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« on: July 27, 2011, 11:39:09 AM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2011, 11:48:11 AM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...
You include Armenia and Ethiopia, so why not Macedonia (the Archbishopric of Ohrid is canonical, just persecuted), and there are plenty of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine (and I believe and pray that with the passing of "patriarch" Filoret that will cease).

Btw, you should include Finland: it has an Orthodox state Church. And Estonia, the Orthodox form the plurality, and it produced a Patriarch (Alexei II of blessed memory).

Where's Bulgaria?

Where is Montenegro?
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 11:52:45 AM »
Montenegro should be up there as well.

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2011, 11:58:19 AM »
I didn't notice that... (I did this back in March)
I'll fix that! :)


Also, Finland and Estonia aren't majority Orthodox.
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2011, 12:01:01 PM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...
You include Armenia and Ethiopia, so why not Macedonia (the Archbishopric of Ohrid is canonical, just persecuted), and there are plenty of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine (and I believe and pray that with the passing of "patriarch" Filoret that will cease).

Btw, you should include Finland: it has an Orthodox state Church. And Estonia, the Orthodox form the plurality, and it produced a Patriarch (Alexei II of blessed memory).

Where's Bulgaria?

Where is Montenegro?

In that case, can we include Syria and Egypt? I think Lebanon should be on there just because the deputy prime minister is always Orthodox. I may be living in a fantasy world with that, though.

EDIT: Just saw the latest post. Oh well.
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2011, 12:01:57 PM »
The qualification for the countries being included is that they have to be majority Orthodox.

EDIT: lol, just saw your edit, no problem! :)
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2011, 12:05:24 PM »
Change the flag and Crest of Belarus from the Stalinist ones to the national ones.


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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2011, 12:12:50 PM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...
You include Armenia and Ethiopia, so why not Macedonia (the Archbishopric of Ohrid is canonical, just persecuted), and there are plenty of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine (and I believe and pray that with the passing of "patriarch" Filoret that will cease).

Btw, you should include Finland: it has an Orthodox state Church. And Estonia, the Orthodox form the plurality, and it produced a Patriarch (Alexei II of blessed memory).

Where's Bulgaria?

Where is Montenegro?

In that case, can we include Syria and Egypt? I think Lebanon should be on there just because the deputy prime minister is always Orthodox. I may be living in a fantasy world with that, though.

EDIT: Just saw the latest post. Oh well.
I was thinking about Lebanon as well, for the reason you state, and the status of Orthodoxy in the Lebanese national pact.

On a similar basis, Bosnia and Herzogovina or at least its constituent nation Republika Srpska should be included.

Btw, I notice that the Serb nations have crowns on their flags and arms, but they haven't called the King back.
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2011, 12:13:34 PM »
Change the flag and Crest of Belarus from the Stalinist ones to the national ones.

I don't think those are in use anymore, the flag/symbol shown are the current ones.

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2011, 12:16:34 PM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...
You include Armenia and Ethiopia, so why not Macedonia (the Archbishopric of Ohrid is canonical, just persecuted), and there are plenty of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine (and I believe and pray that with the passing of "patriarch" Filoret that will cease).

Btw, you should include Finland: it has an Orthodox state Church. And Estonia, the Orthodox form the plurality, and it produced a Patriarch (Alexei II of blessed memory).

Where's Bulgaria?

Where is Montenegro?

In that case, can we include Syria and Egypt? I think Lebanon should be on there just because the deputy prime minister is always Orthodox. I may be living in a fantasy world with that, though.

EDIT: Just saw the latest post. Oh well.
I was thinking about Lebanon as well, for the reason you state, and the status of Orthodoxy in the Lebanese national pact.

On a similar basis, Bosnia and Herzogovina or at least its constituent nation Republika Srpska should be included.

Btw, I notice that the Serb nations have crowns on their flags and arms, but they haven't called the King back.

Bosnia and Herzegovina is majority Muslim, same for Lebanon.

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2011, 12:19:05 PM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...
You include Armenia and Ethiopia, so why not Macedonia (the Archbishopric of Ohrid is canonical, just persecuted), and there are plenty of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine (and I believe and pray that with the passing of "patriarch" Filoret that will cease).

Btw, you should include Finland: it has an Orthodox state Church. And Estonia, the Orthodox form the plurality, and it produced a Patriarch (Alexei II of blessed memory).

Where's Bulgaria?

Where is Montenegro?

In that case, can we include Syria and Egypt? I think Lebanon should be on there just because the deputy prime minister is always Orthodox. I may be living in a fantasy world with that, though.

