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1) Atheism is a religion

2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality

3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices

4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God

5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion

6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves

7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life

8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents

9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal

10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God

11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion

12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology

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Other crazy things you've heard?

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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 11:30:58 AM »
lulz. Good for you!
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 11:31:36 AM »
Atheism makes no sense.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 11:32:18 AM »
Obviously I angling toward the belief . . .

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 11:33:35 AM »
A more general take on one of yours:

Atheists must be very unhappy.
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 11:34:35 AM »
Recently:

I feel bad for atheists, because if they are right, they will never know it.

I did LOL at that one, I must admit.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2011, 01:23:29 PM »
1) Atheism is a religion
For some it is. However atheists tend to eat their own, and in-fighting and disagreement among the atheist hierarchy tends to thwart any advancement of a public-policy agenda which seeks to undermine religious people or be consistent in their religion.

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2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality
Actually this is a true statement. They have no moral or objective basis because of their atheism.

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3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices
For many young atheists, atheism is just a way to validate or justify their behavior. The postmodern world-view (relative morality) gives the illusion of conscious-free behavior.

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4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God
C.S. Lewis was one of them.

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5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion
The bulk of it is, considering there are 2 billion adherents to the Christian religion. And considering the fact that Christianity is the most practical religion around, the hardest to refute; other religions are just easy game.

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6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves
Atheism, as a world view, offers nothing of any meaning or value. It's logical ends are nihilism, it rejects the notion of an afterlife, a meaningful life, and all morality, among other things. Any atheist who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Normal, well-adjusted people (whom compromise the great majority of people) will undoubtedly be unpersuaded by their position.

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7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life
The internet is one of the few places that anyone will happen to listen to them. Really, the internet is only place where atheism can portend that it has any clout whatsoever.

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11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion
I'll let Isa prove that, I'm much too lazy at the moment.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2011, 01:37:03 PM »
1) Atheism is a religion

2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality

3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices

4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God

5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion

6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves

7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life

8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents

9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal

10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God

11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion

12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology

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Other crazy things you've heard?

Why do you say that these sayings are crazy? ??? :angel: :laugh:

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2011, 01:37:58 PM »
I dunno, I just like to keep in touch with reality, don't you?  :police: ;)
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2011, 01:50:12 PM »
I dunno, I just like to keep in touch with reality, don't you?  :police: ;)

Not to mention fun.

No stampede to your thread. Shocking.

I am holding more back until others posted. I'll be waiting for a while.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 01:57:45 PM »
Well, just that atheists can't be good people. I point to my signature below.

And I think that some people, when they say that atheists are never happy, are not using the right words. I think that atheists can find some sort of fulfillment and enjoy their lives here on earth, whether through their families, traveling, humanitarian work, the arts, whatever.

But if we, as Christians, can agree that feeling the love, joy, and peace of Christ can not be attained by any other means, they ultimately will never reach that stage of "happiness" (like I said, not the right word. I would use "joy?" I don't know).
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 02:04:10 PM »
Well, just that atheists can't be good people. I point to my signature below.

And I think that some people, when they say that atheists are never happy, are not using the right words. I think that atheists can find some sort of fulfillment and enjoy their lives here on earth, whether through their families, traveling, humanitarian work, the arts, whatever.

But if we, as Christians, can agree that feeling the love, joy, and peace of Christ can not be attained by any other means, they ultimately will never reach that stage of "happiness" (like I said, not the right word. I would use "joy?" I don't know).

I hate the word happy and nearly every connotation it carries in standard American English. The Brits still use it at times in an appropriate manner.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2011, 02:09:42 PM »
Atheists can be good, but they can never really have a standard (that isn't arbitrary) by which to judge their own goodness.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2011, 02:12:05 PM »
Craziest thing? Occasionally I run into Christians who are perhaps a tad oversensitive and blurt out something like, "Atheists are all Communists / just like Stalin / you name it." Obviously, that sort of thing is ridiculous.

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2011, 02:14:12 PM »
1) Atheism is a religion
It's faith based and ideological, just like religion.

2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality
Atheists can make up a morality of their own. It simply has no foundation.

3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices
We all adhere to our beliefs for a variety of reasons, and not all of our reasons are pure desire for the truth.

4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God
In some cases this may be ture.

5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion
Christianity does seem to be favored target of atheists.

6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves
I don't think that they should kill themselves, but I also don't see how one can be an honest atheist and not be a nihilist.

7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life
Not sure what this means.
8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents
Well, since most atheists are science teachers... ;)
9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal
I can't comment from personal experience
10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God
I completely endorse this comment.
11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion
Between abortion and communism, this is absolutely true.
12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology
From what many atheists have told me, protestant views of God absolutely have lead many to atheism.
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2011, 02:14:43 PM »
Atheists can be good, but they can never really have a standard (that isn't arbitrary) by which to judge their own goodness.

