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« on: August 06, 2011, 07:51:25 PM »

While I was still searching through the world religions I spent a great deal of time with buddhism. During this period I came to possess a number of Buddha-statues(seven actually) and a statue of the hindu god Ganesha.
I mostly bought them because they were pretty but now when I have found Orthodoxy I have come to realize that I cannot have in my room anymore, but I am not sure what to do with them. Should I sell them or just hide them somewhere?

Also I have a dreamcatcher hanging from the ceiling. Should I also take that down?

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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 07:58:40 PM »

If you don't want them anymore, sell them on ebay!

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 08:44:25 PM »

You could dispose of them. [EDIT] That way you don't allow others don't make use of them.

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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 08:52:31 PM »

Buddha statues, I would remove somehow.

The dreamcatchers...I am always ambivalent about those. I used to own them but I've disposed of them since. I'm torn because they are truly beautiful and I wouldn't ascribe any sort of spiritual power to them. I own some jewelry with the mati (evil eye) symbol, but it's because I think the blue glass beads are pretty. Same with the Qur'anic verses I own -- they're more for the beautiful calligraphy than the verse.

I wouldn't put it near my icon corner, but I'm not sure that you should throw the dreamcatcher away if you happen to think it's beautiful and want to keep it up for an aesthetic purpose.

What I would do with certain items is that I would sit on it for a few weeks. Sometimes I would have a "weird feeling," and if I did, I would dispose of them. The jewelry and the calligraphy don't bother me, but certain other items did.

And of course, "ask your priest" is always applicable.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 09:03:52 PM »


Personally, I would get rid of all the "pagan" symbols.

I agree with Zekarja.  I wouldn't sell them....because I wouldn't want to tempt others with them, and I wouldn't want to use the money I made off them, either.
I would just pitch them.

I was once gifted a bunch of stones which had "spiritual" powers attributed to them.  Amethysts, jade, quartz, etc.  I know these are all mentioned in the Bible so I had no issues with keeping them in a bowl on my dresser.  However, when I realized that people were truly attributing all sorts of powers to these stones....I decided that by simply displaying them, I might be advertising the same thing.  They now happily are resting at the bottom of my fish aquarium!  The fish love them!  They are doing wonders for them!

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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 09:09:59 PM »

I inherited from my grandparents a very beautiful Buddha statue of brass, about 18" high.    It was brought back from Burma in the war years by one of my great uncles and my grandparents used to use it as a doorstop!!!

But there is no way I could display this in my house even as simply an art object.  So it is at the back of a cupboard and hasn't been out for 20 years or more.  
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 09:54:17 PM »

Donate them to a Buddhist temple nearby.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2011, 04:23:25 AM »

Don't some Orthodox Churches have pictures of Greek Philosophers in the entrance or on the outside, as a testament to the Logos Spermatikos?
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2011, 05:11:43 AM »

Thank you for the advices. Smiley

I think I am gonna consider the options I have the next few days, but right now I think I will probably hide away in our hoarding.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2011, 05:24:39 AM »

I think disposing them will be best. I did read several instances where Spirit of God will not visit a house having non orthodox items.
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2011, 07:47:21 AM »

Honestly, I think that simply discarding the sacred images of another tradition is a bit disrespectful and extreme. If selling them doesn't feel right to you, the most respectful thing you could do is what Jetavan suggested: donate them to a nearby temple. After all, how would we feel if we knew that someone from another tradition was throwing Orthodox icons in the trash? Donating the statues to a temple would demonstrate respect for a tradition you once admired (or perhaps still do), and would remove what you deem to be a problem from your house. Everyone's happy!
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2011, 07:53:40 AM »

Honestly, I think that simply discarding the sacred images of another tradition is a bit disrespectful and extreme. If selling them doesn't feel right to you, the most respectful thing you could do is what Jetavan suggested: donate them to a nearby temple. After all, how would we feel if we knew that someone from another tradition was throwing Orthodox icons in the trash? Donating the statues to a temple would demonstrate respect for a tradition you once admired (or perhaps still do), and would remove what you deem to be a problem from your house. Everyone's happy!