EDIT: Just saw the latest post. Oh well.
I was thinking about Lebanon as well, for the reason you state, and the status of Orthodoxy in the Lebanese national pact.

On a similar basis, Bosnia and Herzogovina or at least its constituent nation Republika Srpska should be included.

Btw, I notice that the Serb nations have crowns on their flags and arms, but they haven't called the King back.

Bosnia and Herzegovina is majority Muslim, same for Lebanon.

As for Lebanon, if all the Lebanese citizens in the diaspora (both those born in Lebanon and the children who have been registered and are legally Lebanese citizens) were to go home, it would be overwhelmingly Christian.
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2011, 12:20:54 PM »
I don't think those are in use anymore, the flag/symbol shown are the current ones.

So you contradict yourself
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO.

Because in the case of Belarus these are the symbols of the state, not nation.
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2011, 12:28:52 PM »
I don't think those are in use anymore, the flag/symbol shown are the current ones.

So you contradict yourself
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO.

Because in the case of Belarus these are the symbols of the state, not nation.

huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus

The flag shown is the national flag, and the emblem shown is the national emblem. The Pahonia hasn't been used since 1995, and the flag you show also hasn't been used since 1995.

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2011, 12:34:05 PM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...
You include Armenia and Ethiopia, so why not Macedonia (the Archbishopric of Ohrid is canonical, just persecuted), and there are plenty of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine (and I believe and pray that with the passing of "patriarch" Filoret that will cease).

Btw, you should include Finland: it has an Orthodox state Church. And Estonia, the Orthodox form the plurality, and it produced a Patriarch (Alexei II of blessed memory).

Where's Bulgaria?

Where is Montenegro?

In that case, can we include Syria and Egypt? I think Lebanon should be on there just because the deputy prime minister is always Orthodox. I may be living in a fantasy world with that, though.

EDIT: Just saw the latest post. Oh well.
I was thinking about Lebanon as well, for the reason you state, and the status of Orthodoxy in the Lebanese national pact.

On a similar basis, Bosnia and Herzogovina or at least its constituent nation Republika Srpska should be included.

Btw, I notice that the Serb nations have crowns on their flags and arms, but they haven't called the King back.

Bosnia and Herzegovina is majority Muslim, same for Lebanon.

As for Lebanon, if all the Lebanese citizens in the diaspora (both those born in Lebanon and the children who have been registered and are legally Lebanese citizens) were to go home, it would be overwhelmingly Christian.

They aren't in Lebanon though, and even if they did, it still wouldn't be majority Orthodox.

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2011, 12:40:57 PM »
They aren't in Lebanon though, and even if they did, it still wouldn't be majority Orthodox.

That's why I said "if" ;)

I wasn't claiming that the majority would be Orthodox, only that the majority of Lebanese (all Lebanese, not just those living there) are Christians, Not Muslims.

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2011, 12:43:47 PM »
huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus

The flag shown is the national flag, and the emblem shown is the national emblem. The Pahonia hasn't been used since 1995, and the flag you show also hasn't been used since 1995.

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nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.

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state: a sovereign political power or community

http://dictionary.reference.com/

Red-green flag and the Cabbage crest are the state symbols of Belarus, not the national ones. The state imposed them against the will of the nation so they can't be called 'national'.
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 01:42:58 PM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...
You include Armenia and Ethiopia, so why not Macedonia (the Archbishopric of Ohrid is canonical, just persecuted), and there are plenty of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine (and I believe and pray that with the passing of "patriarch" Filoret that will cease).

Btw, you should include Finland: it has an Orthodox state Church. And Estonia, the Orthodox form the plurality, and it produced a Patriarch (Alexei II of blessed memory).

Where's Bulgaria?

Where is Montenegro?

In that case, can we include Syria and Egypt? I think Lebanon should be on there just because the deputy prime minister is always Orthodox. I may be living in a fantasy world with that, though.

EDIT: Just saw the latest post. Oh well.
I was thinking about Lebanon as well, for the reason you state, and the status of Orthodoxy in the Lebanese national pact.

On a similar basis, Bosnia and Herzogovina or at least its constituent nation Republika Srpska should be included.

Btw, I notice that the Serb nations have crowns on their flags and arms, but they haven't called the King back.

