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There are new developments in the ongoing story of how New York City officials are rushing to build the Ground Zero mosquestrosity while throwing roadblocks in the way of rebuilding St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, which stood at the base of the World Trade Center towers until it was destroyed by Muslim terrorists on Sept. 11, 2001.  City officials have been dragging their feet and ignoring entreaties from supporters of the church.  Now at last, church members have some small bit of hope...
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2011, 10:47:20 AM »
What a horrible article! 

"Mosquestrosity"?  "Islamic supremacist grifters"?  The only thing this church and the Park 51 project have in common is that they both happen to be in Lower Manhattan.  The Port Authority is not overseeing the Park 51 project, and the city has nothing to do with the stonewalling against the church.

Also, the Port Authority could probably sue that news website for libel for claiming that they are trying to fabricate evidence.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 12:30:54 PM »
What a horrible article! 

"Mosquestrosity"?  "Islamic supremacist grifters"?  The only thing this church and the Park 51 project have in common is that they both happen to be in Lower Manhattan.  The Port Authority is not overseeing the Park 51 project, and the city has nothing to do with the stonewalling against the church.

Also, the Port Authority could probably sue that news website for libel for claiming that they are trying to fabricate evidence.

That's true, but government is not an immaculate chain of command, where everyone just follows orders in their own little vacua. Especially in the higher levels of local government. There are ways to get these things done, and while the guy stamping permits may not be stonewalling one or fast-tracking the other, the powers that be can get things done if they want them done.

But you're right, they probably could sue for libel because they have plausible deniability and these allegations cannot be proven. Doesn't mean things aren't happening behind closed doors. It happens in the smallest rural towns and townships, and it happens in the biggest cities on earth.

That said, back on topic, I pray this ray of hope brightens and expands! The whole situation is a disgrace.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2011, 12:45:26 PM »
What a horrible article!

You may criticize Pamela Geller for many things, but not for not doing her homework. Infelicitous as her expression of the idea might be, it is based on hard research. She has tons of links from a wide variety of sources in support of her argument. These sources, which are out in the open and readily available to all journalists, have been conspicuously ignored.

It is sad that journalists no longer cover stories that disagree with their politics. It does us all a great disservice.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2011, 03:56:20 PM »
What a delightful, articulate and well thought-out article!



  
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2011, 10:15:57 PM »
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We are going to stand against this outrageous insult at Ground Zero on the 10th anniversary of the attacks that killed 3,000 Americans and destroyed St. Nicholas Church.  Book your travel arrangements now and be at our 911 Freedom Rally.  Stand with us for freedom and human rights, against the Islamic supremacist Ground Zero mosque, and for the rebuilding of St. Nicholas Church.  It’s a simple matter of justice.

Oh, the irony. A church is good, mosque is bad, but it is the Muslims who are "supremacist"? LOL.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 02:34:53 PM »
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We are going to stand against this outrageous insult at Ground Zero on the 10th anniversary of the attacks that killed 3,000 Americans and destroyed St. Nicholas Church.  Book your travel arrangements now and be at our 911 Freedom Rally.  Stand with us for freedom and human rights, against the Islamic supremacist Ground Zero mosque, and for the rebuilding of St. Nicholas Church.  It’s a simple matter of justice.

Oh, the irony. A church is good, mosque is bad, but it is the Muslims who are "supremacist"? LOL.
The church existed before the terror attacks. It should be restored.

Muslims build monuments where they've defeated their enemies (often on the foundations of a former church). Why should anyone in this nation support them in doing it here?

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2011, 02:58:49 PM »
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We are going to stand against this outrageous insult at Ground Zero on the 10th anniversary of the attacks that killed 3,000 Americans and destroyed St. Nicholas Church.  Book your travel arrangements now and be at our 911 Freedom Rally.  Stand with us for freedom and human rights, against the Islamic supremacist Ground Zero mosque, and for the rebuilding of St. Nicholas Church.  It’s a simple matter of justice.

Oh, the irony. A church is good, mosque is bad, but it is the Muslims who are "supremacist"? LOL.
The church existed before the terror attacks. It should be restored.

Muslims build monuments where they've defeated their enemies (often on the foundations of a former church). Why should anyone in this nation support them in doing it here?

Because,

1. They aren't doing it on the foundations of a former church.
2. Because they are doing it blocks away, not at ground zero.
3. Its none of your, nor my, nor anyone else's business what they want to build. This is the USA, if they bought the Ground Zero lot themselves and decided to build the biggest mosque in the city on it, it would be perfectly legal for them to do so.