Not for this to descend into unhappy, unfun, but Christians have been really steady and in agrement in their morals over the millennia. lulz. If you want to argue about this, not only do I have proof but also a place where you do it:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2011, 02:22:11 PM »
1) Atheism is a religion
It's faith based and ideological, just like religion.

2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality
Atheists can make up a morality of their own. It simply has no foundation.

3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices
We all adhere to our beliefs for a variety of reasons, and not all of our reasons are pure desire for the truth.

4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God
In some cases this may be ture.

5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion
Christianity does seem to be favored target of atheists.

6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves
I don't think that they should kill themselves, but I also don't see how one can be an honest atheist and not be a nihilist.

7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life
Not sure what this means.
8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents
Well, since most atheists are science teachers... ;)
9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal
I can't comment from personal experience
10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God
I completely endorse this comment.
11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion
Between abortion and communism, this is absolutely true.
12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology
From what many atheists have told me, protestant views of God absolutely have lead many to atheism.
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*, brilliant. You are getting them to come and say there own crazy things in earnest.
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2011, 02:32:51 PM »
I dunno, I just like to keep in touch with reality, don't you?  :police: ;)

I don't think those sayings are crazy. If we are strictly looking at the word "atheism" or "atheist" to mean a specific narrow thing or non-belief and nothing else then it would be a case of misapplying the definition.

But in general people know what we mean when we use the term and so no, those sayings are not crazy. Each saying may not apply to each individual atheist who have ever lived, but each of those sayings can apply to an individual atheist who have at one time lived.
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2011, 02:41:13 PM »
Atheists can be good, but they can never really have a standard (that isn't arbitrary) by which to judge their own goodness.

Not for this to descend into unhappy, unfun, but Christians have been really steady and in agrement in their morals over the millennia. lulz. If you want to argue about this, not only do I have proof but also a place where you do it:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/

We have a standard. A tradition! Now people want to challenge and change our tradition all the time, but our morality is more stable because of our tradition.

If you are someone who shuns traditionalism and conservatism then naturally your progressiveness will cause any moral system to be unstable. When one combines progressivism with atheism then you will have a recipe for perpetual change in morality.

Tradition is the glue for any society, tribe or people group to be stable. If tradition is constantly questioned then the ground for a stable moral system is shattered.   
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2011, 02:42:01 PM »
*, brilliant. You are getting them to come and say there own crazy things in earnest.

Yeah, but don't you kinda find it depressing? I mean, these aren't dumb people here, and yet...

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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2011, 02:45:28 PM »
Come on, those up there on your high horses, you know this isn't black and white.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2011, 02:52:02 PM »
*, brilliant. You are getting them to come and say there own crazy things in earnest.

Yeah, but don't you kinda find it depressing? I mean, these aren't dumb people here, and yet...

Those sayings are not crazy. We might use the term "atheist" more broadly than the definition that some atheistic apologists would like to use it for, but people know what we mean when we use the term more broadly.

Thus those sayings are not crazy. They are also not crazy because we are speaking in general terms. Those sayings were never suppose to identity the situation for every individual atheist on planet earth.



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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2011, 02:55:56 PM »
Atheists can be good, but they can never really have a standard (that isn't arbitrary) by which to judge their own goodness.

Not for this to descend into unhappy, unfun, but Christians have been really steady and in agrement in their morals over the millennia. lulz. If you want to argue about this, not only do I have proof but also a place where you do it:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/

We have a standard. A tradition! Now people want to challenge and change our tradition all the time, but our morality is more stable because of our tradition.

If you are someone who shuns traditionalism and conservatism then naturally your progressiveness will cause any moral system to be unstable. When one combines progressivism with atheism then you will have a recipe for perpetual change in morality.

Tradition is the glue for any society, tribe or people group to be stable. If tradition is constantly questioned then the ground for a stable moral system is shattered.   

You didn't read my post you responded to, but at least you clicked the link. //:=)
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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2011, 02:59:53 PM »
Atheists have poor personal hygiene, thus they smell like feces and body odor.
Atheists devour children, the younger the better because they are more tender.
Atheists never use garlic when they cook children.  Because it scares them.  Thus they are vampires as well.
Atheists have bad haircuts.  It's because their brains are so small that it cannot grow their hair properly.
Atheists don't believe in God because if there was a God he wouldn't have let Goldilocks get eaten by the three bears.  This proves that their religion is a fairy tale.
Atheists believe in evolution because it justifies their having of tails.
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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2011, 03:01:14 PM »
^ LOL, I'm loving you right now.
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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2011, 03:46:17 PM »
Christians always make the best arguments for atheism.
It's faith based and ideological, just like religion.
But if we use atheism to define a lack of belief in God, is that so much reliant on a faith? I guess I need to see you flesh this out more.

