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Re: Scandinavian Orthodoxy
« Reply #225 on: February 02, 2013, 11:55:08 PM »
Pictures from Theophany (not mine)  :)

Its kinda odd seeing an Orthodox church full of such Germanic looking people.

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« Reply #226 on: February 03, 2013, 10:40:14 AM »
That is because some of us are of germanic heritage. :)
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« Reply #227 on: February 03, 2013, 01:41:27 PM »
Pictures from Theophany (not mine)  :)

Its kinda odd seeing an Orthodox church full of such Germanic looking people.

Behold the Orthodox exotics: Western European White people.
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Re: Scandinavian Orthodoxy
« Reply #228 on: February 14, 2013, 09:42:08 AM »
Thanks for the pictures.  I met the Priest and Deacon at the last General Assembly in Paris.

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You could call it that. It's a suburb outside of Copenhagen.
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« Reply #229 on: February 14, 2013, 09:59:57 AM »
Thanks for the pictures.  I met the Priest and Deacon at the last General Assembly in Paris.

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You could call it that. It's a suburb outside of Copenhagen.

You're welcome  :)

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Re: Scandinavian Orthodoxy
« Reply #230 on: February 15, 2013, 06:36:50 AM »
Just in case any Swedes, Danes, Norwegians or Icelandic people happen to visit Helsinki and are able to understand finlandssvenska, timetable and contact information for EO services in Swedish can be found here.
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Re: Scandinavian Orthodoxy
« Reply #231 on: March 15, 2013, 04:39:55 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtba-psCe5I - probably the best Orthodox chanting from this region I've ever heard.

And I have a question: what are the hymns from these 2 Finnish videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUVFyImRATQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MF9PKyNA-s
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« Reply #232 on: March 15, 2013, 04:54:39 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtba-psCe5I - probably the best Orthodox chanting from this region I've ever heard.

Byzantine chant is not usually heard in Finnish parishes though. Thank God since generally I don't like Byzantine chant. :angel:

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Many years.

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I don't know this hymn's official name but it starts with "Come, let us bless the ever-memorable Joseph, who went to Pilate by night to beg for the Life of all".
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Re: Scandinavian Orthodoxy
« Reply #233 on: March 15, 2013, 05:00:54 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtba-psCe5I - probably the best Orthodox chanting from this region I've ever heard.

Byzantine chant is not usually heard in Finnish parishes though. Thank God since generally I don't like Byzantine chant. :angel:
Sorry to hear, as I love byzantine chant and I think it's more suitable do various languages than Russian chants. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MF9PKyNA-s

I don't know this hymn's official name but it starts with "Come, let us bless the ever-memorable Joseph, who went to Pilate by night to beg for the Life of all".

Ah, yes, that's what I was supposing to be ;) Thank you very much for the help :)
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« Reply #234 on: March 15, 2013, 05:25:52 PM »
Sorry to hear, as I love byzantine chant and I think it's more suitable do various languages than Russian chants. ;)

Finnish chant sounds occasionally rather clumsy regardless of whether it is Russian or Byzantine. :P

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Re: Scandinavian Orthodoxy
« Reply #235 on: March 15, 2013, 06:52:06 PM »
Sorry to hear, as I love byzantine chant and I think it's more suitable do various languages than Russian chants. ;)

Finnish chant sounds occasionally rather clumsy regardless of whether it is Russian or Byzantine. :P



I don't think so. They're maybe a bit specific, but they're nice, despite the fact it's not my favourite way of chanting ;)
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« Reply #236 on: March 16, 2013, 08:04:19 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtba-psCe5I - probably the best Orthodox chanting from this region I've ever heard.

Byzantine chant is not usually heard in Finnish parishes though. Thank God since generally I don't like Byzantine chant. :angel:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUVFyImRATQ

Many years.

Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MF9PKyNA-s

I don't know this hymn's official name but it starts with "Come, let us bless the ever-memorable Joseph, who went to Pilate by night to beg for the Life of all".
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Re: Scandinavian Orthodoxy
« Reply #237 on: March 27, 2013, 12:19:41 PM »
Sunday of Orthodoxy with a visit from father Sergei and parishioners from the Russian Orthodox Church  :)





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« Reply #238 on: March 27, 2013, 01:19:58 PM »
what's up with the stuffed animals?