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2011, 08:11:30 PM »
Perhaps if you read Iranian Muslim, Amir Taheri's opinion, you might reconsider your own.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2011, 08:13:35 PM »
Perhaps if you read Iranian Muslim, Amir Taheri's opinion, you might reconsider your own.

My opinion, his opinion and your opinion aren't really relevant. That is my point. They have the right to build a mosque in Manhattan no matter how angry it makes you or anyone else.

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2011, 08:25:11 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2011, 08:27:19 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Nobody said that, it just strikes me as amusing when some segments of the population whine about how the secular USA is oppressing Christianity, and then rally to try and restrict the rights of Muslims.

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2011, 09:01:04 PM »
It is very insensitive.  Sort of like how people fly Confederate flags down here in the deep South, even though it causes emotional pain to people whose ancestors suffered cruelly under slavery.  Sure, free speech but that doesn't mean others can't discuss the implications of the message.

Is there a building fund where we can donate to the rebuilding of the Greek Orthodox Church that was destroyed? 

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2011, 09:41:49 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Nobody said that, it just strikes me as amusing when some segments of the population whine about how the secular USA is oppressing Christianity, and then rally to try and restrict the rights of Muslims.

I agree - that inconsistency drives me crazy.  Who was that guy who said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?  Gandhi?  Martin Luther King?  Chuck Norris?  This is going to take a while.   ???
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2011, 09:58:57 PM »
It is very insensitive.  Sort of like how people fly Confederate flags down here in the deep South, even though it causes emotional pain to people whose ancestors suffered cruelly under slavery.  Sure, free speech but that doesn't mean others can't discuss the implications of the message.

Is there a building fund where we can donate to the rebuilding of the Greek Orthodox Church that was destroyed?  

Building a mosque that includes a community center blocks away is insensitive? People need to grow thicker skin, then. I don't think it is appropriate to expect Muslim New Yorkers to stop existing because of something extremists did nearly a decade ago.


They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Nobody said that, it just strikes me as amusing when some segments of the population whine about how the secular USA is oppressing Christianity, and then rally to try and restrict the rights of Muslims.

I agree - that inconsistency drives me crazy.  Who was that guy who said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?  Gandhi?  Martin Luther King?  Chuck Norris?  This is going to take a while.   ???

Lol, I know, right?  ;D
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2011, 10:27:16 PM »
It all depends on what pair of glasses you're wearing.

As a secularist in support of the US's freedoms: The Islamic community has a right to build a mosque. One could argue bad taste, perhaps, but they cannot be denied building because of their faith. We shouldn't infringe on anyone's faith, because we all have equal protection under the law.

As a Christian: Not only is it possibly in bad taste and reek of political double standard, but I don't really care if I'm infringed upon their religion. As a Christian, my faith is the Truth of word and faith in God. Anything else, including Islam, is a fallacy created by men. Therefore, they're faith shouldn't be allowed to spread, both for our benefit and for their own, hopefully.

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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2011, 03:24:36 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2011, 03:27:15 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2011, 06:33:01 AM »
Does anyone know where to contribute to rebuilding the Greek Orthodox Church and to help them with their legal fees to overcome the obstacles they are facing?


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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2011, 07:23:02 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!!  



"These people".  "Saudi terror money".  Did you get these ideas from someone at church, or did you come up with them on your own?
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2011, 08:49:22 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 

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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2011, 11:22:39 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!!  



"These people".  "Saudi terror money".  Did you get these ideas from someone at church, or did you come up with them on your own?

Go back to sleep......
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2011, 12:29:39 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!!  



"These people".  "Saudi terror money".  Did you get these ideas from someone at church, or did you come up with them on your own?

Go back to sleep......

It was quite silly. Honestly, what kind of response were you expecting?

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2011, 12:58:50 AM »
I sometimes feel that Muslims are our unlikely (and probably temporary) allies in our current spiritual battles in the West.
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2011, 03:32:27 AM »
I sometimes feel that Muslims are our unlikely (and probably temporary) allies in our current spiritual battles in the West.

I wouldn't even go as far as that. History shows how terrible Islamic domination can be.

