all since all this happened. For those who don't know (some of you do), those were my biggest addictions. Perhaps God willed to knock down the weak man that I was to bring up the stronger man I'm becoming.

Thank you all again. Lord have mercy

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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2011, 05:42:54 PM »

Thank you all for your prayers. I'm feeling a lot better now. My parents brought me to the hospital and I'm now taking some medication for my depression and anxiety. For the first time in 6 years, I feel normal. Next week, I'm going to see my psychiatrist and talk about some things. I've also been talking to some great Orthodox brothers and sisters on Facebook, as well as a priest. The priest has given me a prayer rule and is setting me straight on many things.

I also haven't been smoking or viewing pornography at all since all this happened. For those who don't know (some of you do), those were my biggest addictions. Perhaps God willed to knock down the weak man that I was to bring up the stronger man I'm becoming.

Thank you all again. Lord have mercy

If you know of someone who has a copy of Matthew the Poor's "Communion of Love," ask to borrow it and read his chapter on Repentance. It was for sinners like us that Christ became incarnate. His strength is for the weak and helpless, His right arm for the fallen. Personally, I find this chapter so encouraging and you may too.

Just found it on Google Books. Thanks Smiley
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« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2011, 11:08:59 PM »

And ignore Ioannis Climacus, he has zeal not according to knowledge and offers you dangerous advice.
I do not claim great knowledge, but what little advice I give is beneficial.

Tristan, there are alternative methods to dealing with depression. I pray you will consider them :

http://www.naturalnews.com/028048_depression_remedies.html

You sound like a Christian Scientist. Should my dad stop taking his Leukemia medication so that he can seek "natural" remedies?
I couldn't tell you, as I know nothing about the Leukemia medication, nor do I possess any knowledge in this field. My gut instinct would be yes, but I would consult an expert (that is, a homeopathic doctor).

The reasons I offered my advice were twofold. One, pharmaceuticals are often detrimental to long term health, and two, there are numerous cases of people being driven to suicide while on anti-depressant drugs. I am not saying you would do such a thing, but the side effects of these drugs should at least raise some concern.

In any event, I am glad you are doing better  Smiley. I will keep you in my prayers.
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« Reply #65 on: September 26, 2011, 11:21:13 PM »

i went back to pot. smoked everyday from thursday-to monday. i was in jersey from thursday to sunday and my cuzins and i smoked a lot. wen i got back, i had work the next day. i ended up QUITTING MY JOB because i was still high from the smoking the few days before and didnt want to do any work...i also got drunk and high the night i quit. i puked 4 times (twice in my room). i wasted all my money on the drugs...now i am in debt (about 40 bucks in debt), i freaked out on my friend cuz he wouldnt get me high, my parents dont know any of this...i also have to pay a speeding ticket this week (i will barely have enough money to pay it, im getting my last paycheck thursday)
im so screwed

i need help...im only 18 and my life is screwed

what am i supposed to do? im so lost!

Wow, what advice can I possibly tell you.   Let me let you walk in my shoes for a day.

1) Wake up 6am
2) Shower under the solar water heated water that I built still warm from the day before
3) Get dressed as quickly as possible & hygene etc.
4) Call kids downstairs (all 5 of them)
5) Cut them some fresh home made wheat bread & honey - put on laundry & dishes
6) Take all the organic superfoods
7) Run upstairs to the office / classroom
Cool Fire up the main server while wife is eating with the kids
9) Call kids up and have them PXE boot into the server
10) Wife comes in and starts homeschooling them while I work.
11) Work till lunch.  Wife teaches the kids till lunch.
12) Run downstairs and make lunch ( a chef is an alter ego of mine).  This is lunch for 7 people.  Fresh everything including having to slice bread.
13) Eat lunch - then exchange dishes & laundry, have kids line dry clothes
14) Run back up stairs and start working till 3pm.  Kids come up and start doing school.
15) Run down at 3pm.  Start prepping dinner & heating the solar oven.  Get dinner & new bread cooking for next day.
16) Set table, give thanks, eat dinner, tell kids to do chores
17) Family time, reading, story telling, bible stories, bible trivia etc.
18) Get kids ready for bed. 
19) Get kids ready for bed some more (we are working on this LOL)
20) Final chores of the day.  Desserts, bedtime, final cleaning, maint...

