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« on: July 29, 2011, 08:10:21 AM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 11:37:25 AM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Personally, I would agree with him.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 03:56:46 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 04:01:20 PM »

I understand, but no-one receives communion kneeling in the orthodox church, not even clergy receive communion kneeling.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 04:07:08 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin

He is entitled to opine, is he not?

And...what would be wrong with "the entire Church" receiving Communion while kneeling?  I've seen many Catholics and not a few Orthodox do just that.  I've done it myself, many times--even in the Orthodox Church, on bended knee, slightly contrary to what ilyazhito says.  And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 04:20:23 PM »

I used to take Communion by hand, but then I switched to the other way. I figured there were too many opportunities for something awful to happen, such as accidentally dropping it. A lot of parishes don't even use the paten anymore. I don't know, I like patens.  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 04:26:19 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin

He is entitled to opine, is he not?

And...what would be wrong with "the entire Church" receiving Communion while kneeling?  I've seen many Catholics and not a few Orthodox do just that.  I've done it myself, many times--even in the Orthodox Church, on bended knee, slightly contrary to what ilyazhito says.  And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

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When did you commune kneeling in an Orthodox Church? I've never seen this happen as part of Russian tradition. Is this a local practice?
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 04:30:39 PM »

Was it at someone's chrismation, maybe?  Huh
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 04:30:51 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin
....
And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

JM
But, I think he was inadvertently presuming to tell the Eastern Catholics that their tradition of Communion reception should be changed.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 04:34:11 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin

He is entitled to opine, is he not?

And...what would be wrong with "the entire Church" receiving Communion while kneeling?  I've seen many Catholics and not a few Orthodox do just that.  I've done it myself, many times--even in the Orthodox Church, on bended knee, slightly contrary to what ilyazhito says.  And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

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When did you commune kneeling in an Orthodox Church? I've never seen this happen as part of Russian tradition. Is this a local practice?

The time before last when I received Communion in an Orthodox Church.  Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen  Wink.  More of a personal practice, that a "local practice".  I just feel that I should receive my Lord on at least bended knee, rather than casually walking up to Him and doing the "eat and run" thing.  Never heard a single objection from any priest,  either.  I don't do it every time, but actually feel somewhat "guilty" (probably for no good reason, really) when I don't.  My aging knees don't always bend so well, so I'm pretty sure He understands when I don't  Wink.
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 04:35:34 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin
....
And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

JM
But, I think he was inadvertently presuming to tell the Eastern Catholics that their tradition of Communion reception should be changed.

What on earth makes you think that??  You, yourself said he was "opining", not presuming to instruct or command.  Aren't you being just a little paranoid here?
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2011, 04:53:51 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin
....
And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

JM
But, I think he was inadvertently presuming to tell the Eastern Catholics that their tradition of Communion reception should be changed.
You, yourself said he was "opining", not presuming to instruct or command. 
So you would agree that his opinion of what the "entire Church" should do, ignores what Eastern Catholics do?
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 04:57:03 PM »

Way back in the 1970s, the first Eparch for the Melkites in the USA, Archbishop Joseph Tawil, of blessed memory, warned the Catholic bishops that receiving Holy Communion in the hand would lessen the reverence Catholics have for the Eucharist.  Some sober-thinking Catholic bishops now agree with him.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2011, 04:59:55 PM »

Way back in the 1970s, the first Eparch for the Melkites in the USA, Archbishop Joseph Tawil, of blessed memory, warned the Catholic bishops that receiving Holy Communion in the hand would lessen the reverence Catholics have for the Eucharist.  Some sober-thinking Catholic bishops now agree with him.

What about kneeling? Is that done by Melkites or others?
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2011, 05:03:15 PM »

Way back in the 1970s, the first Eparch for the Melkites in the USA, Archbishop Joseph Tawil, of blessed memory, warned the Catholic bishops that receiving Holy Communion in the hand would lessen the reverence Catholics have for the Eucharist.  Some sober-thinking Catholic bishops now agree with him.

What about kneeling? Is that done by Melkites or others?

Melkites don't kneel on Sundays... they also receive Holy Communion standing.  The only time we kneel on Sunday is kneeling Vespers on Pentecost.
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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2011, 05:22:51 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin
....
And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

JM
But, I think he was inadvertently presuming to tell the Eastern Catholics that their tradition of Communion reception should be changed.
You, yourself said he was "opining", not presuming to instruct or command. 
So you would agree that his opinion of what the "entire Church" should do, ignores what Eastern Catholics do?

