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Question: Can i talk about anything in confession or is there things that ppl should avoid talking about???  (Voting closed: August 23, 2011, 12:26:30 AM)
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« on: August 10, 2011, 12:26:30 AM »

Is there certain things you should avoid saying in confessions??
What if you have a mega long list of stuff??
Is there a time limit on talking??
Can you do like a general skim over things or does he need details??
Is there anything pacific that you have to say that is normal to say in that situation?? Like a ritual or tradition
How do you know when to go in or not??
Can other people over hear what your saying??
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 12:37:11 AM »

During any confession the penitent should avoid getting too detailed to ward-off indiscretion. If you are too detailed, you can tempt the priest or somehow indict another person involved. So for example, if you committed fornication you can spare the "juicy" details, and don't say who it was with.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 01:48:21 AM »

When a person converts, they do a life confession and that can take awhile. But if you go regularly you obviously will have less to say, generally.

We have to be honest and not conceal things, but also spare the details as Alveus said. For example, "I lied to my parents several times this week about where I was." Some priests prefer more of a list, others prefer more of a narrative.

We also have to avoid scrupulosity, becoming obsessed with minor things while we ignore major things.

There is a service of confession but I've never had a priest go through it with me. There are a few opening prayers by the priest and then you say your piece. He may have some words of counsel, and then there is the absolution. It can take as little as 1-2 minutes, but I'd say 5-10 is normal in my experience (but my parish is rather small so the priest can spend more time with each person).

Usually confession happens by the iconstasis, and the priest will come out and stand there if he's hearing confessions. People will queue up and wait their turn. Or people sometimes schedule a confession if they need extra counsel or can't come at a normal time.

As for overhearing others, not really. Usually someone will be reading something during confession so it's not easy to overhear.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 03:05:43 AM »

You're supposed to bare your soul, but it's not always that simple. Feel things out... and go slowly...
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 04:27:44 AM »

Is there certain things you should avoid saying in confessions??

Mentioning activities of the other.

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What if you have a mega long list of stuff??

That's not a problem.

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Is there a time limit on talking??

No, there's not.

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Can you do like a general skim over things or does he need details??

Yes.

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Is there anything pacific that you have to say that is normal to say in that situation?? Like a ritual or tradition

You bow and kiss the Gospel and and the icon before the confession. After you confess your sins the priests asks whether you regret them (you have to for confession to be valid), then he gives a mini-sermon to you, an absolution. Finally you kiss the Gospel and icon again and ask him for a blessing.

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How do you know when to go in or not??

That's a tricky one.

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Can other people over hear what your saying??

They shouldn't.
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 05:27:02 AM »


Is there certain things you should avoid saying in confessions??


Mentioning activities of the other.


wow ok so like
"The posty got stuck in my....." Nope
"My mate salted me a minging cup of tea...." Nope

So you just have to say
"I chunked all the postys mail in the river" or
"I put shrimps in the air con of my mates car"
without any qualification to it??




What if you have a mega long list of stuff??


That's not a problem.


Well if its a first confession it will go back years!!!




Is there a time limit on talking??


No, there's not.


Two hours?? Three??



Can you do like a general skim over things or does he need details??


Yes.


Which?? Skim or details??



Is there anything pacific that you have to say that is normal to say in that situation?? Like a ritual or tradition


You bow and kiss the Gospel and and the icon before the confession. After you confess your sins the priests asks whether you regret them (you have to for confession to be valid), then he gives a mini-sermon to you, an absolution. Finally you kiss the Gospel and icon again and ask him for a blessing.


What will he say if you don't regret them??



How do you know when to go in or not??


That's a tricky one.


Can you call out....are you ready now?? or WOOOHOO!!! or cough loudly or what??



Can other people over hear what your saying??


They shouldn't.


They shouldn't but they can sometimes huh?? lolOl
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 06:55:32 AM »

When a person converts, they do a life confession and that can take awhile. But if you go regularly you obviously will have less to say, generally.

We have to be honest and not conceal things, but also spare the details as Alveus said. For example, "I lied to my parents several times this week about where I was." Some priests prefer more of a list, others prefer more of a narrative.

We also have to avoid scrupulosity, becoming obsessed with minor things while we ignore major things.

There is a service of confession but I've never had a priest go through it with me. There are a few opening prayers by the priest and then you say your piece. He may have some words of counsel, and then there is the absolution. It can take as little as 1-2 minutes, but I'd say 5-10 is normal in my experience (but my parish is rather small so the priest can spend more time with each person).

Usually confession happens by the iconstasis, and the priest will come out and stand there if he's hearing confessions. People will queue up and wait their turn. Or people sometimes schedule a confession if they need extra counsel or can't come at a normal time.

As for overhearing others, not really. Usually someone will be reading something during confession so it's not easy to overhear.

Bogdan and everyone,

I think this has been touched on before, but it is common for those received through Baptism to do a life confession, since Baptism is for the remission of all prior sins?

I could see how pastorally a "life confession" would be helpful. But hanging around a parish a lot and speaking with my Priest, he probably knows all the "big ones". He sorta asks a list of questions when discussing becoming a catechumen. It really is a list.

Being in recovery for sometime and therapy, being transparent about my life ain't that big of a deal. Especially since both are "supposed" to be more detailed.

Over-scrupulosity has been banged into my head as a problem in different words both in therapy and recovery.

Making molehills into the Himalayas to not see the real mountains is easy.

At our parish, most folks stand toward the back of the parish when a confession is being heard or outside, as not to overhear. Midwesterners are very private like that.

I think my Priest would like folks to confess at least once a month if they are going to regularly commune.

During Lent he sent out several exhorting emails saying none would be communed at Pascha who not been to confession within the last year.

That is the basics as far as I know where I go.   
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 07:38:06 AM »


Is there certain things you should avoid saying in confessions??


Mentioning activities of the other.


wow ok so like
"The posty got stuck in my....." Nope
"My mate salted me a minging cup of tea...." Nope

So you just have to say
"I chunked all the postys mail in the river" or
"I put shrimps in the air con of my mates car"
without any qualification to it??
Pretty much, yeah. The idea is to learn to take responsibility for our actions and not make excuses.
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Can you do like a general skim over things or does he need details??


Yes.


