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Lord Have Mercy!!  + CNN's Video: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2011/08/15/exp.ac.tuchman.punishment.cnnArticle: http://morallowground.com/2011/08/16/kevin-elizabeth-schatz-christian-fundamentalists-spanked-7-year-old-daughter-to-death-because-god-wanted-them-to/A California couple is behind bars after pleading guilty to torturing and murdering their seven-year-old adopted daughter.
According to CNN, Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz of Paradise, California beat seven-year-old Lydia Schatz to death because they believe “God” wanted them to. The couple beat Lydia for seven consecutive hours, with breaks for prayer, on the day she died. When police arrived at the Schatz residence, Lydia was still alive. An officer administered CPR, but it was too late.
“We have heard the phrase ‘death by a thousand lashes,” Butte County District Attorney Mike Ramsey told CNN. “That’s basically what this was.”
Lydia was beaten with, among other things, a 15″ plumbing supply tube, called a “biblical rod” by the Schatzes. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2011, 09:13:42 PM » |
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I am going to say it. These types of people are not Christians as we, as Orthodox faithful, define that term. I am sick and tired of people co-opting the Lord's name and the Bible to their own brain addled interpretations to justify whatever kind of conduct. They are either unchurched or heretics from our point of view and we, including our clergy and bishops, need to call a spade a spade and constantly work to distance us from such perfidy. The media is all to quick to lump all believers into the same boat and we need to constantly show that is simply not true. Do you ever see a headline: "Atheists beat child to death, claim genetics made them do it."
We can go on and on about the papacy, purgatory, the IC and whatever to what end? While we fiddle people like these parents are out there doing the work of the devil and blaspheming the Lord's name in the process.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2011, 09:18:52 PM » |
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Memory eternal  . More grist for the "spanking equals child abuse" crowd too, I guess... |
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2011, 09:33:14 PM » |
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One of the biggest misconceptions that most folks have is that corporal punishment of children is 'per se' indicative of child abuse. In my state, New York, and in most states, parents have the right to utilize corporal punishment in raising children. The kicker, so to speak, is that corporal punishment must not be 'excessive' - a standard which is surely subjective. However, a rule of thumb is: leave no marks, do not use an 'implement' to punish the child and know when to stop. The cases with court intervention that were not clear cut (like the nuts in the article) over my thirty year career usually involved at least two of the three situations I indicated. Granted there are many right out of college children services case workers with 'zero tolerance' for corporal punishment but the judges usually push those types into the real world after they lose several removal cases and embarrass their supervisors or the DSS Commissioner. Of course, when you guess wrong and the punishment results in serious injury, then the same people hang you out to dry. That's life......
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2011, 10:17:48 PM » |
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While there is a fine line between spanking and child abuse, the line between spanking and torture is as thick as they get. Anyone who can be described as torturing their children to death cannot claim to be just disciplining their children, and the bible certainly does not suggest the torture of children is a good or possitive thing.
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 10:23:14 PM » |
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While there is a fine line between spanking and child abuse, the line between spanking and torture is as thick as they get. Anyone who can be described as torturing their children to death cannot claim to be just disciplining their children, and the bible certainly does not suggest the torture of children is a good or possitive thing.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2011, 10:43:18 PM » |
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One of the biggest misconceptions that most folks have is that corporal punishment of children is 'per se' indicative of child abuse. In my state, New York, and in most states, parents have the right to utilize corporal punishment in raising children. The kicker, so to speak, is that corporal punishment must not be 'excessive' - a standard which is surely subjective. However, a rule of thumb is: leave no marks, do not use an 'implement' to punish the child and know when to stop. The cases with court intervention that were not clear cut (like the nuts in the article) over my thirty year career usually involved at least two of the three situations I indicated. Granted there are many right out of college children services case workers with 'zero tolerance' for corporal punishment but the judges usually push those types into the real world after they lose several removal cases and embarrass their supervisors or the DSS Commissioner. Of course, when you guess wrong and the punishment results in serious injury, then the same people hang you out to dry. That's life......
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2011, 11:58:02 AM » |
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Sadly, there are these nut-jobs a a dime a dozen down here in the South...not to THIS extreme, but if they did it, I wouldnt be very shocked that they did it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2011, 12:00:00 PM » |
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These animals are not Christians and should not be portrayed as such.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2011, 12:22:22 PM » |
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Not Christians at all. Lord have mercy on Lydia.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2011, 05:11:48 PM » |
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Their probably Rick Perry supporters :-  You are placed on worning for seven days for getting off topic. You may PM Father George if you disagree. Second Chance |
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2011, 05:20:40 PM » |
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Their probably Rick Perry supporters  oh snap |
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Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2011, 06:04:33 PM » |
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2011, 06:28:28 PM » |
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Their probably Rick Perry supporters :-
What did their probably Rick Perry supporters :- do? You are placed on warning for seven days for getting off topic. Please contact Father George via PM if you disagree. Second Chance |
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2011, 07:16:17 PM » |
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Let's put God on trial.
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2011, 07:22:49 PM » |
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Their probably Rick Perry supporters and followers of the Pearls brand of child-rearing. Lord have mercy. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2011, 07:26:03 PM » |
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Their probably Rick Perry supporters and followers of the Pearls brand of child-rearing. Lord have mercy. I was only guessing... but it seems I was right: The couple was apparently heavily influenced by a Christian child-rearing book titled To Train Up a Child by Michael and Debi Pearl of Tennessee-based No Greater Joy Ministries. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2011, 07:56:19 PM » |
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Their probably Rick Perry supporters Totally uncalled for. BTW, you meant "they're" not "their." One is a contraction, the other is a possessive. Please make a note of it. Back to the OP, such people are not Christians, regardless of what they may actually "believe." Lord, have mercy. |
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2011, 08:00:08 PM » |
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Their probably Rick Perry supporters Is there a possibility of my ever talking you into returning to Orthodoxy? |
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2011, 09:19:57 PM » |
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^Always room in the Orthodox Church for more sinners who wish to become saints. That's why I'm a member...although always starting from the beginning.  |
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2011, 09:22:08 PM » |
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^Always room in the Orthodox Church for more sinners who wish to become saints. That's why I'm a member...although always starting from the beginning. ...I was jest pokin' at his politics...somebody else caught his grammar...  PS: It is very difficult for me to deal with the real issue on the table in this thread. I want to go screaming out into the darkness... |
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2011, 09:32:36 PM » |
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I want to go screaming out into the darkness...
Interestingly, when you are not posting, this is exactly what I imagine you doing with most of your free time. //:=) |
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2011, 10:06:43 PM » |
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+Memory Eternal. +Lord, have mercy.
Any ideology is deadly. When people make Christianity into ideology (and that's exactly what these so-called "fundamentalists" are doing), they turn into murderous monsters.
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2011, 11:06:15 AM » |
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I want to go screaming out into the darkness...
Interestingly, when you are not posting, this is exactly what I imagine you doing with most of your free time. //:=) Oh my...  . I live in a place with lots of light. |
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