Now the person who flat out rejects God's existence, I agree with you, but I am hung up on what I said above.

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Atheists can make up a morality of their own. It simply has no foundation.
Exactly.

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We all adhere to our beliefs for a variety of reasons, and not all of our reasons are pure desire for the truth.
I love this.

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I don't think that they should kill themselves, but I also don't see how one can be an honest atheist and not be a nihilist.
Again hit it dead on.

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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2011, 03:48:30 PM »
I hope to see our other philosopher here, theo, weigh in as well.

I predict that would take us into the surreal...

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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2011, 03:50:23 PM »
I hope to see our other philosopher here, theo, weigh in as well.

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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2011, 03:56:37 PM »
I hope to see our other philosopher here, theo, weigh in as well.

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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2011, 04:39:52 PM »
Craziest thing? Occasionally I run into Christians who are perhaps a tad oversensitive and blurt out something like, "Atheists are all Communists / just like Stalin / you name it." Obviously, that sort of thing is ridiculous.
All atheists are not Communists, but all Communist are atheists by definition, no?

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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2011, 04:42:25 PM »
I hope to see our other philosopher here, theo, weigh in as well.

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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2011, 04:46:17 PM »
Craziest thing? Occasionally I run into Christians who are perhaps a tad oversensitive and blurt out something like, "Atheists are all Communists / just like Stalin / you name it." Obviously, that sort of thing is ridiculous.
All atheists are not Communists, but all Communist are atheists by definition, no?

Technically, yes.
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2011, 04:55:44 PM »
1) Atheism is a religion

2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality

3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices

4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God

5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion

6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves

7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life

8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents

9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal

10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God

11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion

12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology

[Ahhh, I feel much better]

Other crazy things you've heard?

Out of all of what you listed, only half of number 6, I don't think it's all that crazy.  It is in a sense nihilist, but they justify it by saying that it's a good thing, that it teaches them to make use of every minute of their lives as best as possible.  So, the killing themselves part is crazy, but I don't think the nihilist part is all that crazy to me.  What do you think?

I do however argue repeatedly that anyone who does believe so really evaluate themselves and realize that in the end, it doesn't even matter for them.  If all that I live for is only around me, then what happens when all that is gone before I'm gone?

But you practically did list everything that Christians should be wary about when having discussions with atheists.  Hats off.

Here's one:

Atheists are douchebags.
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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2011, 05:03:48 PM »
Recently:

I feel bad for atheists, because if they are right, they will never know it.

I did LOL at that one, I must admit.
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« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2011, 05:37:34 PM »
Recently:

I feel bad for atheists, because if they are right, they will never know it.

I did LOL at that one, I must admit.
Why is that so LOL worthy?

It was the context and person saying it and off-handed manner. It was a you had to be there thing.
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2011, 09:44:03 PM »
This thread is trending on troll activity.  :police:

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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2011, 09:56:49 PM »
Well, just that atheists can't be good people. I point to my signature below.

And I think that some people, when they say that atheists are never happy, are not using the right words. I think that atheists can find some sort of fulfillment and enjoy their lives here on earth, whether through their families, traveling, humanitarian work, the arts, whatever.

But if we, as Christians, can agree that feeling the love, joy, and peace of Christ can not be attained by any other means, they ultimately will never reach that stage of "happiness" (like I said, not the right word. I would use "joy?" I don't know).

A book I'd recommend that really dives into what you're saying is Incarnate Love: Essays in Orthodox Ethics by Vigen Guroian (I've recommended it elsewhere on this site, but I do think it's worth checking out).

As for the thread itself - I know better than to try to respond to it point-by-point. It's an inherent "troll" thread with people who have no intention of defending their claims. So why bother? :)
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2011, 10:03:03 PM »
Come on, those up there on your high horses, you know this isn't black and white.

Thread pwned.
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« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2011, 10:04:11 PM »
Well, just that atheists can't be good people. I point to my signature below.

And I think that some people, when they say that atheists are never happy, are not using the right words. I think that atheists can find some sort of fulfillment and enjoy their lives here on earth, whether through their families, traveling, humanitarian work, the arts, whatever.

But if we, as Christians, can agree that feeling the love, joy, and peace of Christ can not be attained by any other means, they ultimately will never reach that stage of "happiness" (like I said, not the right word. I would use "joy?" I don't know).