Which?? Skim or details??
Yes.  Wink




Identify the sin. But details are not usually asked for. If you want an all-out counselling session, make an appointment if you know others are waiting or a service needs to begin. Just common courtesy. That also answers another question you had. (I hope)

Can other people over hear what your saying??
Since I'm a chanter in my church, if confessions are being heard before a service, I'll try to cover up any possible overhearing by singing a psalm or will call the other chanters over to "practise" something that is coming up. My priest will often hear confessions during Orthros on Sunday morning. In that case, I'll just turn up the volume a little bit.

But overhearing really shouldn't be a problem unless the room is small, or the acoustics beyond excellent, or the priest has his lapel microphone turned on  Cheesy.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 09:16:03 AM »

Ok being totally serious for a minute.... does it matter why someone regrets something or not?? Like it would matter to me but does it matter to God??

If someone said sorry to me, and the only reason they was sorry is because they got caught then they're not rli sorry, they're just sorry for thereself but not because they hurt you or let you down.

So, if you regret something ONLY because you know God doesn't like it and NOT because you actually regret what you did.... how much does that matter??

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 11:23:07 AM »

So, if you regret something ONLY because you know God doesn't like it and NOT because you actually regret what you did.... how much does that matter??

Thanks Popps
You've made a really good point here. That's where the priest needs some discernment to prod a little bit just to make sure. Now, admitting that God doesn't like it is at least a step in the right direction. Not everyone will admit even that much. With a little direction, one can find out why the sin isn't good for the sinner, either.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 11:29:55 AM »

What will he say if you don't regret them??

He will ask you to come, when you'll start to.


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Can you call out....are you ready now?? or WOOOHOO!!! or cough loudly or what??

It depends on the confessors. Some require to confess once a month, some - other frequency. Those who take the Eucharist every Liturgy should confees more often.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 11:32:45 AM »

It might be the difference between a heart of flesh and a heart of stone Poppy. Only God's Holy Spirit can bring about true repentance and Godly sorrow. As you know, I always say, be obedient and the rest will follow.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 12:34:30 PM »

So, if you regret something ONLY because you know God doesn't like it and NOT because you actually regret what you did.... how much does that matter??

Thanks Popps
You've made a really good point here. That's where the priest needs some discernment to prod a little bit just to make sure. Now, admitting that God doesn't like it is at least a step in the right direction. Not everyone will admit even that much. With a little direction, one can find out why the sin isn't good for the sinner, either.

It might be that the sinner don't see it as sin or can't see any bad that comes from the action
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 12:43:28 PM »

So, if you regret something ONLY because you know God doesn't like it and NOT because you actually regret what you did.... how much does that matter??

Thanks Popps
You've made a really good point here. That's where the priest needs some discernment to prod a little bit just to make sure. Now, admitting that God doesn't like it is at least a step in the right direction. Not everyone will admit even that much. With a little direction, one can find out why the sin isn't good for the sinner, either.

It might be that the sinner don't see it as sin or can't see any bad that comes from the action
Are you meaning here that the sinner knows God doesn't like it and that's the only reason he (sinner) is at confession? As I said, at least it's a start. Sometimes children simply need to be told by their parents "Because I said so." The child is not always able to process the entire reasoning. So as long as the sinner is able to realize that something is wrong even without understanding why, we may just be dealing with a matter of a sort of immaturity that will change over time and with the right guidance.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 02:58:52 PM »

We don't regret our sins because it makes God feel better. It's not God's way of spoiling our fun. We should feel bad about lying or stealing or committing adultery or fighting with our spouse because doing these things hurts us and hurts others. God wants us to be whole and healed and have life abundantly.
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2011, 03:08:56 PM »

No not if you have a good reason for doing the things you did.

Even the law recognises that.
If you shoot someone who is trying to kill you then its self defense but if you just shoot someone then its murder or manslaughter
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2011, 03:13:31 PM »

No not if you have a good reason for doing the things you did.

Even the law recognises that.
If you shoot someone who is trying to kill you then its self defense but if you just shoot someone then its murder or manslaughter

Who gets to decide if the reason is good enough? Does the person who cheated on their spouse get to decide that they had a good reason? Or does the betrayed spouse get to decide? Does the thief get to decide if he is justified in stealing or does the person he stole from get to decide on the validity of the reason?
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2011, 03:29:06 PM »

No not if you have a good reason for doing the things you did.

Even the law recognises that.
If you shoot someone who is trying to kill you then its self defense but if you just shoot someone then its murder or manslaughter

Who gets to decide if the reason is good enough? Does the person who cheated on their spouse get to decide that they had a good reason? Or does the betrayed spouse get to decide? Does the thief get to decide if he is justified in stealing or does the person he stole from get to decide on the validity of the reason?

A Priest once told me a woman asked him if she could have an affair. When he said no, she asked if she could just do it once.

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2011, 03:29:51 PM »

No not if you have a good reason for doing the things you did.

Even the law recognises that.
If you shoot someone who is trying to kill you then its self defense but if you just shoot someone then its murder or manslaughter

Who gets to decide if the reason is good enough? Does the person who cheated on their spouse get to decide that they had a good reason? Or does the betrayed spouse get to decide? Does the thief get to decide if he is justified in stealing or does the person he stole from get to decide on the validity of the reason?

well they get decided on the basis that you said..... if they hurt us or hurt others and who caused it. I don't see the problem of cheating or anything as long as your willing to accept the consequences. I personally think its a minging thing to do but people should have the freedom to do it, just they shouldn't cry when it bites them in the arse.

I even think thats more spiritual than telling people not to do it.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2011, 03:34:15 PM »

Are you saying that cheating doesn't hurt anyone else? Maybe the person will deserve a good swift kick in the toches, but the poor spouse that has to live with that. Vows are serious and there should be no excuse for betraying them.
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2011, 03:36:49 PM »

u can start really generally, eg. i tend to take revenge on people (the prawns incident) instead of forgiving them, i tend to lie when i am scared and i love hearing juicy gossip so i can feel proud that i am better than other people. (just making up some examples.)
then the priest can say if he needs more details.

i am surprised someone said confession may take 5 - 10 mins, mine has never been that short!
maybe i am rli bad!  Shocked
in some churches is there a little room u go into?
in our church people confess at the back of the church when everyone has gone out of the church.
so we can see them but we can't hear them.

if u r embarrassed for others to see u weeping tears of repentance and getting emotional (i am only half joking!) u can ask to go somewhere more private.
confession makes more sense after someone has been baptised, then the 'bad' things feel more bad and the 'good' things more good. yr conscience gets a clean-up and works much better after you are 'born again' through baptism.
u keep the conscience clean and working by regular Holy Communion and confession.
also people should repent their sins to God, it's best to do that while praying before u go to confession, so that everything is open before God.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2011, 03:39:02 PM »

Are you saying that cheating doesn't hurt anyone else? Maybe the person will deserve a good swift kick in the toches, but the poor spouse that has to live with that. Vows are serious and there should be no excuse for betraying them.