You might be right there.
I could look around but there are not many temples in Denmark and it is not sure if I will even be able to find anybody who wants them, but of course i could try Smiley
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Honestly, I think that simply discarding the sacred images of another tradition is a bit disrespectful and extreme. If selling them doesn't feel right to you, the most respectful thing you could do is what Jetavan suggested: donate them to a nearby temple. After all, how would we feel if we knew that someone from another tradition was throwing Orthodox icons in the trash? Donating the statues to a temple would demonstrate respect for a tradition you once admired (or perhaps still do), and would remove what you deem to be a problem from your house. Everyone's happy!

You might be right there.
I could look around but there are not many temples in Denmark and it is not sure if I will even be able to find anybody who wants them, but of course i could try Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2011, 09:52:05 AM »

Honestly, I think that simply discarding the sacred images of another tradition is a bit disrespectful and extreme. If selling them doesn't feel right to you, the most respectful thing you could do is what Jetavan suggested: donate them to a nearby temple. After all, how would we feel if we knew that someone from another tradition was throwing Orthodox icons in the trash? Donating the statues to a temple would demonstrate respect for a tradition you once admired (or perhaps still do), and would remove what you deem to be a problem from your house. Everyone's happy!

You might be right there.
I could look around but there are not many temples in Denmark and it is not sure if I will even be able to find anybody who wants them, but of course i could try Smiley
A university with a history or religion department might be another option.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2011, 10:02:22 AM »

Honestly, I think that simply discarding the sacred images of another tradition is a bit disrespectful and extreme. If selling them doesn't feel right to you, the most respectful thing you could do is what Jetavan suggested: donate them to a nearby temple. After all, how would we feel if we knew that someone from another tradition was throwing Orthodox icons in the trash? Donating the statues to a temple would demonstrate respect for a tradition you once admired (or perhaps still do), and would remove what you deem to be a problem from your house. Everyone's happy!

You might be right there.
I could look around but there are not many temples in Denmark and it is not sure if I will even be able to find anybody who wants them, but of course i could try Smiley
Thank you Smiley

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2011, 10:49:42 AM »

If you want to show respect for a religion that sends billion+ people to Hell, it is your option.

Bear in mind that there is particular judgmenet and last judgement. at particular judegement the everything to that point is judged. At last judgement everything to the end of the world is judged. So if you left a water well and people drink water after your death you become in better standing. If you wrote poetry against God and people lost belief while you are departed you get into worse standing. So giving these to a Budhist temple where sick angels are praised for how many years can make your situation worse. So trash is best option in my opinion. I do see that you may be attached of them and that they are a part of your life, anyhow for future I believe is best option. That remainds me of my yoga books that I need to trash.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2011, 11:14:14 AM »

If you want to show respect for a religion that sends billion+ people to Hell, it is your option.

Bear in mind that there is particular judgmenet and last judgement. at particular judegement the everything to that point is judged. At last judgement everything to the end of the world is judged. So if you left a water well and people drink water after your death you become in better standing. If you wrote poetry against God and people lost belief while you are departed you get into worse standing. So giving these to a Budhist temple where sick angels are praised for how many years can make your situation worse. So trash is best option in my opinion. I do see that you may be attached of them and that they are a part of your life, anyhow for future I believe is best option. That remainds me of my yoga books that I need to trash.

Don't worry I haven't given them away yet Smiley
Until so far I have gathered all the small statues in a box. I still need to find a place where I can place the big ones.
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I would dispose of them, for the reasons zekarja and Liza give. On the issue of showing disrespect by trashing them, then you could try a more definite form of disposing of them that would mean the statues would not be used by someone else, nor would they be covered in rubbish. After all, there is a specific way of disposing of icons (by burning) which ensures the images of Christ and His saints are not trampled upon or dirtied - it is not considered disrespectful to destroy them. I don't know what your statues are made from, but whatever they're made of I am sure there will be a method of destroying them so their elements can be returned to the earth.
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2011, 05:02:44 PM »

In Deuteronomy 12:3 it says that people shouldn't destroy sacred idols
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 05:15:21 PM »

In Deuteronomy 12:3 it says that people shouldn't destroy sacred idols

Huh?

"And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place."
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2011, 05:20:27 PM »

In Deuteronomy 12:3 it says that people shouldn't destroy sacred idols

Huh?