A book I'd recommend that really dives into what you're saying is Incarnate Love: Essays in Orthodox Ethics by Vigen Guroian (I've recommended it elsewhere on this site, but I do think it's worth checking out).

As for the thread itself - I know better than to try to respond to it point-by-point. It's an inherent "troll" thread with people who have no intention of defending their claims. So why bother? :)

You need to check the history of the word troll on the internets. I have explained it here before. It used to be a badge of honor till everyone and their brother were able to just post irrelevant and fecal matter stirring posts with nothing to back it up. And the same sorta people got drawn into useless threads.

This is trolling in the spirit of the golden years of the internets.

Its called challenging people and / or having fun.
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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2011, 10:05:24 PM »
I've never seen troll defined as something positive.

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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2011, 10:08:32 PM »
I've never seen troll defined as something positive.

Cause you are a n00b.

Share your cred.

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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2011, 10:17:01 PM »
I've never seen troll defined as something positive.

Cause you are a n00b.

Share your cred.

To quote an expert:

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I remember back in the day when trolls were welcome clever people to keep newsgroups on their toes. The word has been watered down to the least common of denominators.

I used troll pretty hard. I knew of one troll who probably pulled the biggest job on a group once. Involved a faked death after years of posting and appearing later at a meet-up. Everyone since having a great sense of humor and old to the internet game gave nothing but respect to the guy.

GiC could troll if he wanted to, God knows he has enough brain cells and expertise to probably sock puppet at least five believable experts on this forum.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,35307.msg556858.html#msg556858

BTW, look at that thread. And see how far the OP has come. I am so proud.
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2011, 10:57:09 PM »
Did you seriously just quote yourself as proof?

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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2011, 11:01:13 PM »
Did you seriously just quote yourself as proof?
That would imply that his ego.....wait....
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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2011, 11:03:34 PM »
I've never seen troll defined as something positive.

Cause you are a n00b.

Share your cred.



Um, no. I've been on boards and in chat rooms for at least 16 years.

How would you even know?

The only people who think trolling is positive are, of course, trolls.

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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2011, 11:31:48 PM »
As for the thread itself - I know better than to try to respond to it point-by-point. It's an inherent "troll" thread with people who have no intention of defending their claims. So why bother? :)

Well, for once you're correct (don't let it go to your head, it's just once). While I'm willing to spend hours looking through the Bible, Church Fathers, etc. coming up with posts for this site, with most of the content frankly having little to no practical application or benefit for me, nonetheless I had no intentions of responding to some of the posts in this thread. Some problems would be too frustrating to try to fix, some problems are obviously dumb arguments to begin with, and yet other problems would require that someone change a major part of their world view before they admitted that they were wrong.

Though now that I think about it, 90% of the arguments are probably a bit of all three.

A priest (who was actually a practicing psychologist in his secular life) once told me that I don't suffer fools gladly. He was to a large extent right. Though I've learned to keep my mouth shut a lot of the time.

Btw, this thread was originally meant to be light hearted. Hence the winking emoticon as part of the Message Icon. There was also the "Ahh, now I feel better" thing. So much for that!  :police: Many seemed not to pick up on it's tone, and tried to turn it into a debate. Which I guess I should have expected; and yet, as I said earlier, is a bit depressing.
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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2011, 11:34:37 PM »
Many seemed not to pick up on it's tone, and tried to turn it into a debate. Which I guess I should have expected; and yet, as I said earlier, is a bit depressing.

It's like you are looking over my shoulder.
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2011, 11:35:22 PM »
As for the thread itself - I know better than to try to respond to it point-by-point. It's an inherent "troll" thread with people who have no intention of defending their claims. So why bother? :)

Well, for once you're correct (don't let it go to your head, it's just once). While I'm willing to spend hours looking through the Bible, Church Fathers, etc. coming up with posts for this site, with most of the content frankly having little to no practical application or benefit for me, nonetheless I had no intentions of responding to some of the posts in this thread. Some problems would be too frustrating to try to fix, some problems are obviously dumb arguments to begin with, and yet other problems would require that someone change a major part of their world view before they admitted that they were wrong.

Though now that I think about it, 90% of the arguments are probably a bit of all three.

A priest (who was actually a practicing psychologist in his secular life) once told me that I don't suffer fools gladly. He was to a large extent right. Though I've learned to keep my mouth shut a lot of the time.

Btw, this thread was originally meant to be light hearted. Hence the winking emoticon as part of the Message Icon. There was also the "Ahh, now I feel better" thing. So much for that!  :police: Many seemed not to pick up on it's tone, and tried to turn it into a debate. Which I guess I should have expected; and yet, as I said earlier, is a bit depressing.
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2011, 11:35:33 PM »
Many seemed not to pick up on it's tone, and tried to turn it into a debate. Which I guess I should have expected; and yet, as I said earlier, is a bit depressing.

