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Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:40:48 AM »
A Russian Orthodox cathedral is due to be built in Paris, France. However, the mayor of the city has called the design less than worthy to be near the Eiffel Tower.

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Delanoë said the project, a gleaming white church with five golden domes topped by a glass roof linking it to a spiritual and cultural center, is "mediocre architecture conceived in haste."

The project, whose design was chosen in an international architectural competition, was approved in 2010 by Presidents Nicolas Sarkozy of France and Dmitry Medvedev of Russia.

(Please note: the mayor's last name is "Delanoë," not "DelanoC" as in the article.)

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 08:02:41 AM »
He may have a point. The church would look 100x better if they scrapped that bizarre glass roof design. So while I support construction regardless of design, a traditional Russian-style church would look great on the skyline.

Just my .02
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 09:26:20 AM »
Seriously? Back in the day people thought the Eiffel tower would ruin the skyline.
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 09:57:14 AM »
Seriously? Back in the day people thought the Eiffel tower would ruin the skyline.

And it did.

It is obscene.
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 03:09:59 PM »
Seriously? Back in the day people thought the Eiffel tower would ruin the skyline.

And it did.

It is obscene.
Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one that hated that monstrosity. I swear that thing looks like a giant had pick up stiks and glues them together one day.

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 04:21:19 PM »
He may have a point. The church would look 100x better if they scrapped that bizarre glass roof design. So while I support construction regardless of design, a traditional Russian-style church would look great on the skyline.

Just my .02

How do you know what it's going to look like?  There was no picture included in the article....at least I didn't see one.
I'm curious to see it.
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 04:30:42 PM »
would the mayor prefer it be a mosque?

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 04:57:58 PM »
Seriously? Back in the day people thought the Eiffel tower would ruin the skyline.

And it did.

It is obscene.
Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one that hated that monstrosity. I swear that thing looks like a giant had pick up stiks and glues them together one day.

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 05:45:27 PM »
Seriously? Back in the day people thought the Eiffel tower would ruin the skyline.

And it did.

It is obscene.
Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one that hated that monstrosity. I swear that thing looks like a giant had pick up stiks and glues them together one day.

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 05:58:50 PM »
He may have a point. The church would look 100x better if they scrapped that bizarre glass roof design. So while I support construction regardless of design, a traditional Russian-style church would look great on the skyline.

Just my .02

How do you know what it's going to look like?  There was no picture included in the article....at least I didn't see one.
I'm curious to see it.
This is the envisioned product :







http://rt.com/art-and-culture/news/church-eiffel-tower-orthodox-385/

It will be such a beautiful building if they decide not to use the incredibly bizarre glass roof (which, in my opinion, looks like someone dropped a piece of fabric on the church).
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 06:08:03 PM »
The proposed church grounds look very nice, but the roof kinda makes it look like a parking garage with crosses from a distance so I can see the concern about the skyline. With that said, I don't think the city's interest in a nice skyline should be compelling enough to restrict any construction activity on private property, so based on property rights alone I'd have to side with the Church.
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2012, 06:24:20 PM »
I think it would have looked prettier without the big glass roof....however, I can see how that can come in handy during processions!   ;D
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2012, 06:25:55 PM »
Seriously? Back in the day people thought the Eiffel tower would ruin the skyline.

And it did.

It is obscene.
Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one that hated that monstrosity. I swear that thing looks like a giant had pick up stiks and glues them together one day.

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Amen and amen! Time for me to break out one of my favorite Gandhi quotations:

"I must say a word about the Eiffel Tower. I do not know what purpose it serves today. I remember that Tolstoy was the chief among those who disparaged it. He said that the Eiffel Tower was a monument of man's folly, not of his wisdom. Tobacco, he argued, was the worst of all intoxicants, inasmuch as a man addicted to it was tempted to commit crimes which a drunkard never dared to do; liquor made a man mad, but tobacco clouded his intellect and made him build castles in the air. The Eiffel Tower was one of the creations of a man under such influence. There is no art about the Eiffel Tower. In no way can it be said to have contributed to the real beauty of the Exhibition. Men flocked to see it and ascended it as it was a novelty and of unique dimensions. It was the toy of the Exhibition. So long as we are children we are attracted by toys, and the Tower was a good demonstration of the fact that we are all children attracted by trinkets. That may be claimed to be the purpose served by the Eiffel Tower."