Those who in the name of "freedom of religion etc", support Islam and give it the red carpet to spread its false and dangerous beliefs in western countries, are only shooting themselves in the foot. This is one religion that is too dangerous and poses too much threat to be given free reign and encouragement.   
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2011, 03:35:48 AM »
I sometimes feel that Muslims are our unlikely (and probably temporary) allies in our current spiritual battles in the West.

I wouldn't even go as far as that. History shows how terrible Islamic domination can be.

Those who in the name of "freedom of religion etc", support Islam and give it the red carpet to spread its false and dangerous beliefs in western countries, are only shooting themselves in the foot. This is one religion that is too dangerous and poses too much threat to be given free reign and encouragement.   

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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2011, 01:35:29 PM »

Building a community center that contains a dedicated area for prayer blocks away is insensitive? People need to grow thicker skin, then. I don't think it is appropriate to expect Muslim New Yorkers to stop existing because of something extremists did nearly a decade ago.

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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2011, 01:38:13 PM »

Building a community center that contains a dedicated area for prayer blocks away is insensitive? People need to grow thicker skin, then. I don't think it is appropriate to expect Muslim New Yorkers to stop existing because of something extremists did nearly a decade ago.

Fixed.

Ah, thank you. I just didn't want to confuse everyone here by pointing out that detail since it really shouldn't make a difference.

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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2011, 02:00:40 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!!  



"These people".  "Saudi terror money".  Did you get these ideas from someone at church, or did you come up with them on your own?

Go back to sleep......

It was quite silly. Honestly, what kind of response were you expecting?
Facts are stubborn things: the Saudi government does manage a Fund whose stated purpose is the promotion of Islam in countries where Islam is not the established religion (Turkey even qualified under that definiton, as it is officially secular), and yes, the Fund has been linked to aiding various jihad groups.

For countries where Islam is the state creed, the Saudis have other "educational" endowments, which of course teach its Wahhabi militant fundamentalist form of Islam (btw, Qatar has the same as its state creed, with very different results): a while back there was a major controversy over textbooks supplied to Yemen, which denounced Shi'ism (Yemen is historically, and about half, Shi'ite, mostly Zaidi) as infidelity.
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2011, 02:02:00 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.
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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2011, 02:02:25 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!!  



"These people".  "Saudi terror money".  Did you get these ideas from someone at church, or did you come up with them on your own?

Go back to sleep......

It was quite silly. Honestly, what kind of response were you expecting?
Facts are stubborn things: the Saudi government does manage a Fund whose stated purpose is the promotion of Islam in countries where Islam is not the established religion (Turkey even qualified under that definiton, as it is officially secular), and yes, the Fund has been linked to aiding various jihad groups.

For countries where Islam is the state creed, the Saudis have other "educational" endowments, which of course teach its Wahhabi militant fundamentalist form of Islam (btw, Qatar has the same as its state creed, with very different results): a while back there was a major controversy over textbooks supplied to Yemen, which denounced Shi'ism (Yemen is historically, and about half, Shi'ite, mostly Zaidi) as infidelity.

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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2011, 02:05:56 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2011, 02:11:19 PM »
That there is 'profil'n'... and 'profil'n' is wrooonngg.  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2011, 10:46:31 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2011, 05:56:58 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2011, 09:21:02 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)

Perfectly legal ways include opposing any municipal zoning variances the mosques might need to build. I've heard multiple cases of this tactic at least really delaying construction.


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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2011, 11:34:01 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)

Perfectly legal ways include opposing any municipal zoning variances the mosques might need to build. I've heard multiple cases of this tactic at least really delaying construction.



This tactic is also a nasty and unethical means to an unprofitable end. 

Forcing Muslims to fight tooth and nail to be able to build a place of worship is not a way to foster a spirit of peace and brotherhood.  It is, on the other hand, a great way to alienate Muslims from everyone else, and help extremist Muslims recruit new adherents.
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2011, 12:02:06 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)

Perfectly legal ways include opposing any municipal zoning variances the mosques might need to build. I've heard multiple cases of this tactic at least really delaying construction.



Just like the persecution and oppression of the Copts in Egypt is also legal. I don't even know why you suggest it, it is clearly unethical.

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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2011, 03:23:21 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)

Perfectly legal ways include opposing any municipal zoning variances the mosques might need to build. I've heard multiple cases of this tactic at least really delaying construction.



This tactic is also a nasty and unethical means to an unprofitable end. 

Forcing Muslims to fight tooth and nail to be able to build a place of worship is not a way to foster a spirit of peace and brotherhood.  It is, on the other hand, a great way to alienate Muslims from everyone else, and help extremist Muslims recruit new adherents.