I agree i think its minging BUT if someone has married a cheat then the sooner the better you know??
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2011, 03:39:17 PM »

Are you saying that cheating doesn't hurt anyone else? Maybe the person will deserve a good swift kick in the toches, but the poor spouse that has to live with that. Vows are serious and there should be no excuse for betraying them.

Yo Orthodox correct me if I am wrong, I have only paid attention to one Orthodox wedding (attended one since inquiring), but there ain't no vows per se?

Only seen it performed once and I recall waiting for something of the like to happen and nothing.

Not picking on you IsmiLiora or being "nerdy", I just want to get my facts straight or if there are different traditions.
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You are being nerdy, but whatevz.

And an answer would be good, since I don't know what my Orthodox wedding will be like yet. (That won't be for a while, though...baptism and chrismation are our biggest concerns right now during our meetings with Fr. X.) I only know a few vague things about it right now.
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2011, 03:41:01 PM »

u can start really generally, eg. i tend to take revenge on people (the prawns incident) instead of forgiving them, i tend to lie when i am scared and i love hearing juicy gossip so i can feel proud that i am better than other people. (just making up some examples.)
then the priest can say if he needs more details.

i am surprised someone said confession may take 5 - 10 mins, mine has never been that short!
maybe i am rli bad!  Shocked
in some churches is there a little room u go into?
in our church people confess at the back of the church when everyone has gone out of the church.
so we can see them but we can't hear them.

if u r embarrassed for others to see u weeping tears of repentance and getting emotional (i am only half joking!) u can ask to go somewhere more private.
confession makes more sense after someone has been baptised, then the 'bad' things feel more bad and the 'good' things more good. yr conscience gets a clean-up and works much better after you are 'born again' through baptism.
u keep the conscience clean and working by regular Holy Communion and confession.
also people should repent their sins to God, it's best to do that while praying before u go to confession, so that everything is open before God.

I love your humour its kind of funny but with a sting in it lolOl
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2011, 03:42:04 PM »

No not if you have a good reason for doing the things you did.

Even the law recognises that.
If you shoot someone who is trying to kill you then its self defense but if you just shoot someone then its murder or manslaughter
It's still a case of admitting to your own behaviour. "I shot and killed a man."
Priest: "Tell me more" (this is likely one of those cases where he will ask for more details!)
Now you fill him in.
A good priest will help you work through all of the issues that arise. A decent healthy person will be troubled by this event and will need healing. Perhaps it isn't a crime, that's for the courts to decide. But our faith is about becoming whole and healthy people as God created us to be.

You see, Poppy, the word "sin", especially in Orthodoxy, really has two meanings:
Sin(1) might better be "sinfulness"; Sin(2) is "wrongdoing". Sin(1) is the disease that leads to death, whereas sin(2) is the symptoms of that disease. We want God to heal us of our sinful condition (i.e. sin1). As that happens, the symptoms begin to fade away. However, sometimes you do indeed need to deal with some symptoms - sort of a first aid situation - in order for the real healing to begin or continue.

Is this making any sense, or am I just starting to ramble??
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2011, 03:44:25 PM »

orthonorm,

Right, no vows. Back before I got married I did a bit of research and some people made a big deal about this. I can't remember why in particular, other than it being a supposedly western concept.
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2011, 03:48:50 PM »

No not if you have a good reason for doing the things you did.

Even the law recognises that.
If you shoot someone who is trying to kill you then its self defense but if you just shoot someone then its murder or manslaughter
It's still a case of admitting to your own behaviour. "I shot and killed a man."
Priest: "Tell me more" (this is likely one of those cases where he will ask for more details!)
Now you fill him in.
A good priest will help you work through all of the issues that arise. A decent healthy person will be troubled by this event and will need healing. Perhaps it isn't a crime, that's for the courts to decide. But our faith is about becoming whole and healthy people as God created us to be.

You see, Poppy, the word "sin", especially in Orthodoxy, really has two meanings:
Sin(1) might better be "sinfulness"; Sin(2) is "wrongdoing". Sin(1) is the disease that leads to death, whereas sin(2) is the symptoms of that disease. We want God to heal us of our sinful condition (i.e. sin1). As that happens, the symptoms begin to fade away. However, sometimes you do indeed need to deal with some symptoms - sort of a first aid situation - in order for the real healing to begin or continue.

Is this making any sense, or am I just starting to ramble??

Nope it makes sense.

Whole and healthy....well thats another issue. To me....and from what i understand from Christianity is that whole and healthy is when you are congruent with who you are and what your doing. God punished people for not doing things in faith.... like doing something but not being convinced in there heart of the thing theyre doing.....really they wanted to be doing something else. (pls dont make me go find the story) so they wasn't acting out of faith.....so what they did and what they wanted to do was two different things.

When who people are and what they say and do and how they are all matches then that person is happier with themself and secure and then nothing in them is working against themself.
Like when people don't like themself....that would be unhealthy and working against yourself.....a good example.
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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2011, 04:09:16 PM »

Whole and healthy....well thats another issue. To me....and from what i understand from Christianity is that whole and healthy is when you are congruent with who you are and what your doing.
Only if by "who you are" means "who God created you to be". Be careful with the "what you're doing" part: think of the drunk driver who says "I'm fine - I should know how drunk I am." We often don't see ourselves as we are, or our actions as others see them.

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Good to know. Plus, my priest is always telling us how to behave, so it should be nothing new.  laugh
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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2011, 04:20:17 PM »

by being there u indicate yr consent.

The freedom/consent thing was the part that I found funny. Like people really had much of a choice all those centuries that they did arranged marriages. But I'm going wildly off topic here...
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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2011, 04:23:11 PM »

We often don't see ourselves as we are, or our actions as others see them.

I'd say that's pretty much a given. We hardly ever see ourselves as we really are or our actions as they affect others. We can rationalize anything. "Oh well, it really wasn't that bad, and it made me feel better." Confession makes us "see ourselves as others see us" and own up to it. Very little room to wiggle out of it to make ourselves feel better.

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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2011, 04:33:23 PM »

We often don't see ourselves as we are, or our actions as others see them.