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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012, 06:57:01 PM »
I think it looks OK. They can even grow there own basil to use with the agiasma in that green house. LOL
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2012, 07:28:25 PM »
Seriously? Back in the day people thought the Eiffel tower would ruin the skyline.

And it did.

It is obscene.
Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one that hated that monstrosity. I swear that thing looks like a giant had pick up stiks and glues them together one day.

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Amen and amen! Time for me to break out one of my favorite Gandhi quotations:

"I must say a word about the Eiffel Tower. I do not know what purpose it serves today. I remember that Tolstoy was the chief among those who disparaged it. He said that the Eiffel Tower was a monument of man's folly, not of his wisdom. Tobacco, he argued, was the worst of all intoxicants, inasmuch as a man addicted to it was tempted to commit crimes which a drunkard never dared to do; liquor made a man mad, but tobacco clouded his intellect and made him build castles in the air. The Eiffel Tower was one of the creations of a man under such influence. There is no art about the Eiffel Tower. In no way can it be said to have contributed to the real beauty of the Exhibition. Men flocked to see it and ascended it as it was a novelty and of unique dimensions. It was the toy of the Exhibition. So long as we are children we are attracted by toys, and the Tower was a good demonstration of the fact that we are all children attracted by trinkets. That may be claimed to be the purpose served by the Eiffel Tower."


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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2012, 09:14:12 PM »
It's beautiful, except for that damned glass roof. It's hideous!

I hope they alter the design.
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2012, 10:48:38 PM »
Seriously? Back in the day people thought the Eiffel tower would ruin the skyline.

And it did.

It is obscene.
Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one that hated that monstrosity. I swear that thing looks like a giant had pick up stiks and glues them together one day.

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Amen and amen! Time for me to break out one of my favorite Gandhi quotations:

"I must say a word about the Eiffel Tower. I do not know what purpose it serves today. I remember that Tolstoy was the chief among those who disparaged it. He said that the Eiffel Tower was a monument of man's folly, not of his wisdom. Tobacco, he argued, was the worst of all intoxicants, inasmuch as a man addicted to it was tempted to commit crimes which a drunkard never dared to do; liquor made a man mad, but tobacco clouded his intellect and made him build castles in the air. The Eiffel Tower was one of the creations of a man under such influence. There is no art about the Eiffel Tower. In no way can it be said to have contributed to the real beauty of the Exhibition. Men flocked to see it and ascended it as it was a novelty and of unique dimensions. It was the toy of the Exhibition. So long as we are children we are attracted by toys, and the Tower was a good demonstration of the fact that we are all children attracted by trinkets. That may be claimed to be the purpose served by the Eiffel Tower."


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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2012, 10:53:59 PM »
I wonder if the extended roof thing was to protect people from the rain. It is Paris, people like to stand around outside.

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2012, 11:08:33 PM »
I like the Eiffel tower and the new design, despite the objections of the netodox.   :P

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2012, 01:08:16 AM »
It would look nice without the funky canopy, but keeping the nice star shape windows on the domes maybe?

The canopy looks like a cross between the Scottish and Welsh parliaments, two of the ugliest buildings of the 00's (what do you call that, we have "the tens, twenties, thirties" etc)

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2012, 01:26:57 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2012, 02:03:14 AM »
I couldn't imagine Paris without the Eiffel Tower, regardless of it's lack of artistic merit.
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2012, 02:03:14 AM »
The Church doesn't look that bad, though it could lose the roof.  But what is that hideous pointy thing behind it?
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2012, 02:03:14 AM »
The canopy looks like a manta ray
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2012, 04:14:16 AM »
He may have a point. The church would look 100x better if they scrapped that bizarre glass roof design. So while I support construction regardless of design, a traditional Russian-style church would look great on the skyline.

