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The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« on: October 29, 2016, 03:17:19 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2016, 03:23:48 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.

Of course I do, I studied Arabic. Jihad just means struggle. He's been trying to shut down anti-Israel and pro-Palestine opposition. That's a jihad.
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2016, 03:27:13 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.

Of course I do, I studied Arabic. Jihad just means struggle. He's been trying to shut down anti-Israel and pro-Palestine opposition. That's a jihad.

Yeah, especially spiritual struggle. It's quite an equivalent to Church Slavonic "podvig".
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2016, 04:02:48 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.

Of course I do, I studied Arabic. Jihad just means struggle. He's been trying to shut down anti-Israel and pro-Palestine opposition. That's a jihad.

Jihad is more than simply a struggle.  By that definition, my 6 month old son has a "jihad" every day.

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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2016, 04:10:57 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.

Of course I do, I studied Arabic. Jihad just means struggle. He's been trying to shut down anti-Israel and pro-Palestine opposition. That's a jihad.

Jihad is more than simply a struggle.  By that definition, my 6 month old son has a "jihad" every day.

No it's not. The lexical meaning is struggle. Islamic law defines jihad differently than it's lexical meaning, all I was doing was using it in a lexical sense. This is honestly not something that is worth getting hung up on. http://lisaan.net/search/%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF

The first definition is to exert oneself or to be able to do something. Another says to eat and live as a human being is jihad. There are probably ten more definitions there if you want to be scrupulous about the word jihad. And if you want to do that, private message, because I really don't care about what you think jihad means. I don't, and I don't want to waste my time arguing about it.
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2016, 04:26:19 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.

Of course I do, I studied Arabic. Jihad just means struggle. He's been trying to shut down anti-Israel and pro-Palestine opposition. That's a jihad.

Jihad is more than simply a struggle.  By that definition, my 6 month old son has a "jihad" every day.

Well, he is your adorable son.  :)
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2016, 04:51:57 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.

Of course I do, I studied Arabic. Jihad just means struggle. He's been trying to shut down anti-Israel and pro-Palestine opposition. That's a jihad.

Jihad is more than simply a struggle.  By that definition, my 6 month old son has a "jihad" every day.

No it's not. The lexical meaning is struggle. Islamic law defines jihad differently than it's lexical meaning, all I was doing was using it in a lexical sense. This is honestly not something that is worth getting hung up on. http://lisaan.net/search/%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AF

The first definition is to exert oneself or to be able to do something. Another says to eat and live as a human being is jihad. There are probably ten more definitions there if you want to be scrupulous about the word jihad. And if you want to do that, private message, because I really don't care about what you think jihad means. I don't, and I don't want to waste my time arguing about it.

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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2016, 05:52:07 PM »
Your post said "wage jihad."
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2016, 05:06:46 AM »
Your post said "wage jihad."

I am going to have to take up a crusade on this argument. That is "to mark with a cross" that is, "to add to this argument", that is "using the symbol of addition" and say:

Good point!!!

To say "wage jihad" is most often in the Islamic context of the word!

But that cannot will not win the argument, because he will simply respond, "to wage a struggle is a phrase, as 'to wage' is 'to engage in', and therefore 'to engage in a struggle'."

I am afraid it is impossible to decisively win this argument! Darn semantics!
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2016, 10:45:38 AM »
*Facepalm*

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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2016, 11:17:02 AM »
Here there is an interesting article written by fr. Basil Mahfoud in Arabic "الجهاد والاستشهاد في الفكر المسيحي" that's in English "Jihad and martyrdom in Christian thought".
And, remembering that Arabic is a Semitic language, so based on roots and derivates (subjects) from them, both the priest (in the second paragraph of the article) and root-dictionaries (e.g Wehr) claim it's from root جهد
connected with effort, strain, stive, work etc. And this word is used in Arabic Orthodox works as an equivalent of Church Slavonic podvig (подвиг). Surely, in Islam context this effort is understood in different manner.
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2016, 12:52:32 PM »
Next up: the meaning of "sharia."
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2016, 01:05:08 PM »
Next up: the meaning of "sharia."

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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2016, 03:30:48 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.

Of course I do, I studied Arabic. Jihad just means struggle. He's been trying to shut down anti-Israel and pro-Palestine opposition. That's a jihad.

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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2016, 06:51:36 PM »
Andrew Cuomo also has been waging a jihad against pro-Palestine groups, for what it's worth, not a friend to Arab Orthodox.

You mean not waging a jihad. Or you don't know what jihad means.

Of course I do, I studied Arabic. Jihad just means struggle. He's been trying to shut down anti-Israel and pro-Palestine opposition. That's a jihad.

Okay, well, back on the ignore list for you.

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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2016, 10:04:41 PM »
If I put a lot of effort in my studies will I become a mujahid of books?
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2016, 10:43:49 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDz7o6nPFDI This might help, or make things worse; whichever I guess. I just happened to find it on Youtube.
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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2016, 11:14:47 PM »
The term planet earth is an innovation which has arisen in recent centuries with the error of heliocentrism.

If one wants to confess a pure doctrine of Orthodoxy, they should be careful not to refer to the earth as a planet, unlike the current Pope as well as Patriarch Kirill and Patriarch Bartholomew, who regularly speak in error when they refer to our planet earth.

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Re: The meaning of the word 'jihad'
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2016, 01:21:27 AM »
Yet another instance of non-Arabic-speaking White Christians defining what real Islam is. Too bad that I'm not a Muslim. This thread could be a lot of fun.
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