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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2018, 07:18:05 PM »
Second person plural pronouns were current in the Iberian languages-speaking word to adress people of higher statute, but they have nowadays disappeared in that sense outside of religious language. Some Spanish American countries inherited the pronoun "vos" from that old form, but it's not formal and it works a bit differently.
Right, so shouldn't it be "Senhor, tende piedade" in Portuguese?  How is it said in your church?
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2018, 10:34:16 PM »
Second person plural pronouns were current in the Iberian languages-speaking word to adress people of higher statute, but they have nowadays disappeared in that sense outside of religious language. Some Spanish American countries inherited the pronoun "vos" from that old form, but it's not formal and it works a bit differently.
Right, so shouldn't it be "Senhor, tende piedade" in Portuguese?  How is it said in your church?
"Senhor, tem piedade." We don't use the Roman Catholic tradition of "vós" to God, which is weird since "tu" is used in the Vulgate, and also probably just recently widespread since reading the Bible and praying Mass in Portuguese among Roman Catholics is a recent thing.
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2018, 10:38:56 PM »
Right, so shouldn't it be "Senhor, tende piedade" in Portuguese?  How is it said in your church?
"Senhor, tem piedade." We don't use the Roman Catholic tradition of "vós" to God, which is weird since "tu" is used in the Vulgate, and also probably just recently widespread since reading the Bible and praying Mass in Portuguese among Roman Catholics is a recent thing.
Well, the plural form is usually proper to royalty.  Curiously, "tu" and "vós" were familiar pronouns, with "você" being formal.  This is still so in European Portuguese.  This was so in archaic English too, but nowadays it is reversed as well.
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2018, 09:35:02 AM »
"Você" is a modern thing (XVII century), I believe "vós" worked both as plural informal/formal and singular formal, plus many formalities were shown using "vosso/vossa" + some virtue, specially "vossa mercê", which eventually became "você". All Iberian Latin languages formed their pronouns this way, but it's a relatively recent areal development across languages rather than an ancient trait.

In some parts of Brazil tu/você are still used as back in the same country, but with messed up grammar. In some like Rio, there are four levels in some sense: tu, cê, você, o senhor.
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2018, 01:09:44 AM »
Does anyone have any good links to actual audio pronunciations of various "Kyrie" translations? It's obviously pretty easy to find some of the "larger" languages like Greek, Russian, Arabic, Romanian, etc, but it's much harder to find something like...Korean or Chinese.

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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2018, 05:40:14 AM »
Does anyone have any good links to actual audio pronunciations of various "Kyrie" translations? It's obviously pretty easy to find some of the "larger" languages like Greek, Russian, Arabic, Romanian, etc, but it's much harder to find something like...Korean or Chinese.

It's easier to find such things, if you know at least basics of the langauge, that's obvious. There are recordings of Orthodox services and prayers in really different languages, so it's jstu about knowdlge how to find them - I mean, knowledge of the language, because only in some cases wiriting in English such thigns as "Orthodox Japanese" can be helpful. It's also easier to catch the words and proper pronunciation, if, again, you know at least basics of the language.
For example Korean:
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2018, 08:14:12 AM »
Does anyone have any good links to actual audio pronunciations of various "Kyrie" translations? It's obviously pretty easy to find some of the "larger" languages like Greek, Russian, Arabic, Romanian, etc, but it's much harder to find something like...Korean or Chinese.

It's easier to find such things, if you know at least basics of the langauge, that's obvious. There are recordings of Orthodox services and prayers in really different languages, so it's jstu about knowdlge how to find them - I mean, knowledge of the language, because only in some cases wiriting in English such thigns as "Orthodox Japanese" can be helpful. It's also easier to catch the words and proper pronunciation, if, again, you know at least basics of the language.
For example Korean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HCLsbwvge0

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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2018, 06:23:35 PM »
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2018, 06:32:50 PM »
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2018, 08:30:22 PM »
Der Voghormia Lord have mercy ``` Hyeren in metch in Armenian

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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2018, 10:56:15 PM »
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2018, 09:10:24 PM »
Japanese in my sig. Phonetic pronunciation: "Shu awareh meh yo".
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2018, 09:56:17 AM »
Ilocano: Apo, pakawanennak.
Tagalog: Panginoon, maawa ka.
Castillian: Señor, ten piedad.
French: Seigneur, aie-pitié de nous.
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2018, 02:40:17 PM »
I reconstruct the Gothic phrase as: * Frauja armai!

Perhaps it needs an indirect object like "us" = uns/unsis or "the world" = þana fairƕu.
Frauja, armai þana fairƕu!

Wulfilan script uses the second half-pane of UTF-8. Seems it can't be written here.

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Re: "LORD, HAVE MERCY" in your languages
« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2018, 04:33:45 PM »
Since people started posting in the thread that actually repeats/reminds an older one I have merged the two topics.
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Re: how to say lord have mercy in different languages!
« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2018, 11:18:09 AM »
I reconstruct the Gothic phrase as: * Frauja armai!

Perhaps it needs an indirect object like "us" = uns/unsis or "the world" = þana fairƕu.
Frauja, armai þana fairƕu!

Wulfilan script uses the second half-pane of UTF-8. Seems it can't be written here.
Amazing! I did study a little Gothic when younger. In this reconstructionist vibe...

  • Common Germanic: "Frawjô, armai unsiz!" (I used "unsiz" because this feels like have been an intransitive verb)
  • Common Slavic: "Gospodi, jьměji milostь!" (didn't find any evidence for a single verb)
  • Common Indo-European: "H₂eryés, h₂éns!" (this must be totally wrong, but worth the try; the first root is related to "Aryan" and "aristocracy", the second to "onde")
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