Just my .02

How do you know what it's going to look like?  There was no picture included in the article....at least I didn't see one.
I'm curious to see it.
This is the envisioned product :







http://rt.com/art-and-culture/news/church-eiffel-tower-orthodox-385/

It will be such a beautiful building if they decide not to use the incredibly bizarre glass roof (which, in my opinion, looks like someone dropped a piece of fabric on the church).

um....lol! What is with that roof! wow...just wow.. :'( ::) :P :o >:(  :-X :-\

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2012, 09:48:28 AM »
First thought when I read the title: generally in countries that Orthodox christians are a minority, in opinion of inhabitants and the goverment of the city an Ortohodx temple  won''t be "good for skyline". Recently we had similar situation in Warsaw.

The cathedral look very fine, truly Orthodox spirit, very elegant (it suits to Paris) but wihout this roof, as some of you mentioned before. It woudln't destroy the general order of Paris' architecture. I don't see any rason to place this horrible roof.  Is there any explanation for it?

BTW, in the article it looks as if Orthodox christians were only Russians in opposition to "universal" Roman-Catholic Church: "With 165 million members, the Russian Orthodox Church is the second-largest in Christianity after the 1.3-billion-strong Roman Catholic Church"

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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2012, 08:31:06 PM »
I'm new here, so hello everyone. :)  As for the building, I think it's absolutely lovely.  When I read that the mayor felt it would not  fit in I assumed it was something just a bit  too traditional for the Parisian taste, (I had their triangular museum in mind), but now that I've seen the pictures, I consider it outstanding and especially the roof. 

I feel it gives a modern twist to the structure, and also a covering for the processions.  I hope though it's not blue like in the first foto.   ;) 

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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2012, 08:42:53 PM »
What I like about the roof is the way the pattern continues up the domes.  I bet when it's finished, we'd all be gazing at it in awe. 

In one thing the mayor is  right, it doesn't fit in with the ugliness of the Eiffel tower, but to each his own.  ::)

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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2012, 05:55:13 AM »
I like the roof too.
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2012, 06:56:01 AM »
I'd like the roof if it wasn't a church but a botanical garden or a café.
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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2012, 09:12:27 AM »
It looks like a five-eyed stingray. Appropriate for Las Vegas.

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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2012, 10:15:10 AM »
Why would you build such a nice looking building and then cover it up so no one can see it??? Weird. 
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2012, 01:09:22 PM »
That is a cool place! Why not build it?

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2012, 05:01:47 PM »
It will be such a beautiful building if they decide not to use the incredibly bizarre glass roof (which, in my opinion, looks like someone dropped a piece of fabric on the church).

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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2012, 04:03:46 AM »
He may have a point. The church would look 100x better if they scrapped that bizarre glass roof design. So while I support construction regardless of design, a traditional Russian-style church would look great on the skyline.

Just my .02

How do you know what it's going to look like?  There was no picture included in the article....at least I didn't see one.
I'm curious to see it.
This is the envisioned product :







http://rt.com/art-and-culture/news/church-eiffel-tower-orthodox-385/

It will be such a beautiful building if they decide not to use the incredibly bizarre glass roof (which, in my opinion, looks like someone dropped a piece of fabric on the church).

Oh wow that roof is hideous. I like their idea; a blend of traditional with modern architecture. But wow did they go about it the wrong way. It looks like they just slapped the roof on. Like they just had a traditional-looking Church, and then added the roof on for modern flair. It doesn't seem unified. From the top it looks fine, but from the side and underneath, you can really see an ugly contrast between the two.

They should either scrap the roof and keep it traditional or go for a total re-design.
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Re: Mayor of Paris says Orthodox cathedral not good for skyline
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2012, 04:02:23 PM »
The roof is a good idea, but it needs to be done in a way that does not obscure the skyline. How about a solar panel or transparent roof?

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« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2012, 05:24:58 PM »
The roof is a good idea, but it needs to be done in a way that does not obscure the skyline. How about a solar panel or transparent roof?

I think it's the angle the picture was taken at.  As far as I know the roof  is transparent, and I don't believe it's blue.  If it was then I too would consider it hideous.  I recall seeing a picture recently of a mosque in an Arabian country with a similar roof, so the idea is not original.  It was probably taken from Arabia and the tents they used to block out the suns rays.  In Paris, it would keep the worshippers dry in case of rain.  Anyway it's a good idea and it is beautiful as well as practical.   ;)