I'd say that's pretty much a given. We hardly ever see ourselves as we really are or our actions as they affect others. We can rationalize anything. "Oh well, it really wasn't that bad, and it made me feel better." Confession makes us "see ourselves as others see us" and own up to it. Very little room to wiggle out of it to make ourselves feel better.



I agree we hardly see ourself as we really are BUT i think allot of that is because think thats indicative of ppl who can't be honest about themself. Like even in the smallest example its obvious how hard it is for ppl to even say sorry properly.
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I agree we hardly see ourself as we really are BUT i think allot of that is because think thats indicative of ppl who can't be honest about themself. Like even in the smallest example its obvious how hard it is for ppl to even say sorry properly.

Often it's because we like to think well of ourselves - it's more comfortable for us that way. It removes uncertainty and any impetus to actually do the hard unglamorous work of becoming the person God meant us to be.
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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2011, 04:46:05 PM »

I agree we hardly see ourself as we really are BUT i think allot of that is because think thats indicative of ppl who can't be honest about themself. Like even in the smallest example its obvious how hard it is for ppl to even say sorry properly.

Often it's because we like to think well of ourselves - it's more comfortable for us that way. It removes uncertainty and any impetus to actually do the hard unglamorous work of becoming the person God meant us to be.

Yeah i kind of agree but why is that??? We all like to think well of ourself, i do too but not to the exclusion of knowing the whole of what im like. The crappy ways i am as well. People can think well of themself even when they admit to being the good and bad all together because they know that the whole of humanity is like that as well....good and bad together.

The reason i think people hate to look at what they are really like....good AND bad....and admit it.... it because of the rank way that they was brought up, usually with too strict and nonsensicle rules that squashed them and made them pathetic people pleasers. Im glad i wasn't brought up with parents i really am. I think most parents follow like a tonne of lost a dreary sheep because they feel they have to do as everyone else has done in their family or society because otherwise they will be caned for being different and having an origonal thought!!!! That where i think the problem comes from. People are SOOOOO scared of being wrong or being disapproved of that they lie and wont admit when they are wrong because the meaning of "being wrong" for them.... in their past..... has been way too heavy for a kid to take.

It screws ppl up.
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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2011, 04:48:29 PM »

You see, Poppy, the word "sin", especially in Orthodoxy, really has two meanings:
Sin(1) might better be "sinfulness"; Sin(2) is "wrongdoing". Sin(1) is the disease that leads to death, whereas sin(2) is the symptoms of that disease. We want God to heal us of our sinful condition (i.e. sin1). As that happens, the symptoms begin to fade away. However, sometimes you do indeed need to deal with some symptoms - sort of a first aid situation - in order for the real healing to begin or continue.

Is this making any sense, or am I just starting to ramble??

It's kind of a ctach 22. Sin (1) causes us to sin(2). When we sin (2), we place ourselves under bondage or strengthen our bondage to sin(1). Biblically speaking, We need God to deal with both because both are a problem.
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Yeah i kind of agree but why is that??? We all like to think well of ourself, i do too but not to the exclusion of knowing the whole of what im like. The crappy ways i am as well. People can think well of themself even when they admit to being the good and bad all together because they know that the whole of humanity is like that as well....good and bad together.

The reason i think people hate to look at what they are really like....good AND bad....and admit it.... it because of the rank way that they was brought up, usually with too strict and nonsensicle rules that squashed them and made them pathetic people pleasers. Im glad i wasn't brought up with parents i really am. I think most parents follow like a tonne of lost a dreary sheep because they feel they have to do as everyone else has done in their family or society because otherwise they will be caned for being different and having an origonal thought!!!! That where i think the problem comes from. People are SOOOOO scared of being wrong or being disapproved of that they lie and wont admit when they are wrong because the meaning of "being wrong" for them.... in their past..... has been way too heavy for a kid to take.

It screws ppl up.

Got to admit that is a total 180 from my experience/observation. Most folks I encounter seem to be pretty much self-centered narcissists who don't give a toss about anyone else. The only rule they have is to take care of and please themselves, no matter who gets hurt along the way.
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Bogdan and everyone,

I think this has been touched on before, but it is common for those received through Baptism to do a life confession, since Baptism is for the remission of all prior sins?

Good question. I was received by Chrismation, but I know people who were received by baptism and they still made a confession.

I never thought about it that way before though. Maybe there isn't a necessity but it's more for guidance and to get an idea of what the person struggles with? If a person struggles with, say, suicidal thoughts or some other serious thing, it would be good for the priest to know that right away.

But you're right, baptism is an absolutely clean slate, so I imagine it's more for pastoral reasons than anything else.

The same probably goes for giving absolution before you have even been received, which happened to me.
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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2011, 06:56:14 PM »

You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).
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Most priests have hours when they are at the church office. You may try calling the priest and asking if you can have more time. Confession "by appointment" is permitted in some parishes as needed. I've had to do that on occasion. Don't be afraid, confession is good for you.  angel
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You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

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You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

Can you plead the 5th in the states?? Does that work with yr priest?? haha...

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You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

Can you plead the 5th in the states?? Does that work with yr priest?? haha...

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You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

Can you plead the 5th in the states?? Does that work with yr priest?? haha...

He IS a Priest.

What does THAT mean?? "He IS a Priest"??

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You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

Can you plead the 5th in the states?? Does that work with yr priest?? haha...

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What does THAT mean?? "He IS a Priest"??



Michal is implying that whilst a layperson has someone they call "my priest" (the priest of their parish) the priest himself doesn't, because he is the priest of his own parish - therefore the question "does that work for yr priest" isn't appropriate.

However, a priest does go to a confessor (could be another priest, or a bishop, or a monastic) to receive the Sacrament of Confession himself, so your question is not inappropriate. It's just we don't usually talk about priest having "a priest" in the same way that a layperson does - though he will have a confessor.


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If we are going to get nerdy, not all Priests have the "falculty" to hear confessions.
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2011, 02:55:55 PM »

^  nor do all priests have the blessing to hear confessions.  i for one do not (yet)
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^  nor do all priests have the blessing to hear confessions.  i for one do not (yet)

Is blessing more appropriate to use than falculty? Or are they one in the same or the latter the "result" of the former?
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^  nor do all priests have the blessing to hear confessions.  i for one do not (yet)
I remember asking my priest about this, but isn't there a period of time that you have to be a priest before you have the blessing? Doesn't that mean that you can't hear any confessions at all? What happens, in that case, for the parishoners? Do they have to go somewhere else?