It's like you are looking over my shoulder.
Turn around.
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2011, 11:37:38 PM »
Did you seriously just quote yourself as proof?

This is surprising. //:=)

Would wikipedia be better?

Let's check together, never thought to before on such a silly subject:

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Commonly, what is meant is a relatively gentle inside joke by veteran users, presenting questions or topics that had been so overdone that only a new user would respond to them earnestly. For example, a veteran of the group might make a post on the common misconception that glass flows over time. Long-time readers would both recognize the poster's name and know that the topic had been discussed a lot, but new subscribers to the group would not realize, and would thus respond. These types of trolls served as a practice to identify group insiders. This definition of trolling, considerably narrower than the modern understanding of the term, was considered a positive contribution

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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2011, 11:40:03 PM »
I've never seen troll defined as something positive.

Cause you are a n00b.

Share your cred.



Um, no. I've been on boards and in chat rooms for at least 16 years.

How would you even know?

The only people who think trolling is positive are, of course, trolls.

16 years . . . let's do the math, it's like 2011?

2011
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n00b

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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2011, 11:43:27 PM »
We even had different names for people. All kindsa shibboleths depending on the group.

Good times. Then AOL happened and all that home access garbage for the everyman, then Netscape, then worse dejanews, then even worser: google groups.

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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2011, 11:46:16 PM »
Many seemed not to pick up on it's tone, and tried to turn it into a debate. Which I guess I should have expected; and yet, as I said earlier, is a bit depressing.

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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2011, 11:48:38 PM »
LOVE THAT SONG.
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
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« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2011, 11:50:19 PM »
Considering your flirtations with atheism I took it seriously. My apologies.

Don't want him hitting on your girl? Totally acceptable or understandable. I get those two confused. //:=)
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« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2011, 11:51:43 PM »
LOVE THAT SONG.

I'm going to start quoting music I know.

My friends are amazed at what I don't know or have even heard of at karaoke.
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« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2011, 11:53:06 PM »
Considering your flirtations with atheism I took it seriously. My apologies.

Don't want him hitting on your girl? Totally acceptable or understandable. I get those two confused. //:=)
She's been a faithless whore.
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« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2011, 11:56:15 PM »
LOVE THAT SONG.
I forgot the best part:

WHOA-O
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« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2011, 11:56:45 PM »
Considering your flirtations with atheism I took it seriously. My apologies.

Don't want him hitting on your girl? Totally acceptable or understandable. I get those two confused. //:=)
She's been a faithless whore.

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« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2011, 11:57:07 PM »
LOVE THAT SONG.

I'm going to start quoting music I know.

My friends are amazed at what I don't know or have even heard of at karaoke.
Oh wah, you're so old, I'm a hipster, I know, I know.  :laugh:

And a lot of it depends on upbringing. My father and mother blasted Eurodance all throughout my childhood. They have videos of me dancing to the stuff.

I know a lot of random music but I fail whenever I pick a Beatles song on the Cranium Humdingers category. I can only hum the verse line. No one would want to be on my team for that part, but I knock out the Gnilleps every single time.
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #60 on: August 11, 2011, 11:57:33 PM »
As for the thread itself - I know better than to try to respond to it point-by-point. It's an inherent "troll" thread with people who have no intention of defending their claims. So why bother? :)

Well, for once you're correct (don't let it go to your head, it's just once). While I'm willing to spend hours looking through the Bible, Church Fathers, etc. coming up with posts for this site, with most of the content frankly having little to no practical application or benefit for me, nonetheless I had no intentions of responding to some of the posts in this thread. Some problems would be too frustrating to try to fix, some problems are obviously dumb arguments to begin with, and yet other problems would require that someone change a major part of their world view before they admitted that they were wrong.

Though now that I think about it, 90% of the arguments are probably a bit of all three.

A priest (who was actually a practicing psychologist in his secular life) once told me that I don't suffer fools gladly. He was to a large extent right. Though I've learned to keep my mouth shut a lot of the time.

Btw, this thread was originally meant to be light hearted. Hence the winking emoticon as part of the Message Icon. There was also the "Ahh, now I feel better" thing. So much for that!  :police: Many seemed not to pick up on it's tone, and tried to turn it into a debate. Which I guess I should have expected; and yet, as I said earlier, is a bit depressing.

Sorry  :-\

I honestly thought it was a challenging notion, of how to prevent making the same argumentative mistakes, with a little bit of a joke in it (hence the dbag part)
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« Reply #61 on: August 11, 2011, 11:58:34 PM »
LOVE THAT SONG.
I forgot the best part:

WHOA-O
If you wanna leave, I won't beg you to stay.
And if you go, darling, maybe it's better that way.
I'm gonna be strong, I'm gonna be fine, don't worry about this heart of mine.

