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« on: September 02, 2014, 02:02:10 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2014, 02:05:26 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 02:13:38 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 03:23:06 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off?  If I were them, I would just take off running until they were forced to shoot me or something. Or maybe just refuse to say what they are telling me to say. It just seems weird that they just kneel there, reciting the ISIS propaganda knowing full well that in 5 minutes their head is going to get sawed off.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 03:30:01 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off?  If I were them, I would just take off running until they were forced to shoot me or something. Or maybe just refuse to say what they are telling me to say. It just seems weird that they just kneel there, reciting the ISIS propaganda knowing full well that in 5 minutes their head is going to get sawed off.

Easy for you to say. They're probably too terrified.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 03:32:26 PM »

I'm not saying I'm brave or anything. I think I'd be too terrified to read it. I guess to simplify: why doesn't fight or flight kick in?
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2014, 03:46:19 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off?  If I were them, I would just take off running until they were forced to shoot me or something. Or maybe just refuse to say what they are telling me to say. It just seems weird that they just kneel there, reciting the ISIS propaganda knowing full well that in 5 minutes their head is going to get sawed off.

Easy for you to say. They're probably too terrified.

From a Syrian friend of mine (removed the Youtube link that was attached to the Arabic writing, since it was a graphic video; I don't know why you'd want to, but if you want to see it you can search for Youtube user "The True" who uploaded it on August 23rd):

رسالة من جندي سوري قبل استشهاده الى الجيش العربي السوري .. دولة الإسلام ( داعش ) والله لنمحيها ..‬‎ (Message from a Syrian solider to the Syrian Arab Army before his martyrdom by ISIS: "The Islamic State (Da'esh), by God we will erase it")

Her synopsis of the video: Before they killed them they told him to say “the Islamic state will remain” but rather he said the “Islamic state, wallah we are going to erase it”

Even if American journalists don't have the courage to stand up to these monsters (why would they? It's not their country that's at stake...yet), actual Syrians do. I don't know about the rest of you, but I find that very commendable and even uplifting given the circumstances.

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2014, 05:58:15 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off?  If I were them, I would just take off running until they were forced to shoot me or something. Or maybe just refuse to say what they are telling me to say. It just seems weird that they just kneel there, reciting the ISIS propaganda knowing full well that in 5 minutes their head is going to get sawed off.

Easy for you to say. They're probably too terrified.

What did Tri do after Shiny's slight offense in comparison to who what such sadists do to their prisoners. Yeah, I am not taking seriously any of his hypotheticals.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2014, 06:00:12 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off?  If I were them, I would just take off running until they were forced to shoot me or something. Or maybe just refuse to say what they are telling me to say. It just seems weird that they just kneel there, reciting the ISIS propaganda knowing full well that in 5 minutes their head is going to get sawed off.

Easy for you to say. They're probably too terrified.

What did Tri do after Shiny's slight offense in comparison to who what such sadists do to their prisoners. Yeah, I am not taking seriously any of his hypotheticals.

Really?
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2014, 06:01:07 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off?  If I were them, I would just take off running until they were forced to shoot me or something. Or maybe just refuse to say what they are telling me to say. It just seems weird that they just kneel there, reciting the ISIS propaganda knowing full well that in 5 minutes their head is going to get sawed off.

Easy for you to say. They're probably too terrified.

From a Syrian friend of mine (removed the Youtube link that was attached to the Arabic writing, since it was a graphic video; I don't know why you'd want to, but if you want to see it you can search for Youtube user "The True" who uploaded it on August 23rd):

رسالة من جندي سوري قبل استشهاده الى الجيش العربي السوري .. دولة الإسلام ( داعش ) والله لنمحيها ..‬‎ (Message from a Syrian solider to the Syrian Arab Army before his martyrdom by ISIS: "The Islamic State (Da'esh), by God we will erase it")

Her synopsis of the video: Before they killed them they told him to say “the Islamic state will remain” but rather he said the “Islamic state, wallah we are going to erase it”

Even if American journalists don't have the courage to stand up to these monsters (why would they? It's not their country that's at stake...yet), actual Syrians do. I don't know about the rest of you, but I find that very commendable and even uplifting given the circumstances.



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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2014, 06:09:58 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off?  If I were them, I would just take off running until they were forced to shoot me or something. Or maybe just refuse to say what they are telling me to say. It just seems weird that they just kneel there, reciting the ISIS propaganda knowing full well that in 5 minutes their head is going to get sawed off.

Easy for you to say. They're probably too terrified.

What did Tri do after Shiny's slight offense in comparison to who what such sadists do to their prisoners. Yeah, I am not taking seriously any of his hypotheticals.

Really?

If the monstrous experiences of others we don't know can be glibly used for fodder for idle chit chat and role playing games, I don't see how mentioning in passing the slightly embarrassing experiences of those we do to judge the hypothericals to be in any poorer taste, if anything it adds a little salt to discussion. Perhaps enough that people might stop from such gross speculation all together.

But I doubt it.
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2014, 06:26:13 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off?  If I were them, I would just take off running until they were forced to shoot me or something. Or maybe just refuse to say what they are telling me to say. It just seems weird that they just kneel there, reciting the ISIS propaganda knowing full well that in 5 minutes their head is going to get sawed off.

Easy for you to say. They're probably too terrified.

What did Tri do after Shiny's slight offense in comparison to who what such sadists do to their prisoners. Yeah, I am not taking seriously any of his hypotheticals.

Really?

If the monstrous experiences of others we don't know can be glibly used for fodder for idle chit chat and role playing games, I don't see how mentioning in passing the slightly embarrassing experiences of those we do to judge the hypothericals to be in any poorer taste, if anything it adds a little salt to discussion. Perhaps enough that people might stop from such gross speculation all together.

But I doubt it.
Well, since you brought it up, let us examine it.  Through your view, I acted entirely consistent with my postulate above. When a situation arose that I deemed terrifying (or slightly embarassing, whichever), my fight or flight kicked in and I "fled" for a period of time. My other option was, as I believe I mentioned to in several posts to those who asked me about it, to fight back thereby escalating the situation.  Of course, the fact that you are somehow equivocating my situation with the beheadings of journalists seems to be far more glib and nonsensical than anything I could dream up, but whatever floats your boat.

And I'm still wondering when your coming to visit.  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2014, 06:33:16 PM »

I am curious about something as I see this tragic incident as well as the one with James Foley.  Why do they just go along and read the statement that has been given to them knowing full well they are about to have their head chopped off? 


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Foley murder video 'may have been staged'
By Bill Gardner, The Telegraph

...a study of the four-minute 40-second clip, carried out by an international forensic science company which has worked for police forces across Britain, suggested camera trickery and slick post-production techniques appear to have been used.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2014, 06:37:04 PM »

And I'm still wondering when your coming to visit.  Wink

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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 06:38:17 PM »

And I'm still wondering when your coming to visit.  Wink

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