Okay that's all just a rough outline.  I don't mention all the oddball stuff like keeping track of kids rooms & how clean they keep them, raising them in Christ, what size clothing did they need, son needs shoes again??, wife sewing dresses, lawn maint, car maint, house maint, paint, plumbing, keeping chickens....  Trust me I can go on.

My point to this - It hurts me to hear you do that.    Get stoned, drunk, puke, debt, quit.

I'm not perfect.  My life is crazy in many ways.  Heck I'm known a lot around here is somebody with "deep Orthodox faith issues".  Still though, my friend, STRAIGHTEN UP.

Girls your age are seeking men.  Real men.  Men who will be with them forever and who have it together.  You are 18 now.  Learn a good trade if you don't know what else to do.  A/C repair, furnace repair, truck driving, carpet cleaning, painting.  Learn, learn and keep LEARNING.   Marry a strong Christian woman who will let you lead her through life as Christ leads you.

Forget any more drugs.  Forget alcohol.  Honor the TEMPLE of the HOLY SPIRIT!  Eat superfoods (youtube them).  Become healthy.  Strive to keep yourself in good shape and disciplined Christ centered mind so that God will guide you to do his work forever.

Satan wants to drag  us all down to hell.  trust  me I know.  I was moshing at Pantera concerts at 18.  I was near people all the time smoking pot, drinking, and doing drugs. (never did them myself though).   But still my mind was twisted by the music and modernism of everything.

Change now.  Pray for change. Don't let any peer pressure affect you any more.  Remember each sin is striking Christ.  Remember that hurting your body is blaspheming your temple.

God Bless
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« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2011, 01:36:26 AM »

i went back to pot. smoked everyday from thursday-to monday. i was in jersey from thursday to sunday and my cuzins and i smoked a lot. wen i got back, i had work the next day. i ended up QUITTING MY JOB because i was still high from the smoking the few days before and didnt want to do any work...i also got drunk and high the night i quit. i puked 4 times (twice in my room). i wasted all my money on the drugs...now i am in debt (about 40 bucks in debt), i freaked out on my friend cuz he wouldnt get me high, my parents dont know any of this...i also have to pay a speeding ticket this week (i will barely have enough money to pay it, im getting my last paycheck thursday)
im so screwed

i need help...im only 18 and my life is screwed

what am i supposed to do? im so lost!

Wow, what advice can I possibly tell you.   Let me let you walk in my shoes for a day.

1) Wake up 6am
2) Shower under the solar water heated water that I built still warm from the day before
3) Get dressed as quickly as possible & hygene etc.
4) Call kids downstairs (all 5 of them)
5) Cut them some fresh home made wheat bread & honey - put on laundry & dishes
6) Take all the organic superfoods
7) Run upstairs to the office / classroom
Cool Fire up the main server while wife is eating with the kids
9) Call kids up and have them PXE boot into the server
10) Wife comes in and starts homeschooling them while I work.
11) Work till lunch.  Wife teaches the kids till lunch.
12) Run downstairs and make lunch ( a chef is an alter ego of mine).  This is lunch for 7 people.  Fresh everything including having to slice bread.
13) Eat lunch - then exchange dishes & laundry, have kids line dry clothes
14) Run back up stairs and start working till 3pm.  Kids come up and start doing school.
15) Run down at 3pm.  Start prepping dinner & heating the solar oven.  Get dinner & new bread cooking for next day.
16) Set table, give thanks, eat dinner, tell kids to do chores
17) Family time, reading, story telling, bible stories, bible trivia etc.
18) Get kids ready for bed. 
19) Get kids ready for bed some more (we are working on this LOL)
20) Final chores of the day.  Desserts, bedtime, final cleaning, maint...