Your post is the kind of liberal rubbish that is leading to the Islamisation of western countries. Muslims will never live with non-Muslims in the spirit of peace and brotherhood. Every Islamic majority country is the proof (even so called secular countries like Turkey). Limiting Islamic migration and making it as difficult as possible for them to build terrorist cells (mosques are big part of this network), is the only way forward.

You're as thick as a brick.
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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2011, 03:28:10 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

Non-US citizens (Saudis, Chinese, whoever) should not be legally allowed to buy real estate in the US.
Same should apply to Canada, Australia, NZ, Britain.

Do you support the sell out of your country to foreigners? Sounds like it.

A whole range of national interest issues arise from selling out to foreign forces including food and water security. Sell your prime agricultural land to foreigners and you are then at their mercy.
I. Metaxas - 4th of August Regime

"Country, Loyalty, Family and Religion".

Nationalism, Monarchy, Family and Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2011, 03:55:10 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)

Perfectly legal ways include opposing any municipal zoning variances the mosques might need to build. I've heard multiple cases of this tactic at least really delaying construction.



This tactic is also a nasty and unethical means to an unprofitable end. 

Forcing Muslims to fight tooth and nail to be able to build a place of worship is not a way to foster a spirit of peace and brotherhood.  It is, on the other hand, a great way to alienate Muslims from everyone else, and help extremist Muslims recruit new adherents.

Your post is the kind of liberal rubbish that is leading to the Islamisation of western countries. Muslims will never live with non-Muslims in the spirit of peace and brotherhood. Every Islamic majority country is the proof (even so called secular countries like Turkey). Limiting Islamic migration and making it as difficult as possible for them to build terrorist cells (mosques are big part of this network), is the only way forward.

You're as thick as a brick.

Well, if you can't make a valid point, I suppose name-calling is better than nothing for some people.  ::)

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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2011, 03:57:17 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

Non-US citizens (Saudis, Chinese, whoever) should not be legally allowed to buy real estate in the US.
Same should apply to Canada, Australia, NZ, Britain.

Do you support the sell out of your country to foreigners? Sounds like it.

A whole range of national interest issues arise from selling out to foreign forces including food and water security. Sell your prime agricultural land to foreigners and you are then at their mercy.

That's cute. You're right, all those people who immigrate are probably trying to destroy you.  ::)

Spare me the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, I don't take them seriously.

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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2011, 06:24:13 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

Non-US citizens (Saudis, Chinese, whoever) should not be legally allowed to buy real estate in the US.
Same should apply to Canada, Australia, NZ, Britain.

Do you support the sell out of your country to foreigners? Sounds like it.

A whole range of national interest issues arise from selling out to foreign forces including food and water security. Sell your prime agricultural land to foreigners and you are then at their mercy.

That's cute. You're right, all those people who immigrate are probably trying to destroy you.  ::)

Spare me the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, I don't take them seriously.

Keep studying, because at the moment you have absolutely no idea about or awareness of the issues i am talking about.
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"Country, Loyalty, Family and Religion".

Nationalism, Monarchy, Family and Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2011, 01:41:39 PM »
In my area even large evangelical congregations have had difficulties getting the zoning variances they need for expansion on current sites or at a new location, over concerns that seem largely to do with the congestion additional traffic would cause.

Years ago when I was a member of a suburban Episcopalian congregation that needed to expand, the neighbors fought tooth and nail against the expansion (not a large one) being approved. I was present at the zoning committee meetings. I'm surprised someone didn't pull out a gun. It was extremely contenious. The arguments against it had to do with too many people from outside the town (someone went down the street/through parking lot checking on the city stickers in the windows and counting how many were from what towns), issues from losing some green space and storm water runoff.

But the argument that had everyone rabid and foaming at the mouth was some guy getting up and yelling that a kid was going to be killed from someone driving down the street (it was a very busy residential street even on days when there were no church services - aka on weekdays). NO kid had been killed, but the guy was transferring his issues with traffic on weekdays to the church.

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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2011, 02:48:33 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

Non-US citizens (Saudis, Chinese, whoever) should not be legally allowed to buy real estate in the US.
Same should apply to Canada, Australia, NZ, Britain.

Do you support the sell out of your country to foreigners? Sounds like it.

A whole range of national interest issues arise from selling out to foreign forces including food and water security. Sell your prime agricultural land to foreigners and you are then at their mercy.

