The Sacred Heart as I know it.

[J Michael]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

did they pray in unison, or side by side?

Btw, we don't have a supreme pontiff, so the EP sinning doesn't give us any existentialist crisis.

[J Michael]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

did they pray in unison, or side by side?

Btw, we don't have a supreme pontiff, so the EP sinning doesn't give us any existentialist crisis.

Fr. Aidan said it was a sin for Orthodox to pray together with those of another faith.  +Bartholomew (Orthodox) reportedly prayed together with Pope Benedict (Catholic).  If Orthodox and Catholics are not the same faith, did +Bartholomew sin? 

I don't know whether the prayed in unison or side by side or what.  Here's a further quote from the link: "After a few moments, the two began reciting the Lord's Prayer in Latin. When the prayer was finished, the pope turned to his guest -- as if to see if he was ready to leave -- and the patriarch began reciting the Hail Mary in Latin. The pope joined in.

When the prayer was finished, the two turned to their aides and together blessed them."

Draw your own conclusions. 

Whether +Bartholomew sins or not doesn't give you an existentialist crisis?  Phew....Glad to hear it  .  Nor does it give us one.

[Fr.Aidan]

Yes, if things occurred as described, it was a sin.

We all have our failings. Lord forgive us.

[J Michael]

Yes, if things occurred as described, it was a sin.

We all have our failings. Lord forgive us.

Amen.

And may we be able to forgive each other and ourselves.

(I won't suggest we pray together about that  )

[stanley123]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

[stanley123]

Yes, if things occurred as described, it was a sin.

Suppose then that he does not repent, would he still go straight to heaven, in spite of these sins? Or would he have to spend some time in Purgatory to purify his soul before entering heaven? Or does he go to hell?

[LBK]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

For the record, I was present at these RCC services as a passive observer. No participation in any way, and certainly no receiving of Communion. Though family members of the newly-confirmed were invited to receive a blessing without receiving Communion (those who were not receiving, be they RCC or not, were asked to cross their arms over their chests), I chose not to join the queue.

And, Stanley, you have yet to answer my question of the existence or otherwise of mixed marriages in your family.

[ignatius]

Boy, I haven't missed a thing in this place have I? 

[podkarpatska]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

I tire of extreme anti-ecumenical talk, especially when one bothers to fully understand and read what both sides write and publish, including the Moscow Patriarchate... "Clarification is in the eyes of the beholder", I suppose, how about these?

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (American secular choir sings at service....)

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (Pope presented with Icon, both hierarchs photographed venerating it together....)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/  (annual interfaith in London Orthodox Cathedral with Anglicans...!!!!)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/ (read the sermon...)

and of course, Russian Orthodox pilgrims meeting, praying and concelebrating Divine  Liturgy with the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople... http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/18/news49937/

[J Michael]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

I tire of extreme anti-ecumenical talk, especially when one bothers to fully understand and read what both sides write and publish, including the Moscow Patriarchate... "Clarification is in the eyes of the beholder", I suppose, how about these?

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (American secular choir sings at service....)

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (Pope presented with Icon, both hierarchs photographed venerating it together....)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/  (annual interfaith in London Orthodox Cathedral with Anglicans...!!!!)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/ (read the sermon...)

and of course, Russian Orthodox pilgrims meeting, praying and concelebrating Divine  Liturgy with the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople... http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/18/news49937/

Soooo many sinners!!!!!!     Well, at least according to Fr. Aidan according to the MP.

Did the MP *really* state that it was a "sin" for Orthodox to pray with non-Orthodox??  I'd love to see the statement.  And, if there is such a statement, what do other bishops/synods/Patriarchates have to say about it?

[elijahmaria]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

I tire of extreme anti-ecumenical talk, especially when one bothers to fully understand and read what both sides write and publish, including the Moscow Patriarchate... "Clarification is in the eyes of the beholder", I suppose, how about these?

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (American secular choir sings at service....)

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (Pope presented with Icon, both hierarchs photographed venerating it together....)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/  (annual interfaith in London Orthodox Cathedral with Anglicans...!!!!)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/ (read the sermon...)

and of course, Russian Orthodox pilgrims meeting, praying and concelebrating Divine  Liturgy with the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople... http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/18/news49937/

Soooo many sinners!!!!!!     Well, at least according to Fr. Aidan according to the MP.

Did the MP *really* state that it was a "sin" for Orthodox to pray with non-Orthodox??  I'd love to see the statement.  And, if there is such a statement, what do other bishops/synods/Patriarchates have to say about it?

Resumption of communion, when it comes, is going to be impossible for many to accept.

M.

[J Michael]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

I tire of extreme anti-ecumenical talk, especially when one bothers to fully understand and read what both sides write and publish, including the Moscow Patriarchate... "Clarification is in the eyes of the beholder", I suppose, how about these?

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (American secular choir sings at service....)

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (Pope presented with Icon, both hierarchs photographed venerating it together....)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/  (annual interfaith in London Orthodox Cathedral with Anglicans...!!!!)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/ (read the sermon...)

and of course, Russian Orthodox pilgrims meeting, praying and concelebrating Divine  Liturgy with the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople... http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/18/news49937/

Soooo many sinners!!!!!!     Well, at least according to Fr. Aidan according to the MP.

Did the MP *really* state that it was a "sin" for Orthodox to pray with non-Orthodox??  I'd love to see the statement.  And, if there is such a statement, what do other bishops/synods/Patriarchates have to say about it?

Resumption of communion, when it comes, is going to be impossible for many to accept.

M.

That really *is* sad.  I guess they will be the ones worse off for it.  I can't help but wonder, will they then "protest" and break communion--again?

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

did they pray in unison, or side by side?

Btw, we don't have a supreme pontiff, so the EP sinning doesn't give us any existentialist crisis.

Fr. Aidan said it was a sin for Orthodox to pray together with those of another faith.  +Bartholomew (Orthodox) reportedly prayed together with Pope Benedict (Catholic).  If Orthodox and Catholics are not the same faith, did +Bartholomew sin? 

I don't know whether the prayed in unison or side by side or what.  Here's a further quote from the link: "After a few moments, the two began reciting the Lord's Prayer in Latin. When the prayer was finished, the pope turned to his guest -- as if to see if he was ready to leave -- and the patriarch began reciting the Hail Mary in Latin. The pope joined in.

When the prayer was finished, the two turned to their aides and together blessed them."

Draw your own conclusions. 

Whether +Bartholomew sins or not doesn't give you an existentialist crisis?  Phew....Glad to hear it  .  Nor does it give us one.

you have a supreme pontiff for that. In fact, you have often had several at one time to give you an existentialist crisis.

When the EP vests and concelebrates with the Vatican, I'll worry about it.  If and when he communes with the Vatican, I will call for his deposition.  We dealt with this recently in Romania.  Otherwise, I'll leave EP Bartholomew's father confessor and the Holy Synod of Constantinople to worry about it.

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

I tire of extreme anti-ecumenical talk, especially when one bothers to fully understand and read what both sides write and publish, including the Moscow Patriarchate... "Clarification is in the eyes of the beholder", I suppose, how about these?

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (American secular choir sings at service....)

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (Pope presented with Icon, both hierarchs photographed venerating it together....)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/  (annual interfaith in London Orthodox Cathedral with Anglicans...!!!!)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/ (read the sermon...)

and of course, Russian Orthodox pilgrims meeting, praying and concelebrating Divine  Liturgy with the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople... http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/18/news49937/

Soooo many sinners!!!!!!     Well, at least according to Fr. Aidan according to the MP.

Did the MP *really* state that it was a "sin" for Orthodox to pray with non-Orthodox??  I'd love to see the statement.  And, if there is such a statement, what do other bishops/synods/Patriarchates have to say about it?

Resumption of communion, when it comes, is going to be impossible for many to accept.

Yes, I suspect the numbers of Sedevantissts will shoot up: since it will only come with the repentance of the Vatican, it won't be difficult for the Orthodox to accept at all, but those who cling to Ultramontanism will be at a loss how to explain the situation.

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

POPE-BARTHOLOMEW Mar-6-2008 (710 words) With photos. xxxi

Pope, Orthodox patriarch meet privately, pray together

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople spent almost half an hour speaking privately March 6 before going into a small Vatican chapel to pray together.

See the whole article:http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801277.htm

Did +Bartholomew sin?

I tire of extreme anti-ecumenical talk, especially when one bothers to fully understand and read what both sides write and publish, including the Moscow Patriarchate... "Clarification is in the eyes of the beholder", I suppose, how about these?

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (American secular choir sings at service....)

http://www.mospat.ru/en/2011/10/07/news49170/ (Pope presented with Icon, both hierarchs photographed venerating it together....)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/  (annual interfaith in London Orthodox Cathedral with Anglicans...!!!!)

http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/19/news50018/ (read the sermon...)

and of course, Russian Orthodox pilgrims meeting, praying and concelebrating Divine  Liturgy with the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople... http://www.mospat.ru/ru/2011/10/18/news49937/

Soooo many sinners!!!!!!     Well, at least according to Fr. Aidan according to the MP.

Did the MP *really* state that it was a "sin" for Orthodox to pray with non-Orthodox??  I'd love to see the statement.  And, if there is such a statement, what do other bishops/synods/Patriarchates have to say about it?

Resumption of communion, when it comes, is going to be impossible for many to accept.

M.

That really *is* sad.  I guess they will be the ones worse off for it.  I can't help but wonder, will they then "protest" and break communion--again?

aren't you along the border with the sedenvacantists? you would know better than the rest of us I suppose.

[dzheremi]

Why all the hue and cry over how sad it is that this theoretical situation would be hard for some to accept? There's plenty to deal with in the real world that is much more sad than your "what ifs" that are not even within the realm of possibility. The Roman Church does not control the Holy Spirit. There is no "when it happens" separate from very real and immediate cooperation of the recalcitrant. You don't get to have communion just because you want it or you think it would be nice or whatever.

I am saddened to see the Latin church capitalize on every little statement from or meeting with an Orthodox representative so as to give the Roman faithful false hope of reunion. Real hope is so much better, but requires an understanding and spirit of repentance that is apparently beyond the Roman Catholic Church and its Pope, even with his magical infallibility powers.

[elijahmaria]

Why all the hue and cry over how sad it is that this theoretical situation would be hard for some to accept? There's plenty to deal with in the real world that is much more sad than your "what ifs" that are not even within the realm of possibility. The Roman Church does not control the Holy Spirit. There is no "when it happens" separate from very real and immediate cooperation of the recalcitrant. You don't get to have communion just because you want it or you think it would be nice or whatever.

I am saddened to see the Latin church capitalize on every little statement from or meeting with an Orthodox representative so as to give the Roman faithful false hope of reunion. Real hope is so much better, but requires an understanding and spirit of repentance that is apparently beyond the Roman Catholic Church and its Pope, even with his magical infallibility powers.

 

I am taking my cue today, on the approaching resumption of communion, from a recent posting on the web-site of a very perspicacious Orthodox priest!!

 

[ialmisry]

Why all the hue and cry over how sad it is that this theoretical situation would be hard for some to accept? There's plenty to deal with in the real world that is much more sad than your "what ifs" that are not even within the realm of possibility. The Roman Church does not control the Holy Spirit. There is no "when it happens" separate from very real and immediate cooperation of the recalcitrant. You don't get to have communion just because you want it or you think it would be nice or whatever.

I am saddened to see the Latin church capitalize on every little statement from or meeting with an Orthodox representative so as to give the Roman faithful false hope of reunion. Real hope is so much better, but requires an understanding and spirit of repentance that is apparently beyond the Roman Catholic Church and its Pope, even with his magical infallibility powers.

 

I am taking my cue today, on the approaching resumption of communion, from a recent posting on the web-site of a very perspicacious Orthodox priest!!

 

who will remain nameless, in the anonymity of Oz.

[stanley123]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

[dzheremi]

"The approaching resumption of communion"...? You know something we don't, elijahmaria?

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

[ialmisry]

"The approaching resumption of communion"...? You know something we don't, elijahmaria?

LOL. No, just trying to convince herself, as usual.

[stanley123]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

It teaches not to fantasize about breaking the canons.

[stanley123]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

It teaches not to fantasize about breaking the canons.

If it is as you say, it would appear to be a fuzzy and wishy washy teaching and not a clear cut rule. Do you think it is all right to have your eternal salvation depend on such a fuzzy rule that no one knows exactly how to interpret ?

[Wyatt]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

[LBK]

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Plenty. Most of it can be found in our hymnography and iconography.

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Lots, but only on real life.  We leave the speculation to you all.

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

It teaches not to fantasize about breaking the canons.

If it is as you say, it would appear to be a fuzzy and wishy washy teaching and not a clear cut rule. Do you think it is all right to have your eternal salvation depend on such a fuzzy rule that no one knows exactly how to interpret ?

we already have plenty of threads on Pastor Aeternus and "ex cathedra."

[elijahmaria]

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Plenty. Most of it can be found in our hymnography and iconography.

I'll back you on this one LBK.

Let's not get too crazy here.

[elijahmaria]

Why all the hue and cry over how sad it is that this theoretical situation would be hard for some to accept? There's plenty to deal with in the real world that is much more sad than your "what ifs" that are not even within the realm of possibility. The Roman Church does not control the Holy Spirit. There is no "when it happens" separate from very real and immediate cooperation of the recalcitrant. You don't get to have communion just because you want it or you think it would be nice or whatever.

I am saddened to see the Latin church capitalize on every little statement from or meeting with an Orthodox representative so as to give the Roman faithful false hope of reunion. Real hope is so much better, but requires an understanding and spirit of repentance that is apparently beyond the Roman Catholic Church and its Pope, even with his magical infallibility powers.

 

I am taking my cue today, on the approaching resumption of communion, from a recent posting on the web-site of a very perspicacious Orthodox priest!!

 

who will remain nameless, in the anonymity of Oz.

You should take lessons from Met. Hilarion of the Russian Patriarchate. 

As I said you're not going to make the transition as you are now.

[LBK]

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Plenty. Most of it can be found in our hymnography and iconography.

I'll back you on this one LBK.

Wha-... Miracles will never cease. 

[elijahmaria]

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Plenty. Most of it can be found in our hymnography and iconography.

I'll back you on this one LBK.

Wha-... Miracles will never cease. 

 ...Well...I thought about what you said and IF I am going to insist that the seeds of the teaching concerning the immaculate Mother of God are contained in the texts from the feast of her Entry into the Temple, then I had BETTER agree with you...

OTOH...I'd have to agree in any event.

 

[Ortho_cat]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

conciliarity.

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Lots, but only on real life.  We leave the speculation to you all.

btw, Wyatt I was in your neck of the woods in Peoria yesterday.  Hello.

[Rufus]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Lots, but only on real life.  We leave the speculation to you all.

btw, Wyatt I was in your neck of the woods in Peoria yesterday.  Hello.

You could've had an ecumenical dialogue together.

[J Michael]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Lots, but only on real life.  We leave the speculation to you all.

btw, Wyatt I was in your neck of the woods in Peoria yesterday.  Hello.

You could've had an ecumenical dialogue together.

Or tea.  That probably would have been safer  . 

[elijahmaria]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Lots, but only on real life.  We leave the speculation to you all.

btw, Wyatt I was in your neck of the woods in Peoria yesterday.  Hello.

You could've had an ecumenical dialogue together.

Or tea.  That probably would have been safer  . 

DO NOT DO THAT  when I am drinking something!!!   

 

[ialmisry]

Yes, it is forbidden, in the Orthodox Church, to pray together with those of a different faith. The Moscow Patriarchate, by far the largest and most predominant Orthodox Church in the world, has clarified this recently and it is on the conscience of every Orthodox Christian whether Russian Orthodox or not.

But attending some event at a non-Orthodox church is not the same as the sin of praying with the non-Orthodox. I'm sure the fellow who attended his family member's chrismation did not actually say the prayers together with the Roman-Catholic people, or sing along on anything. If so, it was a sin. But doubtless he was simply showing respect for his family, not (God forbid!) seeking some kind of spiritual nourishment from the heretical church.

One can show love, without sacrificing the truth of Christ. Due to heresies having entered in, we cannot all participate in Sacraments together, but we can participate, without asking any blessing or waiting on anyone else, jump in and participate in the Sacrament of Love for one another.

Just because someone does something wrong, or picks up a wrong belief, is not a reason to cease loving him.

if an Orthodox said a prayer with a Catholic, would he go to hell for that? Or would he be able to be purified in Purgatory with other Catholics and then get to go to heaven?

since purgatory doesn't exist, no.

Well then if you said a prayer, say the Our Father, with a Catholic and did not have a chance to repent, would you go to heaven or hell?

I'll never find out.

So the Orthodox Church has no teaching on whether or not it is a serious issue to violate a canon of the Orthodox Church ?

What does the Eastern Orthodox Church have a universal teaching on?

Lots, but only on real life.  We leave the speculation to you all.

btw, Wyatt I was in your neck of the woods in Peoria yesterday.  Hello.

You could've had an ecumenical dialogue together.

Or tea.  That probably would have been safer  . 

DO NOT DO THAT  when I am drinking something!!!   

 

Something stronger?

[Fr.Aidan]

You were going through Peoria? Did you get to attendance any Western Rite services at St. John Maximovitch Church there?

[ialmisry]

You were going through Peoria? Did you get to attendance any Western Rite services at St. John Maximovitch Church there?

I was not aware that there was any WRO parish/mission in all of Illinois.

[elijahmaria]

DO NOT DO THAT  when I am drinking something!!!   

 

Something stronger?
[/quote]

  ...just tea...shooting out of my nose.

[Fr.Aidan]

The most complete online directory of canonical Western Rite parishes and monasteries is here:

http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Groups.html

The pastor there is a noted Orthodox author and has served in Orthodox churches for several decades.

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