(Genius stuff, amirite?)
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« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2011, 12:00:44 AM »
LOVE THAT SONG.

I'm going to start quoting music I know.

My friends are amazed at what I don't know or have even heard of at karaoke.
Oh wah, you're so old, I'm a hipster, I know, I know.  :laugh:

And a lot of it depends on upbringing. My father and mother blasted Eurodance all throughout my childhood. They have videos of me dancing to the stuff.

I know a lot of random music but I fail whenever I pick a Beatles song on the Cranium Humdingers category. I can only hum the verse line. No one would want to be on my team for that part, but I knock out the Gnilleps every single time.

I mean, I don't know hardly any of the stuff, I ain't talking marginal stuff. All white people music.

The white people music I know comes from films where the music is just pitch perfect for the scene (every film by PT Anderson for example), hence some of my odd knowledges.

Or places I work and had to listen to over and over without knowing who sang the stuff.

Or friends or past loves where there are sentimental attachments.



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« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2011, 12:01:24 AM »
LOVE THAT SONG.
I forgot the best part:

WHOA-O
If you wanna leave, I won't beg you to stay.
And if you go, darling, maybe it's better that way.
I'm gonna be strong, I'm gonna be fine, don't worry about this heart of mine.

(Genius stuff, amirite?)

I gotta start writing lyrics . . .
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« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2011, 12:03:11 AM »
What are you classifying as white people music, now?
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« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2011, 12:08:19 AM »
What are you classifying as white people music, now?

Whatever was ostensibly popular, like everyone in the bar knows and I am clueless.
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« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2011, 12:30:38 AM »
What are you classifying as white people music, now?

Whatever was ostensibly popular, like everyone in the bar knows and I am clueless.

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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2011, 01:43:46 AM »
What are you classifying as white people music, now?

Whatever was ostensibly popular, like everyone in the bar knows and I am clueless.

Orthonorm, bro, are you some kind of self-loathing hipster?

Ummm they all cheer and love the schlocky music in an ironic manner. I grew around black and hicks.
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #68 on: August 12, 2011, 02:19:32 AM »
Atheists can be good, but they can never really have a standard (that isn't arbitrary) by which to judge their own goodness.

Not for this to descend into unhappy, unfun, but Christians have been really steady and in agrement in their morals over the millennia. lulz. If you want to argue about this, not only do I have proof but also a place where you do it:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/

I didn't say they were.  Rather, I said that Atheists can have no objective standard by which to judge what is or isn't good, certainly there are many Christians like this as well.
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2011, 11:21:26 AM »
*, brilliant. You are getting them to come and say there own crazy things in earnest.

Yeah, but don't you kinda find it depressing? I mean, these aren't dumb people here, and yet...
And yet what?
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #70 on: August 12, 2011, 11:31:13 AM »
What are you classifying as white people music, now?

Whatever was ostensibly popular, like everyone in the bar knows and I am clueless.

Orthonorm, bro, are you some kind of self-loathing hipster?

Ummm they all cheer and love the schlocky music in an ironic manner. I grew around black and hicks.

You know, my buddy has some bluegrass rap music.
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #71 on: August 12, 2011, 11:31:48 AM »
What are you classifying as white people music, now?

White people music is what it has been since Roman times.  Metal!
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« Reply #72 on: August 12, 2011, 11:35:56 AM »
*, brilliant. You are getting them to come and say there own crazy things in earnest.

Yeah, but don't you kinda find it depressing? I mean, these aren't dumb people here, and yet...
And yet what?

I hope you are brilliantly playing the straight man here , but I fear you are not. (I swear no innuendo about RCs there. Seriously.)
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #73 on: August 12, 2011, 12:55:57 PM »
What's the official, 73et $p34k, better-than-crack, word for troll?

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« Reply #74 on: August 12, 2011, 01:05:00 PM »
What's the official, 73et $p34k, better-than-crack, word for troll?

Eh, for a bit I felt like some people were being trollish as well, but I've since realised that this isn't the case. Some people are consistent in how they approach things like this, and I shouldn't have expected otherwise on this thread.

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« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2011, 01:09:26 PM »
What's the official, 73et $p34k, better-than-crack, word for troll?

The name of either two of the newer notorious posters here. Both names begin with the same letter and end with the same sound.

I don't know who is brillianter.

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« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2011, 03:47:13 PM »
LOVE THAT SONG.
I forgot the best part:

WHOA-O
If you wanna leave, I won't beg you to stay.
And if you go, darling, maybe it's better that way.
I'm gonna be strong, I'm gonna be fine, don't worry about this heart of mine.