That's cute. You're right, all those people who immigrate are probably trying to destroy you.  ::)

Spare me the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, I don't take them seriously.

Keep studying, because at the moment you have absolutely no idea about or awareness of the issues i am talking about.

I hate to say this, but the onus is on you to prove this bizarre conspiracy theory of yours, not me.

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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2011, 03:10:40 PM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)

Perfectly legal ways include opposing any municipal zoning variances the mosques might need to build. I've heard multiple cases of this tactic at least really delaying construction.



This tactic is also a nasty and unethical means to an unprofitable end. 

Forcing Muslims to fight tooth and nail to be able to build a place of worship is not a way to foster a spirit of peace and brotherhood.  It is, on the other hand, a great way to alienate Muslims from everyone else, and help extremist Muslims recruit new adherents.

Your post is the kind of liberal rubbish that is leading to the Islamisation of western countries. Muslims will never live with non-Muslims in the spirit of peace and brotherhood. Every Islamic majority country is the proof (even so called secular countries like Turkey). Limiting Islamic migration and making it as difficult as possible for them to build terrorist cells (mosques are big part of this network), is the only way forward.

You're as thick as a brick.

I take this as a compliment.
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2011, 03:15:37 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

Non-US citizens (Saudis, Chinese, whoever) should not be legally allowed to buy real estate in the US.
Same should apply to Canada, Australia, NZ, Britain.

Do you support the sell out of your country to foreigners? Sounds like it.

A whole range of national interest issues arise from selling out to foreign forces including food and water security. Sell your prime agricultural land to foreigners and you are then at their mercy.

That's cute. You're right, all those people who immigrate are probably trying to destroy you.  ::)

Spare me the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, I don't take them seriously.

Keep studying, because at the moment you have absolutely no idea about or awareness of the issues i am talking about.

I hate to say this, but the onus is on you to prove this bizarre conspiracy theory of yours, not me.

Sorry mate, unlike you, i work and work hard to earn a living for my family and my time is limited. I can spend maybe 10-15 minutes on this forum and don't have the time to educate you on what is happening. Try searching for food security/selling off of national assets, you will find many reputable websites.

Or ask Father Anastasios, he may want to enlighten you on the matter if he has the time or the inclination.
I. Metaxas - 4th of August Regime

"Country, Loyalty, Family and Religion".

Nationalism, Monarchy, Family and Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2011, 11:40:35 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!! 



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

Non-US citizens (Saudis, Chinese, whoever) should not be legally allowed to buy real estate in the US.
Same should apply to Canada, Australia, NZ, Britain.

Do you support the sell out of your country to foreigners? Sounds like it.

A whole range of national interest issues arise from selling out to foreign forces including food and water security. Sell your prime agricultural land to foreigners and you are then at their mercy.

That's cute. You're right, all those people who immigrate are probably trying to destroy you.  ::)

Spare me the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, I don't take them seriously.

Keep studying, because at the moment you have absolutely no idea about or awareness of the issues i am talking about.

I hate to say this, but the onus is on you to prove this bizarre conspiracy theory of yours, not me.

Sorry mate, unlike you, i work and work hard to earn a living for my family and my time is limited. I can spend maybe 10-15 minutes on this forum and don't have the time to educate you on what is happening. Try searching for food security/selling off of national assets, you will find many reputable websites.

Or ask Father Anastasios, he may want to enlighten you on the matter if he has the time or the inclination.

If you don't have the time to prove your claims, don't waste my time with such obvious rubbish. No one here is inclined to research your conspiracy theories for you, when burden of proof is on you.




As the one making a positive claim, you, like the plaintiff, are responsible for making your case. If you can't, or pompously declare you are too busy to bother doing so, we will all just enjoy a chuckle at your theory's expense and ignore it.

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« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2011, 02:57:29 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!!  



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

Non-US citizens (Saudis, Chinese, whoever) should not be legally allowed to buy real estate in the US.
Same should apply to Canada, Australia, NZ, Britain.

Do you support the sell out of your country to foreigners? Sounds like it.

A whole range of national interest issues arise from selling out to foreign forces including food and water security. Sell your prime agricultural land to foreigners and you are then at their mercy.

That's cute. You're right, all those people who immigrate are probably trying to destroy you.  ::)

Spare me the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, I don't take them seriously.

Keep studying, because at the moment you have absolutely no idea about or awareness of the issues i am talking about.