Sorry, so many questions. My priest talked specifically about our church and surrounding churches, but I would like to know how it generally applies throughout the GOA.
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This is a great article on confession in general:

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Well , for a bad sinner there are 2 possibilities.

One is Old Law that recommends stonning as a way to erase sins. Beside that with Old law destination is Hell so no chance for this. I can not understand why Protestantism went from New Law to Old Law at erasing sins or from confession to blood atonement that has no big power, anyhow one of many mistakes.

That makes confession from New Law a breeeze. The best part is that New Law opens the gates of Heaven through baptism. So don't worry. Speak with your Priest about your concerns. The only problem would be if the man confessing will keep willingly a sin not confessed. If you don't remember the sin NO PROBLEM. One woman went to confession and one monk saw sins exiting from her as snakes. However he saw a big snake trying to exit, again and again however the woman could not confess it and so the other snakes eneterd back to her. So I don't know. Try to say the sins without hidding.
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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2011, 05:31:04 PM »

Well , for a bad sinner there are 2 possibilities.

One is Old Law that recommends stonning as a way to erase sins. Beside that with Old law destination is Hell so no chance for this. I can not understand why Protestantism went from New Law to Old Law at erasing sins or from confession to blood atonement that has no big power, anyhow one of many mistakes.

That makes confession from New Law a breeeze. The best part is that New Law opens the gates of Heaven through baptism. So don't worry. Speak with your Priest about your concerns. The only problem would be if the man confessing will keep willingly a sin not confessed. If you don't remember the sin NO PROBLEM. One woman went to confession and one monk saw sins exiting from her as snakes. However he saw a big snake trying to exit, again and again however the woman could not confess it and so the other snakes eneterd back to her. So I don't know. Try to say the sins without hidding.

Yeah that monk probably needs to stay off the red bull lolOl

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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2011, 05:52:47 PM »

You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

Can you plead the 5th in the states?? Does that work with yr priest?? haha...

He IS a Priest.

What does THAT mean?? "He IS a Priest"??



Michal is implying that whilst a layperson has someone they call "my priest" (the priest of their parish) the priest himself doesn't, because he is the priest of his own parish - therefore the question "does that work for yr priest" isn't appropriate.

However, a priest does go to a confessor (could be another priest, or a bishop, or a monastic) to receive the Sacrament of Confession himself, so your question is not inappropriate. It's just we don't usually talk about priest having "a priest" in the same way that a layperson does - though he will have a confessor.




Ok i should have said "with" your priest
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You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

Can you plead the 5th in the states?? Does that work with yr priest?? haha...

He IS a Priest.

What does THAT mean?? "He IS a Priest"??



Michal is implying that whilst a layperson has someone they call "my priest" (the priest of their parish) the priest himself doesn't, because he is the priest of his own parish - therefore the question "does that work for yr priest" isn't appropriate.

However, a priest does go to a confessor (could be another priest, or a bishop, or a monastic) to receive the Sacrament of Confession himself, so your question is not inappropriate. It's just we don't usually talk about priest having "a priest" in the same way that a layperson does - though he will have a confessor.




Ok i should have said "with" your priest

I didn't explain myself very well (after just reading over my last post  Undecided)

You said "does that work with yr priest?" to serb1389.

serb1389 is a priest, so therefore within his own parish he doesn't "have a priest" - because within a parish there is one congregation, one altar, one presiding celebrant, and that celebrant is the priest, and in serb1389's parish, that is serb1389 himself.

That doesn't take away from your question, however. It was just a bit of pedantry over the way you worded it (unnecessary pedantry in my view). I then went on to say that all priests will have a confessor, to whom they confess their own sins. So you could have said: "does that work with yr confessor?" to serb1389 without getting pulled up on it. But maybe someone would have found something else to pull you up on instead  Tongue These are forums after all: if there is a hair to be split, it will be split.
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« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2011, 07:11:17 PM »

You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

Can you plead the 5th in the states?? Does that work with yr priest?? haha...

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What does THAT mean?? "He IS a Priest"??



Michal is implying that whilst a layperson has someone they call "my priest" (the priest of their parish) the priest himself doesn't, because he is the priest of his own parish - therefore the question "does that work for yr priest" isn't appropriate.

However, a priest does go to a confessor (could be another priest, or a bishop, or a monastic) to receive the Sacrament of Confession himself, so your question is not inappropriate. It's just we don't usually talk about priest having "a priest" in the same way that a layperson does - though he will have a confessor.




Ok i should have said "with" your priest

I didn't explain myself very well (after just reading over my last post  Undecided)

You said "does that work with yr priest?" to serb1389.

serb1389 is a priest, so therefore within his own parish he doesn't "have a priest" - because within a parish there is one congregation, one altar, one presiding celebrant, and that celebrant is the priest, and in serb1389's parish, that is serb1389 himself.

That doesn't take away from your question, however. It was just a bit of pedantry over the way you worded it (unnecessary pedantry in my view). I then went on to say that all priests will have a confessor, to whom they confess their own sins. So you could have said: "does that work with yr confessor?" to serb1389 without getting pulled up on it. But maybe someone would have found something else to pull you up on instead  Tongue These are forums after all: if there is a hair to be split, it will be split.

For the record, I was trying to be funny.   Grin Grin
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^  nor do all priests have the blessing to hear confessions.  i for one do not (yet)

Is blessing more appropriate to use than falculty? Or are they one in the same or the latter the "result" of the former?

to be honest, I would separate them out.  Priests who have a blessing don't necessary have the faculty, and vice-versa. 
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^  nor do all priests have the blessing to hear confessions.  i for one do not (yet)
I remember asking my priest about this, but isn't there a period of time that you have to be a priest before you have the blessing?

In the GOA yes. , usually 5-10 years is the norm/average i've seen. For the serbian church (in general) no.  These are the only 2 I can attest to. 

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yes, that means I cannot offer absolution.  If someone tells me something in private, that is one thing, but it is not the sacrament of confession. 

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What happens, in that case, for the parishoners? Do they have to go somewhere else?

I'm at a fairly large church where i'm the assistant.  So the head priest has the blessing to offer confession, so whenever anyone needs to go, they go to him.  If I were in a church by myself usually the bishop would take care of this before I go to that church (the blessing). 

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Sorry, so many questions. My priest talked specifically about our church and surrounding churches, but I would like to know how it generally applies throughout the GOA.

In general, as I said above, you have to wait 5-10 years to receive this blessing (for confession).  The bishop will then make you an "exomologos" or "confessor" giving you the right/blessing to offer confession/absolution.

