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Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« on: August 06, 2011, 02:02:00 AM »
Why does this man think that he's a Christian? Clearly, he's not. Yet he's standing in a church and giving a sermon.

I guess if he dropped all pretense, he would just have to go out and get a regular job.
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 02:07:00 AM »
I'm so glad my parents dropped out of the Presbyterian Church before I could be brought up with this nutty stuff!

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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 02:09:32 AM »
Epistemological Relativism.

Denies that symbols are connected to their archetypes.

Denies the incarnation by implying that Christ being the Image of the Father is idolatry and inaccurate.

Gets close to understanding the issues of a disconnect with mystical theology and an experience of the divine, then falls completely off the mark.
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if Christ does and says x. And someone else does and says not x and you are ever in doubt, follow Christ.

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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 02:24:43 AM »
"The source of the universe cannot become an object in the universe, not even a human being." -The Relativist in the video

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."

"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh."
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 04:51:41 AM »
I stopped listening when I saw the heinous shirt/jacket combination.

Another good reason for vestments.
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 06:40:41 AM »
Jesus could be just a mere man and his identification with divinity being unity within the Self.

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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 08:37:50 AM »
I stopped listening when I saw the heinous shirt/jacket combination.

Another good reason for vestments.
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 09:36:30 AM »
Jesus could be just a mere man and his identification with divinity being unity within the Self.

Not in this forum, He couldn't.

Tree-huggers, Gnostics and Progressive Democrats are down the hall in Room 666.

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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 10:00:55 AM »

Tree-huggers
St. Francis
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Gnostics
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and Progressive Democrats
MLK Jr.
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are down the hall in Room 666.
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 10:21:19 AM »
Er, MLK Jr. was a Republican.

60 years ago, almost all black Americans were Republicans. The Republican party was founded in 1854 as the anti-slavery party. In the 50s and 60s, the Democrat Party had rabid racists in it like George Wallace and Robert Byrd, who was then a Grand Kleagle and "Exalted Cyclops" in the Ku Klux Klan.

In the 1860s, Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery. Later, they passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.

Over the last 30 years, the Democrats have been taken over by the Marxists, who have an entirely different agenda and have convinced Black people that--like women, gays, Latinos, and the disabled--they are a much-aggrieved interest group whose interests are best served by allying themselves with the nihilistic and cynical policies of the socialists. Read Antonio Gramsci.
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2011, 10:38:30 AM »
Er, MLK Jr. was a Republican.
It's true that MLK Jr. did not affiliate himself officially with either the Democratic or the Republican Party, so saying he was "Democrat" wouldn't be correct. However, the current attempt to label him as "Republican" (as if he supported Barry Goldwater over LBJ) is disingenuous at best. The fact that African-Americans have voted Republican largely, from 1863 to the 1960s, is common knowledge, but the ol'school Republican Party is quite different from the youngin's runnin' around these days.

"The good and just society is neither the thesis of capitalism nor the antithesis of communism, but a socially conscious democracy which reconciles the truths of individualism and collectivism" (MLK Jr). That's not hard-core Republicanism.
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2011, 10:46:18 AM »
Er, MLK Jr. was a Republican.

60 years ago, almost all black Americans were Republicans. The Republican party was founded in 1854 as the anti-slavery party. In the 50s and 60s, the Democrat Party had rabid racists in it like George Wallace and Robert Byrd, who was then a KKKlansman.
FDR won the black vote for the Democrats from his time forward. King himself explicitly expressed support for democratic socialism.
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In the 1860s, Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery. Later, they passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.
Notice that Martin Luther King wasn't an activist in the 1860s. That's not to say that many Democrats in his time weren't opposed to civil rights, especially in the South, but keep in mind that Kennedy was a notable supporter of King's, and Johnson is the one who ultimately signed the Civil Rights Bill into law.
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Over the last 30 years, the Democrats have been taken over by the Marxists, who have an entirely different agenda and have convinced Black people that--like women, gays, Latinos, and the disabled--they are a much-aggrieved interest group whose interests are best served by allying themselves with the socialists. Read Antonio Gramsci.
No clue who this Grascimi fellow is, but if he conflates Marxists and democrats he only insults both.
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2011, 10:52:44 AM »
Who ever asserted that he supported Barry Goldwater?

You're the one to whom it is important that King be a "Progressive."

There's nothing wrong with being a Republican. Certainly no more so than being a Democrat. There used to be an understanding that there were issues on which "reasonable " people could disagree. 40 years of Leftist brainwashing in our schools has eradicated that.

Read up on Gramsci. He's the reason Democrats are what they are these days. Since he died in 1937, he is definitely not interested in disparaging Democrats.

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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2011, 11:05:34 AM »
You're the one to whom it is important that King be a "Progressive."
So you're saying MLK Jr. was not a "progressive"?
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2011, 01:19:35 PM »
Gentle reminder: We are getting into politics.

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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2011, 01:25:01 PM »
But Martin Luther the King wasn't a politician, he was a dreamer  ???
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2011, 01:28:02 PM »
But Martin Luther the King wasn't a politician, he was a dreamer  ???

Perhaps you did not notice that I wrote in Green?

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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2011, 01:39:08 PM »
Gentle reminder: We are getting into politics.
Sorry 'bout that. So yeah, on topic, that was a pretty terrible sermon. Although I did agree with him that God would make a rather awful genie. If you wanted otherwise, I'm not sure why you'd get into Christianity to the point of becoming a minister.
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2011, 03:03:54 PM »
That guy is a good argument for vestments... At least that way he wouldn't look slobby with three buttons unbuttoned (which, although I was never there, reminds me of a sleazy 70's lounge).


EDIT: Ohhh... I was trying to figure out how I could have any frame of reference to 70's era lounges. Mos Eisely Cantina, Han Solo.  ;D
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Re: Progressive "Christian" Sermon
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 09:58:13 AM »
I'm so glad my parents dropped out of the Presbyterian Church before I could be brought up with this nutty stuff!
To be fair, there are good teachers (as far as it goes) within the PCA and I even know a PCUSA minister who's pretty awesome.
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2011, 02:14:33 PM »
I'm so glad my parents dropped out of the Presbyterian Church before I could be brought up with this nutty stuff!
To be fair, there are good teachers (as far as it goes) within the PCA and I even know a PCUSA minister who's pretty awesome.
The more conservative Presbyterians tend to be hard-line Calvinists though, which is almost as annoying as this.
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2011, 07:05:52 PM »
Ok.
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