Okay that's all just a rough outline.  I don't mention all the oddball stuff like keeping track of kids rooms & how clean they keep them, raising them in Christ, what size clothing did they need, son needs shoes again??, wife sewing dresses, lawn maint, car maint, house maint, paint, plumbing, keeping chickens....  Trust me I can go on.

My point to this - It hurts me to hear you do that.    Get stoned, drunk, puke, debt, quit.

I'm not perfect.  My life is crazy in many ways.  Heck I'm known a lot around here is somebody with "deep Orthodox faith issues".  Still though, my friend, STRAIGHTEN UP.

Girls your age are seeking men.  Real men.  Men who will be with them forever and who have it together.  You are 18 now.  Learn a good trade if you don't know what else to do.  A/C repair, furnace repair, truck driving, carpet cleaning, painting.  Learn, learn and keep LEARNING.   Marry a strong Christian woman who will let you lead her through life as Christ leads you.

Forget any more drugs.  Forget alcohol.  Honor the TEMPLE of the HOLY SPIRIT!  Eat superfoods (youtube them).  Become healthy.  Strive to keep yourself in good shape and disciplined Christ centered mind so that God will guide you to do his work forever.

Satan wants to drag  us all down to hell.  trust  me I know.  I was moshing at Pantera concerts at 18.  I was near people all the time smoking pot, drinking, and doing drugs. (never did them myself though).   But still my mind was twisted by the music and modernism of everything.

Change now.  Pray for change. Don't let any peer pressure affect you any more.  Remember each sin is striking Christ.  Remember that hurting your body is blaspheming your temple.

God Bless


I appreciate this advice, and I don't mean to criticize it. However, we have to understand that not everyone is able to do all the wonderful, difficult, and noble things that you are doing. I can tell that you are sacrificing a lot and working hard to lead your family in the best possible spiritual life. But many people struggle with psychological and physical issues that preclude them from following such a rigorous schedule. But I certainly agree that we should all strive to be as physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually healthy as posssible. I guess I just want to make sure that others don't feel they have to do what you're doing and exactly as you're doing it. And I know that's not what you said at all. Just want to be careful here.


Selam
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« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2011, 11:26:34 AM »

i went back to pot. smoked everyday from thursday-to monday. i was in jersey from thursday to sunday and my cuzins and i smoked a lot. wen i got back, i had work the next day. i ended up QUITTING MY JOB because i was still high from the smoking the few days before and didnt want to do any work...i also got drunk and high the night i quit. i puked 4 times (twice in my room). i wasted all my money on the drugs...now i am in debt (about 40 bucks in debt), i freaked out on my friend cuz he wouldnt get me high, my parents dont know any of this...i also have to pay a speeding ticket this week (i will barely have enough money to pay it, im getting my last paycheck thursday)
im so screwed

i need help...im only 18 and my life is screwed

what am i supposed to do? im so lost!

Wow, what advice can I possibly tell you.   Let me let you walk in my shoes for a day.

1) Wake up 6am
2) Shower under the solar water heated water that I built still warm from the day before
3) Get dressed as quickly as possible & hygene etc.
4) Call kids downstairs (all 5 of them)
5) Cut them some fresh home made wheat bread & honey - put on laundry & dishes
6) Take all the organic superfoods
7) Run upstairs to the office / classroom
Cool Fire up the main server while wife is eating with the kids
9) Call kids up and have them PXE boot into the server
10) Wife comes in and starts homeschooling them while I work.
11) Work till lunch.  Wife teaches the kids till lunch.
12) Run downstairs and make lunch ( a chef is an alter ego of mine).  This is lunch for 7 people.  Fresh everything including having to slice bread.
13) Eat lunch - then exchange dishes & laundry, have kids line dry clothes
14) Run back up stairs and start working till 3pm.  Kids come up and start doing school.
15) Run down at 3pm.  Start prepping dinner & heating the solar oven.  Get dinner & new bread cooking for next day.
16) Set table, give thanks, eat dinner, tell kids to do chores
17) Family time, reading, story telling, bible stories, bible trivia etc.
18) Get kids ready for bed. 
19) Get kids ready for bed some more (we are working on this LOL)
20) Final chores of the day.  Desserts, bedtime, final cleaning, maint...