As it stands right now, all I can do is listen to people & point them to the proistamenos. 
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Destination wasn't hell under old law because Abraham was under old law and he was full of faith and so God and Abraham were tight.

No, I think I know what I am saying. Old Law is so bad compared with New Law that even Abraham while being closer to God in life ended in Hell for hundreds of years until Jesus rescued and baptised him. You need to read Gospel of Nicodemus the descent of Christ into Hell and see who is he meeting there.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/gospelnicodemus.html

This is why Jesus is named Savior. because before him with Old Law Adam, Abaraham, King david, isaiah and everyone beside Enoch and Elijah and maybe Moses probably ended in Hell. People don't take seriously this:
JN 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!
Born of water and spirit means baptism. So a possible interpretation is NO BAPTISM NO HEAVEN.Who did baptize Abraham before Jesus descended into Hell?

And no HEAVEN does not mean HELL, I need to correct this since for example the gentle will inherit the Earth and this may be tru even if not being baptized.

So again because there was no baptism, people would generally not be able to make it to Heaven AGAIN SEE JOHN 3:3 or 3:5. And we see in Gospel of Nicodemus Adam, seth, King david Isaiah being in Hell. And they were close to God.
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If OLd Law would be bycicle, new Law would be like more than the newest jet plane.

If someone does a lot of training with bycicle like having a really hard life program a Spartane life program and is and is a vegan he can not go 8000 miles in 3 days. he can not. Even if you see him running 3 hours every day. Even if you are impressed with running 3 hours a day, with a true disicpline and wisdom, a bycicle in the end is a bycicle and 3000 miles is 3000 miles and even Solomon ended in Hell. Same with Abraham, even if he did so much for humanity there was no Jet Plane or baptism if you will and Heaven remained out of his reach. Again JN 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God! Born of water and spirit means baptism.  NOW IMAGINE PROTESTANTISM GOING TO BYCICLE FROM MORE THAN JET PLANE.
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« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2011, 04:03:42 AM »

You should always be honest.  But some details are better left unsaid.  If the priest wants to know, he'll ask.  If you arn't comfortable saying something, tell the priest.  Those are the basics I think we can all agree on.  (I hope).

Can you plead the 5th in the states?? Does that work with yr priest?? haha...

He IS a Priest.

What does THAT mean?? "He IS a Priest"??



Michal is implying that whilst a layperson has someone they call "my priest" (the priest of their parish) the priest himself doesn't, because he is the priest of his own parish - therefore the question "does that work for yr priest" isn't appropriate.

However, a priest does go to a confessor (could be another priest, or a bishop, or a monastic) to receive the Sacrament of Confession himself, so your question is not inappropriate. It's just we don't usually talk about priest having "a priest" in the same way that a layperson does - though he will have a confessor.




Ok i should have said "with" your priest

I didn't explain myself very well (after just reading over my last post  Undecided)

You said "does that work with yr priest?" to serb1389.

serb1389 is a priest, so therefore within his own parish he doesn't "have a priest" - because within a parish there is one congregation, one altar, one presiding celebrant, and that celebrant is the priest, and in serb1389's parish, that is serb1389 himself.

That doesn't take away from your question, however. It was just a bit of pedantry over the way you worded it (unnecessary pedantry in my view). I then went on to say that all priests will have a confessor, to whom they confess their own sins. So you could have said: "does that work with yr confessor?" to serb1389 without getting pulled up on it. But maybe someone would have found something else to pull you up on instead  Tongue These are forums after all: if there is a hair to be split, it will be split.

Ok, i didn't know serb is a priest, now i get it.

Would have been shorter to say, serb is a priest ^.-
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« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2011, 04:12:00 AM »

Destination wasn't hell under old law because Abraham was under old law and he was full of faith and so God and Abraham were tight.

No, I think I know what I am saying. Old Law is so bad compared with New Law that even Abraham while being closer to God in life ended in Hell for hundreds of years until Jesus rescued and baptised him. You need to read Gospel of Nicodemus the descent of Christ into Hell and see who is he meeting there.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/gospelnicodemus.html

This is why Jesus is named Savior. because before him with Old Law Adam, Abaraham, King david, isaiah and everyone beside Enoch and Elijah and maybe Moses probably ended in Hell. People don't take seriously this:
JN 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!
Born of water and spirit means baptism. So a possible interpretation is NO BAPTISM NO HEAVEN.Who did baptize Abraham before Jesus descended into Hell?

And no HEAVEN does not mean HELL, I need to correct this since for example the gentle will inherit the Earth and this may be tru even if not being baptized.

So again because there was no baptism, people would generally not be able to make it to Heaven AGAIN SEE JOHN 3:3 or 3:5. And we see in Gospel of Nicodemus Adam, seth, King david Isaiah being in Hell. And they were close to God.

Ok so what your saying is not everyone ends up in hell and not everyone needs to be baptised, thanks
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« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2011, 04:24:02 AM »

If OLd Law would be bycicle, new Law would be like more than the newest jet plane.


If Jesus fullfilled the law then it would be more like
old law = bycicle
new law = Suzuki Hayabusa: 248 mph (397 km/h) 1,340 cc, 4-stroke, four cylinder, liquid cooled, DOHC, 16 valves. top speed 248 mph
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« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2011, 08:50:38 AM »

In my understanding if you want Heaven you need to be baptized.
JN 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God!
In my understanding Kingdom of God = heaven. Born of water and spirit = baptism.

Before Jesus, Enoch and Elijah did go neither in Hell and I believe in front of Garden of Heaven. So unless you are like them....
In the end judgement belongs to God.
However looking into wikipedia at Old Law this is where people of Old Law believe TODAY they go after death Actually translated is like this good or bad , for people of Old Law destination = Hell named by them Sheol. The poeople without ANY Law like hinduism, budhism that are sorcery I believe are in the worst parts of Hell.
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Sheol ( /ˈʃiː.oʊl/ sh-ohl or /ˈʃiː.əl/ sh-əl; Hebrew שְׁאוֹל Šʾôl) is the "grave", "pit", or "abyss" in Hebrew.[1][2] She'ol[3] is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures. It is a place of darkness to which all dead go, regardless of the moral choices made in life, and where they are "removed from the light of God" (see the Book of Job). In the Tanakh sheol is the common destination of both the righteous and the unrighteous flesh, as recounted in Ecclesiastes
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This is how ancient religion saw Hell like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-VlJnDvuw and where NON BAPTIZED people may end until last judgement when with exception of meek, gentle and some categories including aborted babies, there are chances for them to get into fire at last judgement. Aborted babies end in a very good part of Hell where they are not tormented and they are playing, however it is not heaven and this is why a monk said, if somebody wants to kill a child of his own,he should choose a baptized one not an unborn one. Abortion and grave sins like fornication can be forgiven and erased through confession. Blood atonement while destructive has no or little power. Hell is not equal. There is the worst part for sorcerers like hindu, Budhism, yoga and Eastern religions where to the worst enemy we should not allow to go there. This part it is named Tartarus. Then there is a very very very bad part with different punishments then there are good parts like for aborted babies.