I hate to say this, but the onus is on you to prove this bizarre conspiracy theory of yours, not me.

Sorry mate, unlike you, i work and work hard to earn a living for my family and my time is limited. I can spend maybe 10-15 minutes on this forum and don't have the time to educate you on what is happening. Try searching for food security/selling off of national assets, you will find many reputable websites.

Or ask Father Anastasios, he may want to enlighten you on the matter if he has the time or the inclination.

If you don't have the time to prove your claims, don't waste my time with such obvious rubbish. No one here is inclined to research your conspiracy theories for you, when burden of proof is on you.




As the one making a positive claim, you, like the plaintiff, are responsible for making your case. If you can't, or pompously declare you are too busy to bother doing so, we will all just enjoy a chuckle at your theory's expense and ignore it.

Take your juvenile "internet warrior" attitude and go jump. My time is too important to waste on your idiocy. That's my final comment on this thread.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2011, 03:00:59 AM by Byron »
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« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2011, 03:57:47 AM »

They may have the right, but, we don't have to "support" their efforts.

Actually we have a duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to build new mosques anywhere they like with no doubt Saudi terror money and backing.

Anytime these people start buying up multi-million dollar plots of land there should be questions and investigations as to were their funding comes from. If it comes from Saudi or any other place like that, funds and other assets should be immediately frozen and appropriated by federal authorities.

SAY NO to Saudi bankrolling of global Islamisation!!!  



Everything you have just suggested is illegal.  ::)
No, it is not.

Systematically targeting Muslims by launching an investigation every time a Muslim purchases a plot of land over a million dollars, and confiscating that money if it originated in Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is legal?

Just to clarify, if a Saudi prince, moves to the United States and buys a million dollar property, you think his funds should be confiscated?

No different to people or groups buying up property with proceeds from crime, money laundering etc. Or people buying up property with no visible, declarable income. They should be investigated.

Actually, Saudis having money and spending it on real estate is different from all that. It is actually legal.
 
Not to mention i totally disagree with non-residents/non-citizens being able to purchase property.


Which would make immigration, not to mention moving between jurisdictions, difficult or impossible.

Non-US citizens (Saudis, Chinese, whoever) should not be legally allowed to buy real estate in the US.
Same should apply to Canada, Australia, NZ, Britain.

Do you support the sell out of your country to foreigners? Sounds like it.

A whole range of national interest issues arise from selling out to foreign forces including food and water security. Sell your prime agricultural land to foreigners and you are then at their mercy.

That's cute. You're right, all those people who immigrate are probably trying to destroy you.  ::)

Spare me the tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, I don't take them seriously.

Keep studying, because at the moment you have absolutely no idea about or awareness of the issues i am talking about.

I hate to say this, but the onus is on you to prove this bizarre conspiracy theory of yours, not me.

Sorry mate, unlike you, i work and work hard to earn a living for my family and my time is limited. I can spend maybe 10-15 minutes on this forum and don't have the time to educate you on what is happening. Try searching for food security/selling off of national assets, you will find many reputable websites.

Or ask Father Anastasios, he may want to enlighten you on the matter if he has the time or the inclination.

If you don't have the time to prove your claims, don't waste my time with such obvious rubbish. No one here is inclined to research your conspiracy theories for you, when burden of proof is on you.




As the one making a positive claim, you, like the plaintiff, are responsible for making your case. If you can't, or pompously declare you are too busy to bother doing so, we will all just enjoy a chuckle at your theory's expense and ignore it.

Take your juvenile "internet warrior" attitude and go jump. My time is too important to waste on your idiocy. That's my final comment on this thread.


Good idea, hopefully you will grow up enough to realize that when you make claims, it isn't unreasonable to be expected to back it up. Since this fact of life is hardly limited to the internet, I hope your epiphany will come before you get in trouble at work or in the courts for making wild and bizarre claims while thinking you don't have to justify your words. Ta-ta!  :-*
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Re: A Ray of Hope for St. Nicholas Church at Ground Zero: Join the Cause!
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"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers." Turkish Prime Minister Tayip Erdogon

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Re: A Ray of Hope for St. Nicholas Church at Ground Zero: Join the Cause!
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2011, 11:35:00 PM »
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers." Turkish Prime Minister Tayip Erdogon

Right, and this draws a sharp contrast to Orthodox theology, which is utterly devoid of military imagery.   ::)
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