Okay that's all just a rough outline.  I don't mention all the oddball stuff like keeping track of kids rooms & how clean they keep them, raising them in Christ, what size clothing did they need, son needs shoes again??, wife sewing dresses, lawn maint, car maint, house maint, paint, plumbing, keeping chickens....  Trust me I can go on.

My point to this - It hurts me to hear you do that.    Get stoned, drunk, puke, debt, quit.

I'm not perfect.  My life is crazy in many ways.  Heck I'm known a lot around here is somebody with "deep Orthodox faith issues".  Still though, my friend, STRAIGHTEN UP.

Girls your age are seeking men.  Real men.  Men who will be with them forever and who have it together.  You are 18 now.  Learn a good trade if you don't know what else to do.  A/C repair, furnace repair, truck driving, carpet cleaning, painting.  Learn, learn and keep LEARNING.   Marry a strong Christian woman who will let you lead her through life as Christ leads you.

Forget any more drugs.  Forget alcohol.  Honor the TEMPLE of the HOLY SPIRIT!  Eat superfoods (youtube them).  Become healthy.  Strive to keep yourself in good shape and disciplined Christ centered mind so that God will guide you to do his work forever.

Satan wants to drag  us all down to hell.  trust  me I know.  I was moshing at Pantera concerts at 18.  I was near people all the time smoking pot, drinking, and doing drugs. (never did them myself though).   But still my mind was twisted by the music and modernism of everything.

Change now.  Pray for change. Don't let any peer pressure affect you any more.  Remember each sin is striking Christ.  Remember that hurting your body is blaspheming your temple.

God Bless


I appreciate this advice, and I don't mean to criticize it. However, we have to understand that not everyone is able to do all the wonderful, difficult, and noble things that you are doing. I can tell that you are sacrificing a lot and working hard to lead your family in the best possible spiritual life. But many people struggle with psychological and physical issues that preclude them from following such a rigorous schedule. But I certainly agree that we should all strive to be as physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually healthy as posssible. I guess I just want to make sure that others don't feel they have to do what you're doing and exactly as you're doing it. And I know that's not what you said at all. Just want to be careful here.


Selam


I do understand this and of course I was not trying to sound boastful.

I just can't imagine smoking pot, drinking until throwing up etc.   Mainly I guess in a kind way I'm trying to encourage you to get BUSY doing SOMETHING.   First get right with God and humble yourself before him.  Then get busy doing some kind of trade.  Learn something & do something.   

There's an old saying "idle hands are the devil's playground".
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« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2011, 02:38:04 AM »

i went back to pot. smoked everyday from thursday-to monday. i was in jersey from thursday to sunday and my cuzins and i smoked a lot. wen i got back, i had work the next day. i ended up QUITTING MY JOB because i was still high from the smoking the few days before and didnt want to do any work...i also got drunk and high the night i quit. i puked 4 times (twice in my room). i wasted all my money on the drugs...now i am in debt (about 40 bucks in debt), i freaked out on my friend cuz he wouldnt get me high, my parents dont know any of this...i also have to pay a speeding ticket this week (i will barely have enough money to pay it, im getting my last paycheck thursday)
im so screwed

i need help...im only 18 and my life is screwed

what am i supposed to do? im so lost!

Wow, what advice can I possibly tell you.   Let me let you walk in my shoes for a day.