So it is very important to get it right and into Heaven from first place.
That may be :
1.Eastern Orthodox Church with baptism, Holy Communion, Confession
2.prayer and good deeds
3.fasting
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This is the story about aborted not baptized babies probably in Hell. Anyhow looks like the Roman Catholic Thomas Aquinass ended there. http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/another_champion_of_abortion_becomes_defender_of_life_the_story_of_stojan_adasevic/
This is an orthodox icon of aborted babies and they are depicted being thrown into Hell:


The idea is that even without sins is so hard to make it to Heaven without BAPTISM. Neither unborn children don't make it that did not live one day.Anyhow the sin of abortion is erased through confession.
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Aquinass

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Before Jesus, Enoch and Elijah did go neither in Hell and I believe in front of Garden of Heaven. So unless you are like them....
In the end judgement belongs to God.


Thanks. And God is forgiving, mercifull, king, loving, slow to anger..... someone that people shouldnt be scared of so, its all good then ^_^
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Darn convert forum. //:=) I have the most awesomest follow up. But we are supposed to be serious here folks.
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The idea is that even without sins is so hard to make it to Heaven without BAPTISM. Neither unborn children don't make it that did not live one day.Anyhow the sin of abortion is erased through confession.

Ever heard of St. Dismas?
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« Reply #71 on: August 12, 2011, 08:11:12 PM »

Gospel of Nicodemus tells that he was baptized by jesus after his death. Not only him even a muslim on the deadbed became christian by asking for Jesus to come and Jesus did cokme and I don't know about conversation however he believed everything Jesus told him and the former muslim was sent to heaven.
So sure, jesus can baptize after someone departs. So families with departed not baptized members can pray to jesus to baptize these members and to give them Holy Communion and to forgive them of their sins.

When you pray is important to add other to your prayer so it becomes more powerfull. As a prayer:
Dear God, please force all non baptized people from my family to get baptized and give them Holy Communion forb eternal life. Please baptize all non baptized people and give Holy Communion to every man that did not take it in a good manner. Please save me and my family and s much people as possible, withouit pain and anger. Please give everybody waht you know he/she needs for all eternity without pain or anger. Amen.
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« Reply #72 on: August 12, 2011, 08:17:44 PM »

People asking for Jesus on their deadbed and being saved or rezolved like the thief on the cross that "stole" Heaven ,happen even in modern times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVi1GAHrILI&feature=related

So if sick angels come on the dead bed, ask for Jesus to come right away. Also to your favorite saints and Saint Mary. As you see in the movie above works. I know many stories about this working.
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« Reply #73 on: August 12, 2011, 09:02:09 PM »

I have to say with my first confession, at first I brought a really long list.. so he skimmed through it but told me he didn't want me to read all of it.  I tried to compile as much as possible of everything I've ever done wrong over my entire life.  He made me understand that the point of confession is for it to come from your heart, so he asked me to just confess whatever was weighing on me at the time.  If I felt like I forgot something, don't worry about it -- because God knows I've been dwelling on it for awhile, especially after I converted. 

He didn't want me to just read from a list, but I think this was also partially because my priest is an older man and he needs help standing up for a long time.  I would say there is no right or wrong way to do confession..

My list was 4 pages long, I tried to get in everything under the 10 Commandments and the Beatitudes.  Undecided
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« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2011, 12:24:06 AM »

This book has at the end a sample confession: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385468148/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0060630175&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1V2NZAFHJKAGPRXABAMM

Basically says:
Command one. Love your neighbour like yourself. I did not do that.
Command two. Love God from all your hearth. I did not do that.
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Yes the important thing may be not to keep a sin hidden since you are confessing to God and angels need this, you saying the sins, as to erase your sins. The sins you have usually are bothering you somehow so say these sins.

As always ask your copnfessor about ANY question.
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« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2011, 05:46:47 AM »

But God makes exceptions for people as well
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Gospel of Nicodemus tells that he was baptized by jesus after his death.

That's the great reason why it's not in the canon and should be avoided.
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« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2011, 11:13:55 AM »


Yeah that monk probably needs to stay off the red bull lolOl


Poppy, in reference to your other thread, can you please translate lolOl?
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Yeah that monk probably needs to stay off the red bull lolOl


Poppy, in reference to your other thread, can you please translate lolOl?

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One woman went to confession and one monk saw sins exiting from her as snakes. However he saw a big snake trying to exit, again and again however the woman could not confess it and so the other snakes eneterd back to her.

sounds like he was definitely on something.....
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« Reply #79 on: August 14, 2011, 05:13:27 PM »

red bull is an 'energy' drink high in sugar and caffeine commonly drunk in uk.
it tastes rank (bad) and rots yr teeth, but if u mix it with alcohol you get lots of energy to do silly things that u wish u hadn't!
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if u take too much u can get quite manic and say extreme things.
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« Reply #80 on: August 14, 2011, 05:20:26 PM »

tastes nice i had some today perk me up
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« Reply #81 on: August 14, 2011, 05:29:46 PM »

hope u brushed yr teeth after!
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« Reply #82 on: August 14, 2011, 05:36:37 PM »

straw i drink it throught a straw

if you dont and you brush your teeth straight after then you just brush the sugar up under your gums.....bad bad

you have to just chew gum and neutralise it then clean them like 15 minutes later
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If I say "impure images" for pornography, or similar, is that OK?
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I just wanted to thank you, Serb1389 (Forgive me, Father, I don't know your name! Grin) for answering my question. I'd never even thought of a delay in being able to give absolution. But so I guess the priest can still listen to your issues and provide guidance, which is really a large part of confession (not that the absolution is unimportant).
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If I say "impure images" for pornography, or similar, is that OK?
P.S. This question is hypothetical.

it's really up to the priest.  If you want my advice:  be as honest as possible.  Christ already knows, you might as well talk to Him about it. 
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I just wanted to thank you, Serb1389 (Forgive me, Father, I don't know your name! Grin) for answering my question. I'd never even thought of a delay in being able to give absolution. But so I guess the priest can still listen to your issues and provide guidance, which is really a large part of confession (not that the absolution is unimportant).