Maybe *I'm* being paranoid now  Grin, but why do I feel that however I answer that I'll be walking into a trap?

"Entire Church..."?  To *me* that includes all Catholic and all Orthodox Christians.  But that's just me.  To him....well, you'd better ask His Eminence directly.

The only thing that I "agree" to, and it is certainly not a life and death matter for anyone, Catholic or Orthodox, is that in my opinion (for whatever *that* is worth), all should kneel before Christ, if able, while receiving Him during Holy Communion.  Can't speak for the Cardinal.  Nor will I try.
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2011, 05:26:43 PM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin
....
And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

JM
But, I think he was inadvertently presuming to tell the Eastern Catholics that their tradition of Communion reception should be changed.
You, yourself said he was "opining", not presuming to instruct or command. 
So you would agree that his opinion of what the "entire Church" should do, ignores what Eastern Catholics do?

Maybe *I'm* being paranoid now  Grin, but why do I feel that however I answer that I'll be walking into a trap?

"Entire Church..."?  To *me* that includes all Catholic and all Orthodox Christians.  But that's just me.  To him....well, you'd better ask His Eminence directly.

The only thing that I "agree" to, and it is certainly not a life and death matter for anyone, Catholic or Orthodox, is that in my opinion (for whatever *that* is worth), all should kneel before Christ, if able, while receiving Him during Holy Communion.  Can't speak for the Cardinal.  Nor will I try.
Perhaps you are not aware that your opinion is contrary to Orthodox praxis and indeed to an ancient canon that forbids kneeling on Sunday.
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2011, 11:26:20 AM »

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The cardinal’s remarks came in response to a question on whether Catholics should receive Communion in the hand or on the tongue.

He recommended that Catholics “receive Communion on the tongue and while kneeling.”
 
Receiving Communion in this way, the cardinal continued, “is the sign of adoration that needs to be recovered. I think the entire Church needs to receive Communion while kneeling.”
 
“In fact,” he added, “if one receives while standing, a genuflection or profound bow should be made, and this is not happening.”

I think he means that Latin Rite Catholics should receive Communion while kneeling. Roll Eyes

Since he is a cardinal of the Latin Rite........... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
....
And yet he's opining on what the "entire Church" should do. Roll Eyes Grin
....
And the cardinal was speaking as a Catholic to the Catholic Church, not presuming I believe, to tell the Orthodox how to receive Communion.

JM
But, I think he was inadvertently presuming to tell the Eastern Catholics that their tradition of Communion reception should be changed.
You, yourself said he was "opining", not presuming to instruct or command. 
So you would agree that his opinion of what the "entire Church" should do, ignores what Eastern Catholics do?

Maybe *I'm* being paranoid now  Grin, but why do I feel that however I answer that I'll be walking into a trap?

"Entire Church..."?  To *me* that includes all Catholic and all Orthodox Christians.  But that's just me.  To him....well, you'd better ask His Eminence directly.

The only thing that I "agree" to, and it is certainly not a life and death matter for anyone, Catholic or Orthodox, is that in my opinion (for whatever *that* is worth), all should kneel before Christ, if able, while receiving Him during Holy Communion.  Can't speak for the Cardinal.  Nor will I try.
Perhaps you are not aware that your opinion is contrary to Orthodox praxis and indeed to an ancient canon that forbids kneeling on Sunday.

Oh, I'm aware of it alright.  My understanding (quite possibly incorrect) is that it refers to kneeling in prayer.  Does it forbid the bending of a knee to the ground while receiving Our Lord in Holy Communion?
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2011, 11:42:11 AM »

Way back in the 1970s, the first Eparch for the Melkites in the USA, Archbishop Joseph Tawil, of blessed memory, warned the Catholic bishops that receiving Holy Communion in the hand would lessen the reverence Catholics have for the Eucharist.  Some sober-thinking Catholic bishops now agree with him.


One reason why many Traditional Latin Rite Catholics will go to the Eastern Catholic Liturgy if no Tridentine Mass is available (apart from the "pro vobis et pro multis" issue) is because it is impossible to receive Communion in the hand there, since it is given under both species. Wink
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