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« on: August 10, 2011, 05:08:44 AM »

was the compromise of the catholic faith a compromise to much?

when the pope agreed to allow Anglican priests , married at that to become catholic priests,

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and that does not mean that worshippers of the Ordinariate will be "mingled in" with Catholic congregations.

"They will have a special service in their own right," said Bishop McMahon.


so these so called priests will have there own Anglican / catholic services with there own doctrine.

does this mean that the catholic church is no longer catholic, by faith and by nature, but a new protestant / catholic mix.

in the name of uniting these churches, has the pope created a monster?

catholic should be catholic, no compromise, do you think the apostles would of compromised like this to the detrimental cost of faith and church.
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 05:16:55 AM »

Mandatory celibacy and liturgical unity are both errors.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 05:19:32 AM »

The special Anglican service will be in line with Catholic doctrine, I'm sure. And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC. These are just pastoral concessions, not theological compromise.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 05:48:11 AM »

The special Anglican service will be in line with Catholic doctrine, I'm sure. And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC. These are just pastoral concessions, not theological compromise.

Hi Volnutt

you are quite right about the Byzantine rite, they are allowed to be married, though they are not Roman catholic, These Anglican priests have been ordained or made deacons in the Latin rite church which is very different.

I actually prefer the Byzantine rite, it is much closer to Orthodoxy and much closer to how the original church was.

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 06:14:57 AM »

And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC.

Tell that to Italian Roman bishops. angel
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 06:27:19 AM »

And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC.

Yes, they are.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 07:51:17 AM »

And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC.

Yes, they are.

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 08:01:55 AM »

Technically married men can become priests not visa versa.  That is in the Eastern Catholic churches.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 08:09:47 AM »

Technically married men can become priests not visa versa.  That is in the Eastern Catholic churches.

Only if their bishop will ordain them. Not many EC bishops are so willing, unfortunately.

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 08:12:07 AM »

The special Anglican service will be in line with Catholic doctrine, I'm sure. And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC. These are just pastoral concessions, not theological compromise.

Hi Volnutt

you are quite right about the Byzantine rite, they are allowed to be married, though they are not Roman catholic, These Anglican priests have been ordained or made deacons in the Latin rite church which is very different.

I actually prefer the Byzantine rite, it is much closer to Orthodoxy and much closer to how the original church was.


Why not come home to Orthodoxy and get the real thing? Wink

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 08:59:58 AM »

Technically married men can become priests not visa versa.  That is in the Eastern Catholic churches.

Only if their bishop will ordain them. Not many EC bishops are so willing, unfortunately.

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Only in the New World.  Bishops in the Old World have no problem ordaining married men the priesthood.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 09:04:49 AM »

Technically married men can become priests not visa versa.  That is in the Eastern Catholic churches.

Only if their bishop will ordain them. Not many EC bishops are so willing, unfortunately.

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Only in the New World.  Bishops in the Old World have no problem ordaining married men the priesthood.

Apart from Syrians, SYro-Malancars and Ethiopians.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 09:15:28 AM »

The special Anglican service will be in line with Catholic doctrine, I'm sure. And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC. These are just pastoral concessions, not theological compromise.

Hi Volnutt

you are quite right about the Byzantine rite, they are allowed to be married, though they are not Roman catholic, These Anglican priests have been ordained or made deacons in the Latin rite church which is very different.

I actually prefer the Byzantine rite, it is much closer to Orthodoxy and much closer to how the original church was.



The strict separation of rites is in itself an innovation. For the first 1000 years of Christianity (Orthodoxy) in the West, there were multiple rites, and celibate clergy were not the norm until about the 8th century, and that only in regions directly under papal jurisdiction--this excluded most of the West which was basically autonomous.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 09:26:24 AM »

Technically married men can become priests not visa versa.  That is in the Eastern Catholic churches.

Only if their bishop will ordain them. Not many EC bishops are so willing, unfortunately.

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Andrew

Only in the New World.  Bishops in the Old World have no problem ordaining married men the priesthood.

Apart from Syrians, SYro-Malancars and Ethiopians.
What about the Chaldeans? And of course, I don't think the restrictions are limited to the new world. Many ECs outside their homelands, like in Italy, for example, do not permit married men to be ordained in the RCC.

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 10:58:39 AM »

The special Anglican service will be in line with Catholic doctrine, I'm sure. And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC. These are just pastoral concessions, not theological compromise.

Hi Volnutt

you are quite right about the Byzantine rite, they are allowed to be married, though they are not Roman catholic, These Anglican priests have been ordained or made deacons in the Latin rite church which is very different.

I actually prefer the Byzantine rite, it is much closer to Orthodoxy and much closer to how the original church was.


Why not come home to Orthodoxy and get the real thing? Wink

In Christ,
Andrew

Thank you for the invitation, I am looking into converting to orthodoxy, just praying about it, it seems such a big step to take.
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2011, 09:09:17 AM »

Technically married men can become priests not visa versa.  That is in the Eastern Catholic churches.

Only if their bishop will ordain them. Not many EC bishops are so willing, unfortunately.

In Christ,
Andrew

Only in the New World.  Bishops in the Old World have no problem ordaining married men the priesthood.

Apart from Syrians, SYro-Malancars and Ethiopians.
What about the Chaldeans? And of course, I don't think the restrictions are limited to the new world. Many ECs outside their homelands, like in Italy, for example, do not permit married men to be ordained in the RCC.

In Christ,
Andrew

I was referring mostly to those of Slavic extraction in their homelands, where married priests in Ukraine, for example, are rather common.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2011, 03:44:47 PM »

The special Anglican service will be in line with Catholic doctrine, I'm sure. And Byz Cath priests are allowed to be married IIRC. These are just pastoral concessions, not theological compromise.

Hi Volnutt

you are quite right about the Byzantine rite, they are allowed to be married, though they aHre not Roman catholic, These Anglican priests have been ordained or made deacons in the Latin rite church which is very different.

I actually prefer the Byzantine rite, it is much closer to Orthodoxy and much closer to how the original church was.


Why not come home to Orthodoxy and get the real thing? Wink

In Christ,
Andrew

Thank you for the invitation, I am looking into converting to orthodoxy, just praying about it, it seems such a big step to take.
It is indeed a big step. There are many of us here who came from the same position at one time who would be more than happy to help answer questions or concerns. You're in my prayers.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2011, 03:46:14 PM »

Technically married men can become priests not visa versa.  That is in the Eastern Catholic churches.

Only if their bishop will ordain them. Not many EC bishops are so willing, unfortunately.

In Christ,
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Only in the New World.  Bishops in the Old World have no problem ordaining married men the priesthood.

Apart from Syrians, SYro-Malancars and Ethiopians.
What about the Chaldeans? And of course, I don't think the restrictions are limited to the new world. Many ECs outside their homelands, like in Italy, for example, do not permit married men to be ordained in the RCC.

In Christ,
Andrew

I was referring mostly to those of Slavic extraction in their homelands, where married priests in Ukraine, for example, are rather common.
Yes. I was talking about outside of the homelands with the exception of the Chaldeans. I apologize for not making that clear. Smiley

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Andrew
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