(Genius stuff, amirite?)
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« Reply #77 on: July 24, 2015, 12:05:36 PM »
*, brilliant. You are getting them to come and say there own crazy things in earnest.

Yeah, but don't you kinda find it depressing? I mean, these aren't dumb people here, and yet...
And yet what?

Please review the thread, now that some time has passed. :)

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« Reply #78 on: July 24, 2015, 12:39:09 PM »
1) Atheism is a religion
You'd have to define the term, "religion." While atheism may not have rituals and sacraments, it is certainly a dogmatically held belief system.
2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality
Atheists try very hard to create moral systems of their own, but they can't rationally justify those systems. I agree with the atheist Sartre: If there is no God, then everything is permissible.
3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices
This may be true of some atheists, but I don't life inside of atheists' heads, so I don't know the percentage. I do know that human beings are not always objective in their quest for knowledge and truth.
4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God
This may be true of some, but not all atheists.
5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion
It is interesting that Christianity seems to be the favorite target of atheists. I doubt they consciously attack it thinking, "this is the one true religion, so I must destroy it." Of course, the Devil may influence atheists to attach Christianity for this very reason.
6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves
I have yet to see a good, objective reason that an atheist can give for not being a nihilist.
7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life
I'm not sure what this means. I will say that I have a great time shattering atheists' preconceived notions of what I, as a Christian and philosopher, think about the world.
8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents
I can't speak from personal experience on this one, but stereotypes exist for a reason. ;)
9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal
Again, I'm not an atheist, so I can't speak from personal experience. I don't love or hate evolution. It's just a scientific fact that I accept.
10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God
I think this is definitely true of popular atheists who refuse to engage in meaningful discussion with the thought and works of intelligent theistic apologists. In fact, I think it is definitely true of Dawkins, since he purposefully misrepresents the best arguments of his best opponents.
11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion
That's actually a statistical fact when one takes into account communism and abortion.
12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology
From my experience, most of the atheists with whom I converse usually are reacting against protestant fundamentalism.
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« Reply #79 on: July 24, 2015, 12:41:04 PM »
*, brilliant. You are getting them to come and say there own crazy things in earnest.

Yeah, but don't you kinda find it depressing? I mean, these aren't dumb people here, and yet...
And yet what?

Please review the thread, now that some time has passed. :)

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« Reply #80 on: July 24, 2015, 02:02:11 PM »
This looks like it could be fun!  :P
1) Atheism is a religion
I agree that it is not a religion. It can be a worldview though. There is a world of difference between the person who doesn't contemplate the possiblity of God and a person who has the FSM symbol on the back of his car. One is an actual atheist, the other is an anti-theist which does tend to express itself in religiouslike mannerisms.

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2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality
I don't know of any atheist moral system and I've never known an atheist to proclaim that there is such a thing. I don't know about stealing Christian morality though, that doesn't seem to hold up.

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3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices
This is a silly statement. You can't presume to know somebody's reasoning for taking a position.

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4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God
No.

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5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion
It is my experience that they attack Christianity because it is the religion that most of them are most familiar with.

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6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves
I do think it can lead to nihilism, but nihilism does not mean someone should kill themselves. You can be nihilistic, but still generally satisfied with your life even if you believe it all to be ultimately fruitless in the end.

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7) Only people on the internet listen to atheists, never in real life
I do think the internet has greatly popularized atheism and skepticism in general. That is how humans generally respond to an overflow of contradicting information.

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8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents
I would say most are men, I can't speak to their living conditions.

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9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal
I don't understand this at all, but I have heard it before.  ???

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10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God
There is evidence, but skepticism is also a very strong impulse.

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11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion
This is usually argued when the opposite, also ludicrous argument is made that religion is the cause of almost all wars. Both arguments are equally stupid.

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12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology
I do think atheism was able to thrive as a result of developments in Christian theology in the west, but I wouldn't say it is the cause of it.
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« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2015, 02:25:48 PM »
For those unaware of the original context, this thread was meant to be a playful imitation of another thread of the same type, except that the idea for the other thread was going in the opposite direction: Craziest things atheists/non-believers have said about the Christian faith. Many (including me) talked on the other thread about how people (atheists in that case) make sweeping generalizations and unfairly paint all Christians with the same negative brush. So the point of the OP on this thread was to list examples of similarly exaggerated and oversimplified statements about, and arguments against, atheists. There may indeed be merit to many of them, but that's not the point. 8)
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Re: Craziest things Christians have said about atheists/non-believers.
« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2015, 02:27:48 PM »
I think we need another thread called: Craziest things oc.net members have said about Justin Kissel.

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« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2015, 02:58:38 PM »
I think we need another thread called: Craziest things oc.net members have said about Justin Kissel.