"And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place."

ok i was just testing  Wink

im looking for the place where it says that though....i know its there because thas why the Jews don't write the whole name of God down on paper because they can't destroy it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2011, 05:23:21 PM »

OK its verse 4 after that it says not to do the same thing to the Lord your God....destroy stuff etc...
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2011, 08:15:14 PM »

Honestly, I think that simply discarding the sacred images of another tradition is a bit disrespectful and extreme. If selling them doesn't feel right to you, the most respectful thing you could do is what Jetavan suggested: donate them to a nearby temple. After all, how would we feel if we knew that someone from another tradition was throwing Orthodox icons in the trash? Donating the statues to a temple would demonstrate respect for a tradition you once admired (or perhaps still do), and would remove what you deem to be a problem from your house. Everyone's happy!

St. Vladimir ordered all pagan idols destroyed.  He is just one of many saints who have destroyed pagan idols.  I think that people are too caught up in treating all religions equally.  When Christ was zealous for righteousness, look what he did in the Temple!  He crafted a whip and overturned the money changer's tables!  When St. Nicholas had love for the Theotokos and zeal for his faith, he punched a heresiarch in the face! 

There is a difference between someone throwing Orthodox icons in the trash and someone destroying a Buddha statue.  The Buddha statue is a representation of a false religion.  The Orthodox icons are windows into heaven.  Now, you might say that "But, Buddhists think that their religion is right!"  Well, that's true.  However, Orthodoxy isn't just something people think is true, The Orthodox Church is the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church established by the Lord God, to be the Body of Christ.  It is the truth, Buddhism has a flicker of truth, but it is greatly distorted.
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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2011, 08:18:31 PM »

Oh, and one more thing.  St. Vladimir ordered the destruction of OTHER PEOPLE'S idols.  The Jews were ordered to destroy OTHER PEOPLE'S temples and idols.  There is a legend of Abraham destroying his father's idols.  Now, even saying that destroying idols is perfectly acceptable (even encouraged), one could still argue that destroying other people's stuff is still bad.  Evidently, many saints of the Church disagree with that argument; how much more so, then, must the destruction of idols by the person who owns them, be acceptable?
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Oh, and one more thing.  St. Vladimir ordered the destruction of OTHER PEOPLE'S idols.  The Jews were ordered to destroy OTHER PEOPLE'S temples and idols.  There is a legend of Abraham destroying his father's idols.  Now, even saying that destroying idols is perfectly acceptable (even encouraged), one could still argue that destroying other people's stuff is still bad.  Evidently, many saints of the Church disagree with that argument; how much more so, then, must the destruction of idols by the person who owns them, be acceptable?

And where does this kind of thinking get us? Christians destroying Buddha statues and burning Qurans. Muslims burning Bibles and blowing up Buddha statues. And so on. There are respectful ways of dealing with the sacred objects of other traditions. You may think that an image of the man Siddhartha Gotama is an image of a demon, but I beg to differ (and I think perhaps others here would, too). This is the kind of divisiveness, intolerance and paranoia that has people turning from organized religion in droves. What would be so bad about donating these statues to a Buddhist temple? The Buddhists there might appreciate it. And if they are already in the clutches of demons Roll Eyes, then how would it do anymore harm to their already damned souls?

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2011, 09:24:58 PM »

If you want to show respect for a religion that sends billion+ people to Hell, it is your option.

Who teaches that?
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If you want to show respect for a religion that sends billion+ people to Hell, it is your option.

Do they end up above or below the smokers' department?
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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2011, 09:37:12 PM »

You could just bury the statues underground. That way no other people can get a hold of them. Heck, if someone does it's more than likely going to be an archaeologist hundreds or thousands of years from now scratching their head wondering why someone would bury buddha statues.
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Imploring her to become a ladder, down which God will descend into the world, and up which man will ascend to God,

Imploring her to drain the red sea of sanguinary passions within herself, so that man the slave can cross over to the promised land, the land of freedom.

The wise man of China admonishes my soul to be peaceful and still, and to wait for Tao to act within her. Glory be the memory of Lao-tse, the teacher and prophet of his people!

