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« on: August 14, 2011, 12:41:11 AM »

According to the OO tradition the monogenes was written by St Severus of Antioch, but in the Byzantine tradition it is said to have been written by Emperor Justinian. So could someone cite textual evidence which might indicate who actually wrote it? As an OO I believe that St Severus wrote it, but I am curious what "evidence" either side might cite to indicate who actually penned it.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2011, 12:49:45 AM »

I recall VasnTearn once saying that in the Armenian tradition it is attributed to St. Cyril. 

So who knows?   Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2011, 12:55:31 AM »

I recall VasnTearn once saying that in the Armenian tradition it is attributed to St. Cyril. 

So who knows?   Smiley
I think an article on Wikipedia attributes it to St Athanasius, so I guess you're right. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2011, 01:04:36 AM »

Here is VasnTearn's comment about it:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,9840.msg405652.html#msg405652
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2011, 02:11:09 AM »

The actual author is probably lost to history. Justinian probably promulgated it as part of his reconciliation program, later on the Coptics attributed it to Severus and the Armenians to Cyril.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2011, 02:14:39 AM »

The actual author is probably lost to history. Justinian probably promulgated it, later on the Coptics attributed it to Severus and the Armenians to Cyril.
Just a note, the only time the word 'Coptic' is a noun is when it refers to the Coptic language. The Coptic people are known as "the Copts".  Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2011, 02:34:17 AM »

The actual author is probably lost to history. Justinian probably promulgated it, later on the Coptics attributed it to Severus and the Armenians to Cyril.
Just a note, the only time the word 'Coptic' is a noun is when it refers to the Coptic language. The Coptic people are known as "the Copts".  Smiley

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I was referring to the Coptic Orthodox Church. Is it still "Copts"? Sorry. Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2011, 02:38:19 AM »

The actual author is probably lost to history. Justinian probably promulgated it, later on the Coptics attributed it to Severus and the Armenians to Cyril.
Just a note, the only time the word 'Coptic' is a noun is when it refers to the Coptic language. The Coptic people are known as "the Copts".  Smiley

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I was referring to the Coptic Orthodox Church. Is it still "Copts"? Sorry. Tongue
Yes, it is. Smiley And don't worry about it. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 08:41:49 AM »

For the sake of reference, here's the hymn:

Only-Begotten Son and Immortal Word of God,
Who for our salvation didst will to be incarnate of the holy Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary;
Who without change didst become man and was crucified;
Who art one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit:
O Christ our God, trampling down death by death, save us!
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2011, 08:44:27 PM »

A tangent was split off and put in the private forum:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,38980.0.html
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 09:02:54 PM »

I like to sing that one.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011, 10:01:47 PM »

Severian, I always was taught that according to Coptic tradition, the author of this hymn was St. Athanasius. Do you have any Coptic references which refer to St. Severus?
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2011, 10:31:11 PM »

@Copticyouth93: This thread actually talks about that: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,13023.0.html

Reply #16 is particularly helpful.
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