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« on: November 27, 2012, 01:29:24 PM »

When OO and EO separate with each other? Is this schizm even earlier than East- west schizm in 1054?
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 01:33:11 PM »

When OO and EO separate with each other? Is this schizm even earlier than East- west schizm in 1054?

The general date is the Council of Chalcedon at AD 451. However, like the East-West schism, the whole thing was very fluid with whole patriarchates at times switching from one side to another.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 02:02:26 PM »

The definitive date of the schism might be 519 AD, with the end of the Henoticon.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 02:09:37 PM »

Between 519, end of the Henotikon and 541, the consecration of Jacob Bardaeus.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2012, 02:10:49 PM »

That's mean it is the earliest schizm in the church history!! Roll Eyes

At that time, was this a separation between Oriental Orthodoxy and Parish of Constantine?

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 02:18:34 PM »

That's mean it is the earliest schizm in the church history!! Roll Eyes

At that time, was this a separation between Oriental Orthodoxy and Parish of Constantine?


Well, in 428 (or 429) the Persian-Assyrian Church schismed from the Imperial Church, so that's even earlier. Then we have the schism of the Ebionites which dates to the 2nd century.

The seperation between the OO has not always been between the Oriental Patriarchates (Antioch and especially Alexandria on the one side) and Constantinople on the other side. Constantinople switched back and forth between the OO and the Chalcedonians. The only Patriarchate which was consistently Chalcedonian was Rome.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 03:00:30 PM »

That's mean it is the earliest schizm in the church history!! Roll Eyes

At that time, was this a separation between Oriental Orthodoxy and Parish of Constantine?


Well, in 428 (or 429) the Persian-Assyrian Church schismed from the Imperial Church, so that's even earlier. Then we have the schism of the Ebionites which dates to the 2nd century.

The seperation between the OO has not always been between the Oriental Patriarchates (Antioch and especially Alexandria on the one side) and Constantinople on the other side. Constantinople switched back and forth between the OO and the Chalcedonians. The only Patriarchate which was consistently Chalcedonian was Rome.

Ack!  Chalcedonians are Papists!!!  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 05:49:28 PM »

That's mean it is the earliest schizm in the church history!! Roll Eyes

At that time, was this a separation between Oriental Orthodoxy and Parish of Constantine?


Well, in 428 (or 429) the Persian-Assyrian Church schismed from the Imperial Church, so that's even earlier. Then we have the schism of the Ebionites which dates to the 2nd century.

The seperation between the OO has not always been between the Oriental Patriarchates (Antioch and especially Alexandria on the one side) and Constantinople on the other side. Constantinople switched back and forth between the OO and the Chalcedonians. The only Patriarchate which was consistently Chalcedonian was Rome.
I would count the Persians (present day Assyrian Church of the East), but where are the Ebionites today?
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