The wise man of India teaches my soul not to be afraid of suffering, but through the arduous and relentless drilling in purification and prayer to elevate herself to the One on high, who will come out to greet her and manifest to her His face and His power. Glorious be the memory of Krishna, the teacher and prophet of his people!

The royal son of India teaches my soul to empty herself completely of every seed and crop of the world, to abandon all the serpentine allurements of frail and shadowy matter, and then in vacuity, tranquillity, purity and bliss to await nirvana. Blessed be the memory of Buddha, the royal son and inexorable teacher of his people.

The thunderous wise man of Persia tells my soul that there is nothing in the world except light and darkness, and that the soul must break free from the darkness as the day does from the night. For the sons of light are conceived from the light, and the sons of darkness are conceived from darkness. Glorious be the memory of Zoroaster, the great prophet of his people!

The prophet of Israel cries out to my soul: Behold, the virgin will conceive and bear a son, whose name will be the God-man. Glorious be the memory of Isaiah, the clairvoyant prophet of my soul!

O heavenly Lord, open the hearing of my soul, lest she become deaf to the counsels of Your messenger.

Do not slay the prophets sent to you, my soul, for their graves contain not them, but those who slew them.

Wash and cleanse yourself; become tranquil amid the turbulent sea of the world, and keep within yourself the counsels of the prophets sent to you. Surrender yourself entirely to the One on high and say to the world: "I have nothing for you."

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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2011, 09:40:48 PM »

Stavros, firstly I never said that the Buddha's image is that of a demon.  I think it is more or less the image of Siddhartha, who was not a demon.  Secondly, I do not think other religions have sacred objects.  Thirdly, I am not suggesting that you go out and burn down synagogues, take a sledge hammer to Mosques, or put a stake through the Qur'an.  I am suggesting that you not support religious devotion to an idol.  Would you donate money to mosques or synagogues, or a Buddhist temple?  Would you offer to pay for a new building for them (assuming you had the money lying around)?  That is, essentially, what you are doing by donating the items to a Buddhist temple.

Again, I do not see how it is disrespectful to, in the privacy of your own home, dispose of your own property.  I am not saying you go up to a Buddhist man and say "Watch this!" as you smash the Buddha statutes.  I am saying you should dispose of idols.  As well, why would it matter if we lived in Greece or Russia?  Would living in an Orthodox society make it ok to destroy idols, while living in a multicultural society makes it wrong?  Is right and wrong determined by where you are?  If so, it isn't really right and wrong, but merely what society expects of you - and since when did the Church care about societal expectations?  Certainly the pagans of Russia didn't expect St. Vladimir to order the destruction of their idols, yet he did so nonetheless.  I do not see why it is disrespectful to dispose of idols if you aren't doing so with the goal of upsetting Buddhists.
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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2011, 09:48:19 PM »

Indeed, and we must also remember St. Vladimir lived under a form of causa regio eius religio. His subjects would have understood this implicitly even as they cursed his name.
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Of course, we're assuming that a statue is an "idol".
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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2011, 01:31:32 AM »

personally, i like the idea of batting practice
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2011, 01:36:27 AM »

Personally, I would get rid of all the "pagan" symbols.

I agree with Zekarja.  I wouldn't sell them....because I wouldn't want to tempt others with them, and I wouldn't want to use the money I made off them, either.
I would just pitch them.

More agreement here and with James' post.  
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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2011, 01:41:18 AM »

I have a friend, a principal of a Catholic school.    With the post Vatican II distaste for some of the traditional statues in the classrooms, they were not sure how to dispose of them..... So they put them in sacks and battered them to death with baseball bats.

I thought it was a bit grotesque.  Sad
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2011, 01:49:32 AM »

True, but those were presumably Christian statues.   
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2011, 02:15:59 AM »

I think disposing them will be best. I did read several instances where Spirit of God will not visit a house having non orthodox items.
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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2011, 07:43:25 AM »

Stavros, firstly I never said that the Buddha's image is that of a demon.  I think it is more or less the image of Siddhartha, who was not a demon.  Secondly, I do not think other religions have sacred objects.  Thirdly, I am not suggesting that you go out and burn down synagogues, take a sledge hammer to Mosques, or put a stake through the Qur'an.  I am suggesting that you not support religious devotion to an idol.  Would you donate money to mosques or synagogues, or a Buddhist temple?  Would you offer to pay for a new building for them (assuming you had the money lying around)?  That is, essentially, what you are doing by donating the items to a Buddhist temple.

