Do I think that eating tofu occasionally=banging estrogen? No, so to some extent, yes I'm being hyperbolic. But There's a very clearly established connection between eating a lot of soy and estrogen levels, especially as often as many Americans eat soy, whether for "health" reasons, or because it's added to everything processed.
Now, I don't think there is any "clearly established connection". In fact, I know there is not. And no way to find out. There really isn't. It is just guessing: meta-analysis and correlation, the same arguments the people you support use to tear down the "studies" on the dangers of meat.
But I wouldn't disagree with the likelihood once you frame the topic within the diet of someone stuffing themselves with soy, corn, sugar, etc. all the time.
I believe (it is a belief) that is not a good diet. But one which will still allow you to procreate and probably live a relatively long life.
So as I say, culture trumps science and dietary anthropology.
In a minimalist sense, we agree, but I wouldn't say we are certainly correct.
The typical American
diet "lifestyle" sucks chronic healthwise. But it ain't because of gluten nor soy or at least they are the smallest of our problems.
Stress. That is the beginning and end of it all. Your style of eating can be helpful in mitigating or arresting certain chronic hormonal issues and some folks deal with stress better eating high fat diets. But that is still a band-aid.
But the solution the American health problem lies much deeper. And neither you nor I are going even be able to change it in own lives. Unless you are independently wealthy, a Saint, or can leave this place.
IOW, go back to Russia with love, seriously. I might split in a while as well.
Even Western Europe has a lot more things right than we do, much less EE. After getting adjusted somewhat to not being here, coming back felt like a smack in the face in terms of chronic low level stress.
That is what is problem in the end.
Oh well, this has gone on too long.
Clearly established insofar as things like this can be trusted, and I say "clearly established" because there are proponents to these ideas from many different schools of nutrition, many of which are often otherwise at odds with one another.
I agree with you that a lot of this stuff cannot be dug up with much certainty, that culture plays a major role in all of this, and that eating real food in the right way, with the right approach is first and foremost, but I also, through various sources of influence, be they my nutritionist in NY, or Mark Sisson, or Robb Wolf, or an alternative doctor I see for spine issues who wants everyone to be a vegan, have been able to weed out and identify things that affect me in different ways, to decide which studies and which approaches hold more water with me (i.e., do they make sense, and are there ulterior motives/lobbies behind them?), and things that, when added or eliminated, enhance my life, and very possibly the lives of others.
My point, as it relates to this discussion, is that in the society that we live in, where doing anything like eating well
can be very difficult (I'm spoiled, because we can afford to do certain things, but mostly because my father runs an organic vegetable farm very near to us, and we live in an area that is a major mecca for responsible farming, etc., that is also a very calm, happy place to be. This is in stark contrast to the other half of the time in StPB), eating some things that might seem somewhat indulgent for fasting is not a very big deal. Many of those who fast constantly, living in monasteries, live in very (externally) stress-free, idyllic settings, and are very accustomed to a very simple, fresh diet that they cultivate themselves. A lot of folks don;t have these luxuries, and as such, using some coconut milk, almond butter, excessive avocados, or fake meat and veggie burgers can't be called sinful, or skirting the system. It's merely obeying the fasts, which is much more than many baptized orthodox do.