Before I comment, I have to check which thread I am in. Is it the one where I am bashing RCs or defending them . . .
Oh, yeah. Again the discussion like always has gotten away from the OP.
There is ZERO point in an EO coming on an EO internet board and trumpeting of his swearing off RC masses due to his final straw. Especially afflicted with a manner the Greeks would have called wandering-uteroitis or something like that. My Greek is terrible.
It is worse, when we have many lovely RCs here who obviously show his experience is not theirs.
Again, it would be more (at least) interesting and instructive to hear an EO come here and discuss problems in his own backyard.
I'll gladly starts throwing certain parishes under the bus and jurisdictions with pointed and accurate comments and we'll see how it feels.
But at least it would make some sense, this being an EO board.
I never said I wouldn't go back because I thought it sucked. I just probably won't go back for the same reason I don't attend many Protestant services anymore, they aren't Orthodox and my conscious is a little bit concerned about Ecumenism. Not to mention there isn't any reason for me to want to attend when we have the fullness of the faith in our church.
I was invited to this service, and I wanted to investigate to see if its a good alternative for a relative to join. (this relative currently doesn't attend church, and is also a freemason & a shriner)
I posted on here to give my reflections about what I experienced. It simply blew up into a big fight because things I said didn't sit well with some people.
I think the point is that it's not exactly good form to go to another's church and crow about how far off track you thought it was. It'd be one thing if you were relating a pre-Orthodox experience as one of the reasons you became Orthodox (oh, the banal mega-church rock band services!) it's quite a different thing to go to a church you have no real experience with and then do so.
I don't need you to tell me an Episcopal Church is blasphemous and heretical and recites the Creed "Mother, Daughter and Sophia" I used to be Episcopalian and know this happens from experience. I don't need you to tell me the Baptists are kind of crazy and they serve grape juice in shot glasses. It does me no good, and makes me feel sad for my former coreligionists, and all it does is make us look bad to any visiting Episcopalians and Baptists.
Sorry if I'm just kind of sick and tired of seeing people trying to trumpet the Roman Catholic Church as being "so similar" in many ways to our church... In my mind, every Orthodox needs to realize that we aren't so similar to the West, and for the most part, we need to separate ourselves from them as much as possible.
I'm also doing it against the very small minority in the church that would possibly like to see similar changes occur to our church. People need to realize that this is absolutely not an option for us, and that the Roman Catholic Church will have to make major changes if it wants reunion to occur.
I know a few Catholic converts to Orthodoxy who consider themselves to be REFUGEES in Orthodoxy.
For them, untold to their confessors, Orthodoxy is only a temporary home until they can return to Rome.
In fact, one such convert recently left Orthodoxy for a sedevacant Catholic Church.
These former Catholics are hoping and praying that the Vatican will miraculously turn around and become more Orthodox.
They also believe in Our Lady of Fatima and are praying for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
In fact, there is a recently published novel that shares this sentiment. This book, Russian Sunrise
, has been written by Dr. Bruce W. Walters, M.D. to give hope to Catholics who are disgusted with the Novus Ordo and the continual reforms of the reforms.
Why does the Catholic Church need one reform after another? Why can't they return to the Faith of our Fathers?
What scares these former Catholics, and also scares me to be honest, is that there are Greek Orthodox Priests (whom I will NOT name) who have told me that they have personal friends in high places in the Catholic Church, like the Benedictine Master General in Rome (Superior over all the Benedictines). These Greek Orthodox Priests want reunion, and they want it soon. They are allowing Catholic-Orthodox interfaith couples to have both a Catholic and an Orthodox Godparent for their babies at Baptism. And they know that these babies will grow up receiving Holy Communion in both the Catholic and the Orthodox Church. This is currently happening in California as I know the Catholic Godparents who take the Greek Orthodox Child to the Catholic Church Novus Ordo for Holy Communion. Sadly, some Orthodox parents in Orthodox-Catholic marriages have become Catholics because of this arrangement. They grow comfortable attending the Novus Ordo; they like the vernacular as their children do not understand Greek; and they love guitar masses because they enjoy swinging to the popular tunes.
These same Greek Orthodox Priests are those who are working on translations that are very similar to the NO. In their creeds, they have borrowed from the ICEL translation: seen and unseen, instead of visible and invisible, and like the ICEL, these Greek Orthodox Priests avoid
the use of "who for us men."
And then these same Greek Orthodox priests say that there is really nothing wrong with the NO, and that it is a valid Mass. When I have mentioned the abuses I have seen, they counter saying that there are only a few priests who are committing these abuses. Well, in all the Los Angeles parishes which I have visited while I was a Catholic, abuses were everywhere. Apparently, nothing much has changed since Cardinal Mahoney has retired. His orchestrated abuses are now so commonplace that they are considered NORMAL.