Again, I do not see how it is disrespectful to, in the privacy of your own home, dispose of your own property.  I am not saying you go up to a Buddhist man and say "Watch this!" as you smash the Buddha statutes.  I am saying you should dispose of idols.  As well, why would it matter if we lived in Greece or Russia?  Would living in an Orthodox society make it ok to destroy idols, while living in a multicultural society makes it wrong?  Is right and wrong determined by where you are?  If so, it isn't really right and wrong, but merely what society expects of you - and since when did the Church care about societal expectations?  Certainly the pagans of Russia didn't expect St. Vladimir to order the destruction of their idols, yet he did so nonetheless.  I do not see why it is disrespectful to dispose of idols if you aren't doing so with the goal of upsetting Buddhists.

First of all, I apologize for replying as if to you only, James. I know you didn't say that Siddhartha was a demon. I should have parsed my response, as it wasn't all meant as a response to you specifically (but was also a reaction to other posts). Of course no one is suggesting that the original poster make a show of the destruction of these objects (I hope). Really, it is a matter of principle, though. I do find it a bit disconcerting how many are in support of destroying them (even going so far as to suggest using the objects for batting practice). But alas, I find many things written on OC.net to be pretty disconcerting.  laugh

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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2011, 10:49:43 AM »

I do find it a bit disconcerting how many are in support of destroying them (even going so far as to suggest using the objects for batting practice).

You have taken the opposite meaning from the intention of my post on the Catholics battering their statues into smithereens.  I wrote that I found it disturbing and grotesque.
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« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2011, 11:10:52 AM »

While I was still searching through the world religions I spent a great deal of time with buddhism. During this period I came to possess a number of Buddha-statues(seven actually) and a statue of the hindu god Ganesha.
I mostly bought them because they were pretty but now when I have found Orthodoxy I have come to realize that I cannot have in my room anymore, but I am not sure what to do with them. Should I sell them or just hide them somewhere?

Also I have a dreamcatcher hanging from the ceiling. Should I also take that down?



You can take them or mail them to a Main-Line Buddhist Temple. They will know how to dispose of them properly.
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I just don't get how it is disrespectful to throw out a statue of some god that you happen to have in your own house.

I don't know much about Buddhism, and don't care to.  However, if I had a little fat statue of Buddha, I would immediately throw it in the trash.  No qualms about it.  It's a silly statue!  It has nothing divine in it or about it.  I can't believe this politically correct mentality afforded to pagan symbols - that are in your own, private possession.  Seriously?  How are you hurting some Buddhist's feelings, if he doesn't even know anything about you owning the statue?

If I met a Buddhist on the street, I would treat him with respect, as Christ taught us to love everyone.  However, I would not perpetuate their misguided beliefs.

I'm sorry, I would just throw it in the trash right along with the kitchen scraps, and not think twice about it.

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I just don't get how it is disrespectful to throw out a statue of some god that you happen to have in your own house.

I don't know much about Buddhism, and don't care to.  However, if I had a little fat statue of Buddha, I would immediately throw it in the trash.  No qualms about it.  It's a silly statue!  It has nothing divine in it or about it.  I can't believe this politically correct mentality afforded to pagan symbols - that are in your own, private possession.  Seriously?  How are you hurting some Buddhist's feelings, if he doesn't even know anything about you owning the statue?

If I met a Buddhist on the street, I would treat him with respect, as Christ taught us to love everyone.  However, I would not perpetuate their misguided beliefs.

I'm sorry, I would just throw it in the trash right along with the kitchen scraps, and not think twice about it.


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« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2011, 11:31:17 AM »

I do find it a bit disconcerting how many are in support of destroying them (even going so far as to suggest using the objects for batting practice).

You have taken the opposite meaning from the intention of my post on the Catholics battering their statues into smithereens.  I wrote that I found it disturbing and grotesque.

Sorry for the confusion, IH. I was referring not your post but to the following post:
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