1) Wake up 6am
2) Shower under the solar water heated water that I built still warm from the day before
3) Get dressed as quickly as possible & hygene etc.
4) Call kids downstairs (all 5 of them)
5) Cut them some fresh home made wheat bread & honey - put on laundry & dishes
6) Take all the organic superfoods
7) Run upstairs to the office / classroom
Cool Fire up the main server while wife is eating with the kids
9) Call kids up and have them PXE boot into the server
10) Wife comes in and starts homeschooling them while I work.
11) Work till lunch.  Wife teaches the kids till lunch.
12) Run downstairs and make lunch ( a chef is an alter ego of mine).  This is lunch for 7 people.  Fresh everything including having to slice bread.
13) Eat lunch - then exchange dishes & laundry, have kids line dry clothes
14) Run back up stairs and start working till 3pm.  Kids come up and start doing school.
15) Run down at 3pm.  Start prepping dinner & heating the solar oven.  Get dinner & new bread cooking for next day.
16) Set table, give thanks, eat dinner, tell kids to do chores
17) Family time, reading, story telling, bible stories, bible trivia etc.
18) Get kids ready for bed. 
19) Get kids ready for bed some more (we are working on this LOL)
20) Final chores of the day.  Desserts, bedtime, final cleaning, maint...

Okay that's all just a rough outline.  I don't mention all the oddball stuff like keeping track of kids rooms & how clean they keep them, raising them in Christ, what size clothing did they need, son needs shoes again??, wife sewing dresses, lawn maint, car maint, house maint, paint, plumbing, keeping chickens....  Trust me I can go on.

My point to this - It hurts me to hear you do that.    Get stoned, drunk, puke, debt, quit.

I'm not perfect.  My life is crazy in many ways.  Heck I'm known a lot around here is somebody with "deep Orthodox faith issues".  Still though, my friend, STRAIGHTEN UP.

Girls your age are seeking men.  Real men.  Men who will be with them forever and who have it together.  You are 18 now.  Learn a good trade if you don't know what else to do.  A/C repair, furnace repair, truck driving, carpet cleaning, painting.  Learn, learn and keep LEARNING.   Marry a strong Christian woman who will let you lead her through life as Christ leads you.

Forget any more drugs.  Forget alcohol.  Honor the TEMPLE of the HOLY SPIRIT!  Eat superfoods (youtube them).  Become healthy.  Strive to keep yourself in good shape and disciplined Christ centered mind so that God will guide you to do his work forever.

Satan wants to drag  us all down to hell.  trust  me I know.  I was moshing at Pantera concerts at 18.  I was near people all the time smoking pot, drinking, and doing drugs. (never did them myself though).   But still my mind was twisted by the music and modernism of everything.

Change now.  Pray for change. Don't let any peer pressure affect you any more.  Remember each sin is striking Christ.  Remember that hurting your body is blaspheming your temple.

God Bless


I appreciate this advice, and I don't mean to criticize it. However, we have to understand that not everyone is able to do all the wonderful, difficult, and noble things that you are doing. I can tell that you are sacrificing a lot and working hard to lead your family in the best possible spiritual life. But many people struggle with psychological and physical issues that preclude them from following such a rigorous schedule. But I certainly agree that we should all strive to be as physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually healthy as posssible. I guess I just want to make sure that others don't feel they have to do what you're doing and exactly as you're doing it. And I know that's not what you said at all. Just want to be careful here.


Selam


I do understand this and of course I was not trying to sound boastful.

I just can't imagine smoking pot, drinking until throwing up etc.   Mainly I guess in a kind way I'm trying to encourage you to get BUSY doing SOMETHING.   First get right with God and humble yourself before him.  Then get busy doing some kind of trade.  Learn something & do something.   

There's an old saying "idle hands are the devil's playground".


You didn't sound boastful to me, and I certainly agree with your advice here. Pray, read, write, learn a musical instrument, learn a trade, find some good Christian fellowship, etc. Anything postive that will keep you from feeling the need to indulge in destructive behaviours and habits. Amen to that.


Selam
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