No idea. They seemed to have nothing to do with the texts.
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« Reply #239 on: March 28, 2013, 03:11:48 AM »
Just in case anyone of you is interested how modern Orthodox state church operates,

Lag om ortodoxa kyrkan
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« Reply #240 on: March 28, 2013, 04:34:09 PM »
I know this has been posted before, but I simply love it.  :)

http://tv.nrk.no/serie/gudstjeneste-tv/dmpt63480112/09-09-2012
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« Reply #241 on: March 28, 2013, 04:38:22 PM »
Just in case anyone of you is interested how modern Orthodox state church operates,

Lag om ortodoxa kyrkan

Thank you! Interesting  :)
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Re: Scandinavian Orthodoxy
« Reply #242 on: March 28, 2013, 04:43:26 PM »
I know this has been posted before, but I simply love it.  :)

http://tv.nrk.no/serie/gudstjeneste-tv/dmpt63480112/09-09-2012

What do you think of the dialect?
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« Reply #243 on: March 28, 2013, 04:51:25 PM »
I know this has been posted before, but I simply love it.  :)

http://tv.nrk.no/serie/gudstjeneste-tv/dmpt63480112/09-09-2012

What do you think of the dialect?

I can understand much of it. I think it sounds a bit funny, when they're rolling the R.  :)
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« Reply #244 on: March 28, 2013, 04:56:35 PM »
I know this has been posted before, but I simply love it.  :)

http://tv.nrk.no/serie/gudstjeneste-tv/dmpt63480112/09-09-2012

What do you think of the dialect?

I can understand much of it. I think it sounds a bit funny, when they're rolling the R.  :)

The weird thing is that the Swedish that is taught in Finnish schools is not like that. It's a bit more like rikssvenska. I'm constantly bewildered by the fact that most finlandsvenskar in Helsinki seem to pronounce their language exactly like Finnish is pronounced.
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« Reply #245 on: March 28, 2013, 05:05:32 PM »
I know this has been posted before, but I simply love it.  :)

http://tv.nrk.no/serie/gudstjeneste-tv/dmpt63480112/09-09-2012

What do you think of the dialect?

I can understand much of it. I think it sounds a bit funny, when they're rolling the R.  :)

The weird thing is that the Swedish that is taught in Finnish schools is not like that. It's a bit more like rikssvenska. I'm constantly bewildered by the fact that most finlandsvenskar in Helsinki seem to pronounce their language exactly like Finnish is pronounced.

Now when you mention it, it does sound like finnish pronounciation.

Personally, I can't read finlandsvenskar. I have a hard enought time, trying to understand rikssvenska.
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« Reply #246 on: March 28, 2013, 09:28:26 PM »
Personally, I can't read finlandsvenskar. I have a hard enought time, trying to understand rikssvenska.

Read, or understand in spoken form? In writing, it should not be a big difference.

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« Reply #247 on: April 03, 2013, 08:32:12 PM »
Watching it and understanding it perfectly. But: I grew up with swedish-tv and are also used to finnish people that speaks swedish.
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« Reply #248 on: April 04, 2013, 01:40:40 AM »
I know this has been posted before, but I simply love it.  :)

http://tv.nrk.no/serie/gudstjeneste-tv/dmpt63480112/09-09-2012

What do you think of the dialect?

I can understand much of it. I think it sounds a bit funny, when they're rolling the R.  :)

The weird thing is that the Swedish that is taught in Finnish schools is not like that. It's a bit more like rikssvenska. I'm constantly bewildered by the fact that most finlandsvenskar in Helsinki seem to pronounce their language exactly like Finnish is pronounced.
That's common: Riksmal in Norway came from the Danish spoken in Christiana with Norwegian pronunciation.
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« Reply #249 on: May 31, 2013, 07:27:43 AM »
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« Reply #250 on: May 31, 2013, 08:03:22 PM »
Another one is in the works. I do however need some more time on it.
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« Reply #254 on: June 12, 2013, 03:42:05 PM »
Just saw news that the new Bible translation is the most sold book in Norway. Is it used by the Norwegian Orthodox?
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« Reply #255 on: June 12, 2013, 03:55:16 PM »
Just saw news that the new Bible translation is the most sold book in Norway. Is it used by the Norwegian Orthodox?

Not liturgically at least. The prayer book and liturgy book translated by Fr. Johannes Johansen, who is in charge of most (all?) the Norwegian speaking parishes, try to imitate the language of the 1930 edition of the Bible, though I know he has amended the Psalter to match the LXX.

The new Bible translation is all about readability, it's not very well suited for liturgical use. However, I have found the new translation to be much more accurate and faithful to the original Greek than older versions, at least in certain places. That should perhaps make it the Bible of choice among Orthodox for private reading.

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« Reply #256 on: June 12, 2013, 03:58:53 PM »
Just saw news that the new Bible translation is the most sold book in Norway. Is it used by the Norwegian Orthodox?

If it's the one from 2011, I don't think so. If I remember correctly, it contains translations of words, which most Orthodox probably wouldn't agree with. For example, "virgin", in many places, are translated as "young woman".
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« Reply #257 on: July 31, 2013, 06:58:38 PM »
It's privately used by the Orthodox since it's the only Norwegian translation we have. (I think there might be some alternatives, but they're not in production anymore and most of the alternatives are Jehovas witnesses bibles and well... quirky stuff)

The bible is translated with the "earliest text" principle. I think that's very acceptable and Orthodox compared to say:
translating it from the latin vulgata.