Bosnia and Herzegovina is majority Muslim, same for Lebanon.
No, BH is not.  It never was a majority, just the largest community.  The majority is Christian, but divided.  Ditto Lebanon (much of the population living outside of Lebanon ever since the days of the Phoenicians).  There is a question, btw, on the numbers in both Eritrea and Ethiopia, and in the former Soviet block (most being non-religious, the Church hasn't caught up with culture, yet).
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 05:36:17 PM »
Just made this little image showing the flags and coat of arms of the various Orthodox nations, both EO and OO. I included Macedonia with the EO, even though it is considered schismatic. I also included Ukraine even though some people are a part of the "schismatic" group...
You include Armenia and Ethiopia, so why not Macedonia (the Archbishopric of Ohrid is canonical, just persecuted), and there are plenty of canonical Orthodox in Ukraine (and I believe and pray that with the passing of "patriarch" Filoret that will cease).

Btw, you should include Finland: it has an Orthodox state Church. And Estonia, the Orthodox form the plurality, and it produced a Patriarch (Alexei II of blessed memory).

Where's Bulgaria?

Where is Montenegro?

In that case, can we include Syria and Egypt? I think Lebanon should be on there just because the deputy prime minister is always Orthodox. I may be living in a fantasy world with that, though.

EDIT: Just saw the latest post. Oh well.
I was thinking about Lebanon as well, for the reason you state, and the status of Orthodoxy in the Lebanese national pact.

On a similar basis, Bosnia and Herzogovina or at least its constituent nation Republika Srpska should be included.

Btw, I notice that the Serb nations have crowns on their flags and arms, but they haven't called the King back.

Bosnia and Herzegovina is majority Muslim, same for Lebanon.
No, BH is not.  It never was a majority, just the largest community.  The majority is Christian, but divided.  Ditto Lebanon (much of the population living outside of Lebanon ever since the days of the Phoenicians).  There is a question, btw, on the numbers in both Eritrea and Ethiopia, and in the former Soviet block (most being non-religious, the Church hasn't caught up with culture, yet).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovin
According to the above, Islam is at 48% with Christianity at 47%, however the chart on that page shows Islam at 45% and Christianity at 51%.

huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus

The flag shown is the national flag, and the emblem shown is the national emblem. The Pahonia hasn't been used since 1995, and the flag you show also hasn't been used since 1995.

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nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.

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state: a sovereign political power or community

http://dictionary.reference.com/

Red-green flag and the Cabbage crest are the state symbols of Belarus, not the national ones. The state imposed them against the will of the nation so they can't be called 'national'.
The way I understand nation vs. state, is I regard them as the same thing, at least when it comes to flags/crests. If that is what the government chose, even if its against the will of the people, then that is what the flag & crest officially is. (though I'd prefer a less Soviet/Communist one, I can't change the fact those are the sanctioned/approved symbols)
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2011, 06:23:00 PM »
I like flags and heraldry. Nice post.   :)

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2011, 08:48:23 PM »
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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2011, 01:17:36 PM »
The Pahonia hasn't been used since 1995, and the flag you show also hasn't been used since 1995.
Maybe not used by the regime, but definitely widely used by the people.

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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2011, 01:35:45 PM »
The Pahonia hasn't been used since 1995, and the flag you show also hasn't been used since 1995.
Maybe not used by the regime, but definitely widely used by the people.

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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2011, 02:23:47 PM »
I love it when people cite Wikipedia as if it were an accurate, reliable source and not a site edited by self-proclaimed experts.
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2011, 05:32:24 AM »
The Pahonia hasn't been used since 1995, and the flag you show also hasn't been used since 1995.
Maybe not used by the regime, but definitely widely used by the people.

I too vastly prefer the white-red-white Belarus flag preferably with the Pahonya crest in the middle. The current one is a horrible communist carry over. Once Lukashenko falls no doubt Belarus will revert to its true national symbols.

Two other flags that should have never been changed:


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"Country, Loyalty, Family and Religion".

Nationalism, Monarchy, Family and Orthodoxy.

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Re: Orthodox Nations...
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2011, 09:05:38 AM »
Thank you for all the great heraldry!

But... Flags and national coats of arms represents states. I think it is a fallacy to consider states Orthodox. Lands and peoples can be called Orthodox, if the majority of the population is Orthodox, but to call a state orthodox it would have to have a government that only ever makes "Orthodox" decisions and "Orthodox" laws. Is there such a place? Has there ever been? ...yeah, mount athos comes to mind, but other than that?  :laugh:

Perhaps the OP means for the display of flags and coats of arms represent the Orthodox peoples, but it is not really a correct way of using these symbols. :) Sorry OP, just trying to help.  :police: