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Offline William

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Judge of the Universe/Ecumene
« on: August 27, 2011, 10:23:36 PM »
Wikipedia says that the Coptic Patriarch of Alexandria has the following titles:

"The Pillar and Defender of the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Orthodox Faith
The Ecumenical (Universal) Judge (Arbitrator) of the Holy Apostolic and Catholic (Universal) Church
The Thirteenth among the Holy Apostles
Father of Fathers, Shepherd of Shepherds
Hierarch of all Hierarchs
Bishop (Archpriest) of Bishops (Archpriests)
The Thirteenth Apostle
Judge (Arbitrator) of the Universe (the Oecumene)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_of_Alexandria#Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria

Along with some others which are less elaborate.

1. Why is a clause about being a thirteenth apostle stated twice? Is that just an error on Wikipedia's part?
2. Are these titles intentionally hyperbolic or do they imply some sort of supremacy/primacy of the Alexandrian Patriarch?
3. Does the Greek Alexandrian Patriarch use these titles? If not, why?
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Re: Judge of the Universe/Ecumene
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2011, 11:41:11 PM »
Wikipedia says that the Coptic Patriarch of Alexandria has the following titles:

"The Pillar and Defender of the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Orthodox Faith
The Ecumenical (Universal) Judge (Arbitrator) of the Holy Apostolic and Catholic (Universal) Church
The Thirteenth among the Holy Apostles
Father of Fathers, Shepherd of Shepherds
Hierarch of all Hierarchs
Bishop (Archpriest) of Bishops (Archpriests)
The Thirteenth Apostle
Judge (Arbitrator) of the Universe (the Oecumene)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_of_Alexandria#Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria

Along with some others which are less elaborate.

1. Why is a clause about being a thirteenth apostle stated twice? Is that just an error on Wikipedia's part?
2. Are these titles intentionally hyperbolic or do they imply some sort of supremacy/primacy of the Alexandrian Patriarch?
3. Does the Greek Alexandrian Patriarch use these titles? If not, why?

Just Imperial hyperbolic titles, *exactly* like the ones attributed to the Roman bishop and which, once Greek was lost along with its style, were taken literally.
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Re: Judge of the Universe/Ecumene
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2011, 08:32:51 AM »
3. Does the Greek Alexandrian Patriarch use these titles? If not, why?

AFAIK yes.
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