Bingo.  & you're welcome.  The way that I put it to people is:  I can help you with just about anything.  However some things....just need the grace of the Holy Spirit.  For those things, you need to go to confession & receive that grace.  That's just the way it is. 
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There are different points of view on confession among the Orthodox, AFAIK.

I was at one point struck by a line from the journals of Fr. Alexander Schmemann, former Dean of St. Vladimir Orthodox seminary in Crestwood, N.Y. and one of the most prominent 20th century Orthodox theologians-evangelists. He wrote that if it were up to him, he would simply ABOLISH individual confessions. In his opinion, they are almost always fake, i.e. the penitent is not really a penitent but, rather, a person who fancies the priest as a psychological therapist-comforter, and him/herself as a patient who needs therapy. SO, the sad result is, these "patients" tell their priests long stories where the principal plot is not sin but the so-called "conditions" of their souls: "I am intemperate, angry, lustful, dishonest, injurious to people, lazy, self-indulging, neglectful in prayer," etc. Usually, the priest can do nothing about this, so the whole procedure becomes a total waste of time and the priest might well become distracted from his real duty. Fr. Alexander further writes that one should go to confession ONLY in the case he or she committed A CLEAR, REAL SIN.
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Thanks, serb1389. One of the previous posts was confusing
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There are different points of view on confession among the Orthodox, AFAIK.

I was at one point struck by a line from the journals of Fr. Alexander Schmemann, former Dean of St. Vladimir Orthodox seminary in Crestwood, N.Y. and one of the most prominent 20th century Orthodox theologians-evangelists. He wrote that if it were up to him, he would simply ABOLISH individual confessions. In his opinion, they are almost always fake, i.e. the penitent is not really a penitent but, rather, a person who fancies the priest as a psychological therapist-comforter, and him/herself as a patient who needs therapy. SO, the sad result is, these "patients" tell their priests long stories where the principal plot is not sin but the so-called "conditions" of their souls: "I am intemperate, angry, lustful, dishonest, injurious to people, lazy, self-indulging, neglectful in prayer," etc. Usually, the priest can do nothing about this, so the whole procedure becomes a total waste of time and the priest might well become distracted from his real duty. Fr. Alexander further writes that one should go to confession ONLY in the case he or she committed A CLEAR, REAL SIN.

Wouldn't being lustful, dishonest, self-indulgent etc., be sinful as well as being the condition of their soul? Confessing you are a lustful person by definition means you would have to have been a bit lusty that week. I am presuming that confession happens weekly and if lust is a problem, then you wouldn't go a week without having at least one lustful thought.
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« Reply #91 on: October 09, 2011, 01:05:48 AM »

There are different points of view on confession among the Orthodox, AFAIK.

I was at one point struck by a line from the journals of Fr. Alexander Schmemann, former Dean of St. Vladimir Orthodox seminary in Crestwood, N.Y. and one of the most prominent 20th century Orthodox theologians-evangelists. He wrote that if it were up to him, he would simply ABOLISH individual confessions. In his opinion, they are almost always fake, i.e. the penitent is not really a penitent but, rather, a person who fancies the priest as a psychological therapist-comforter, and him/herself as a patient who needs therapy. SO, the sad result is, these "patients" tell their priests long stories where the principal plot is not sin but the so-called "conditions" of their souls: "I am intemperate, angry, lustful, dishonest, injurious to people, lazy, self-indulging, neglectful in prayer," etc. Usually, the priest can do nothing about this, so the whole procedure becomes a total waste of time and the priest might well become distracted from his real duty. Fr. Alexander further writes that one should go to confession ONLY in the case he or she committed A CLEAR, REAL SIN.

Perhaps Heorhij here is really saying.. that we should only confess that which we've actually done?  Not just the fact that you have a tendency towards.. a given state of mind (lustful, angry, intemperate, lazy) ...

Granted these are all sins, to be prone towards any one of thse.  But those can easily be confessed in our private prayers to God.  The priest or spiritual father the way I understand it -- is there to counsel us, when we have a problem.  If we are clearly having an issue with a particular sin.. then he can give us advise as to how to overcome it.. or at least stop repeating it as much.
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« Reply #92 on: October 09, 2011, 06:14:32 AM »

The priest or spiritual father the way I understand it -- is there to counsel us, when we have a problem.  If we are clearly having an issue with a particular sin.. then he can give us advise as to how to overcome it.. or at least stop repeating it as much.

That's the opposite to what he's saying. Using the priest as a counsellor is a waste of his time. He's only there for the confession of "A CLEAR REAL SIN" and then for absolution.
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« Reply #93 on: October 09, 2011, 06:40:41 AM »

Confessing you are a lustful person by definition means you would have to have been a bit lusty that week. I am presuming that confession happens weekly and if lust is a problem, then you wouldn't go a week without having at least one lustful thought.

Most people are probably confessing once a year, if that often.

That's the opposite to what he's saying. Using the priest as a counsellor is a waste of his time. He's only there for the confession of "A CLEAR REAL SIN" and then for absolution.

With the priest I normally confessed to, confession would generally last more than an hour, with the actual confessing and absolution parts taking maybe 3 minutes total, and the rest of the time being him counseling me.
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« Reply #94 on: October 09, 2011, 07:18:44 AM »

Confessing you are a lustful person by definition means you would have to have been a bit lusty that week. I am presuming that confession happens weekly and if lust is a problem, then you wouldn't go a week without having at least one lustful thought.

Most people are probably confessing once a year, if that often.

Most people are probably attending services once a year, if that often.
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« Reply #95 on: October 09, 2011, 08:24:03 AM »

Confessing you are a lustful person by definition means you would have to have been a bit lusty that week. I am presuming that confession happens weekly and if lust is a problem, then you wouldn't go a week without having at least one lustful thought.

Most people are probably confessing once a year, if that often.

That's the opposite to what he's saying. Using the priest as a counsellor is a waste of his time. He's only there for the confession of "A CLEAR REAL SIN" and then for absolution.

With the priest I normally confessed to, confession would generally last more than an hour, with the actual confessing and absolution parts taking maybe 3 minutes total, and the rest of the time being him counseling me.

Not that i agree with priestly confessions but if it helps you then i don't see how it can be a waste of time.
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