Ansgar is correct of course, Some Greek words can be interpreted in a "conservative" or "liberal" way, and they have pretty much gone with "liberal" at every opportunity.

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« Reply #258 on: August 01, 2013, 01:28:42 AM »
Just in case any Swedes, Danes, Norwegians or Icelandic people happen to visit Helsinki and are able to understand finlandssvenska, timetable and contact information for EO services in Swedish can be found here.

Finlandssvenska är grammatiskt och till ordförrådet mycket nära vad jag skulle kalla vanlig svenska. Finlandssvenskt uttal är tydligt och alltså inte svårt att förstå. Länken verkar dock inte fungera. Sidan jag fick fram ger ett felmeddelande av typen "sidan fanns inte" (404). 

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« Reply #259 on: August 01, 2013, 07:53:37 AM »
Jeg skal så meget have dem her.  :)

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« Reply #260 on: August 01, 2013, 08:39:45 AM »
Just in case any Swedes, Danes, Norwegians or Icelandic people happen to visit Helsinki and are able to understand finlandssvenska, timetable and contact information for EO services in Swedish can be found here.

Finlandssvenska är grammatiskt och till ordförrådet mycket nära vad jag skulle kalla vanlig svenska. Finlandssvenskt uttal är tydligt och alltså inte svårt att förstå. Länken verkar dock inte fungera. Sidan jag fick fram ger ett felmeddelande av typen "sidan fanns inte" (404).  

Gudstjänster på svenska. Den här länken skulle fungera lite bättre.

Det är intressant att du tycker att Finlandssvenka är inter så svårt att förstå. Jag tror det var Ansgar som sade att han förstörde nästan någonting när han försokte att läsa någon skrivning om ortodoxi på Finlandssvensk. Jag har också hört om andra Skandinaviska personer som förstår inte Finlandssvenska även om de förstår Rikssvenska.
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« Reply #261 on: August 01, 2013, 12:37:51 PM »
Just in case any Swedes, Danes, Norwegians or Icelandic people happen to visit Helsinki and are able to understand finlandssvenska, timetable and contact information for EO services in Swedish can be found here.

Finlandssvenska är grammatiskt och till ordförrådet mycket nära vad jag skulle kalla vanlig svenska. Finlandssvenskt uttal är tydligt och alltså inte svårt att förstå. Länken verkar dock inte fungera. Sidan jag fick fram ger ett felmeddelande av typen "sidan fanns inte" (404).  

Gudstjänster på svenska. Den här länken skulle fungera lite bättre.

Det är intressant att du tycker att Finlandssvenka är inter så svårt att förstå. Jag tror det var Ansgar som sade att han förstörde nästan någonting när han försokte att läsa någon skrivning om ortodoxi på Finlandssvensk. Jag har också hört om andra Skandinaviska personer som förstår inte Finlandssvenska även om de förstår Rikssvenska.

Tack för länken.

Sådana svårigheter måste bero på begränsade kunskaper i svenska. Det finns gott om skandinaver som inte kan svenska, eller som bara kan lite svenska. Det finns svenskar som inte kan sitt eget modersmål särskilt bra. Det finns svenskar som inte har tillräckliga kunskaper i svenska för att förstå andra dialekter än de som ligger dem närmast. Att skilja på finlandssvenska och svenska som om de vore olika språk är felaktigt, anser jag. Finlandssvenska är en svensk dialekt, precis som västgötska, värmländska, göteborgska, småländska osv. För en person - svensk eller inte - som har genomsnittliga kunskaper i svenska är det inte alls svårt att förstå finlandssvenska.

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« Reply #263 on: September 05, 2013, 05:18:58 PM »
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« Reply #264 on: September 05, 2013, 05:34:29 PM »
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« Reply #268 on: September 18, 2013, 10:18:47 AM »
Like North America, Scandinavia has a local Church in it. Even better than North America, everyone recognizes that Church as the canonical jurisdiction in Finland, which exists as a constituent part of Scandinavia.  There is no reason why the Church of Finland should not, per canon 2 of the Second Ecumenical Council, exercise jurisdiction throughout Scandinavia

Just out of curiosity, what do you think of the idea of being under Finland instead of your present jurisdiction?
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« Reply #269 on: September 18, 2013, 10:29:24 AM »
Like North America, Scandinavia has a local Church in it. Even better than North America, everyone recognizes that Church as the canonical jurisdiction in Finland, which exists as a constituent part of Scandinavia.  There is no reason why the Church of Finland should not, per canon 2 of the Second Ecumenical Council, exercise jurisdiction throughout Scandinavia

Just out of curiosity, what do you think of the idea of being under Finland instead of your present jurisdiction?

Are you asking all of us?
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