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« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2015, 03:02:54 PM »
1) Atheism is a religion

There are different kinds of atheism, some compatible some incompatible with each other.  A coherent definition means "no God"...I guess there may technically be some wiggle room for spirituality  religion in there.

I've heard it stated that in America there is no such thing as an atheist.  I think that's not true, what is meant is that they don't believe on a concept of "God" in a way most people who traditionally do, do.  Americans are happy to be Buddhists, vegans, pacifists, nationalists, racists, or whatever...  but not Catholics or "fundamentalist".  Very moral, and very spiritual.

It may be stated that atheism is a direct response to pagan, Aristotelian/Platonic, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and Zoroastrian conceptions of God.  Or it is at least a critique of certain aspects that keep cropping up within them. 

"Fundamentalism" and cultural disgust may play a part in the atheists knowledge of "religion", but probably not a very large one.  If anything they play the part of one party making fun of, or using as a straw man/ boogey man the inevitable fringe elements of another party.  Clearing up "fundamentalist" myths is a waste of time usually.  Heck, the word itself is probably dangerously vacuous.

2) Atheists have no morality of their own, and just steal Christian morality

Some of this could be true, and much of it is admitted by atheists.  Once again it depends on the atheist.  Marx and Hume are incompatible, but both would admit that xtianity was part of the moral makeup and appropriate that in their thought in different (incompatible) ways. In his own way, Nietzsche admitted it too.

An atheist could think that God actually contradicts or leads to catastrophic consequences of any coherent moral sentiment that can be rationalized, experienced, or talked about.  In this way an atheist can be disgusted (as they usually are) with various ethics of various religions.

Frankly I don't think focusing on morals is a great thing.  Atheists, Americans, hard core secular political ideologues or whomever love morality and the smugness it gives weight their cause just as much as anyone.



3) They're only atheists because they want to continue their perverted practices

Lots of people will stick to any "ideal" to confirm their whims.  This says nothing for or against anything.  This is a psychologism

4) Atheists are just people who are angry at God

I think that means they are not atheists by definition.  An atheist does need to have some concept of God though.  Once again though, they can be disgusted by the consequence of belief.

5) Atheists only attack Christians, because Christianity is the one true religion


Most people hate Islam.  Secular Jews can be pretty hard on religious Jews.  Classical paganism is dead, so there is nothing to attack.  I'm not too sure if there is any debate in Japan or India on paganism vs atheism, that's not my thing.  If not it does less one to suspect that atheism is more of a "western" phenomenon...which is interesting (this also does not contradict many atheists, such as Nietzsche).

6) Atheism logically leads to nihilism, so they should just kill themselves

This is an is /ought fallacy...the concepts if of atheism and nihilism though, as I've been stating, are too broad anyway.  So this makes the "atheists ought kill themselves conclusion even more shaky.  I get a lot of self professed atheists (maybe Camus and Sartre) say that killing yourself is cool...but they were "existentialist", and hence a bit of a joke.


8 ) Atheists are usually adult men living in the basement of their parents


No.  Interesting someone would signal out this group though.  It's like saying atheists are "not fit enough" to be on planet earth, they are "beta males", the most "reactionary" class of all. 

Sounds like a strange, smug, and triumphalistic , social Darwinist claim.

9) Atheists love evolution because it gives them an excuse to act like an animal

No

10) Atheists are blind and refuse to see the overwhelming evidence for the existence of God

I have no clue what this is about.  If you're using the word evidence (an empirical term, as opposed to the inferior term "proof"), the word already implies subjective interpretation and a bit of humility between two people.  It's hard to tell me what the opposition really does see.

11) Atheism has caused more death in the world than any other religion

This is probably useless categorical thinking.   It's probably reactionary to.  Using opposing narratives and categories to defend one's own position.  That seems odd.

Besides how much of this is about abstract terms (religion vs atheism), and utilitarian numbers?  That seems a bit macabre. 

What atheist or what Christian killed which person?  Why? That's more important.  I'm half tempted to call that line if reason vulgar philistinism.

"One man dead is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" , Orthodox seminarian Joseph Stalin...a philistine if there ever was one.

12) Atheism arose due to a warped western Christian theology

I said earlier this may be a more western phenomenon.  It's worth looking into.  I'm.not too sure of that's right, but there is merit to this line of thought.
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« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2015, 04:11:16 PM »
I think we need another thread called: Craziest things oc.net members have said about Justin Kissel.

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« Reply #86 on: July 24, 2015, 05:40:33 PM »
Has alot to do with personal views and generally isn't the big picture.

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« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2015, 05:41:18 PM »
Has alot to do with personal views and generally isn't the big picture.

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