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During the Divine Liturgy that was televised on EWTN in Constantinople when Pope Benedict was present it was hard not to notice the amount of Eucharist that the Patriarch was spilling from the spoon during Communion, you could actually see the drops falling and no cloth was used.  After being asked to provide proof of this claim, and not providing any proof and maintaining your claim, you are being given a 14 day warning for disparaging a member of the clergy without proof. You may appeal this decision, or provide proof of your claim to have this warning reduced or removed.
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2013, 04:21:52 PM » |
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During the Divine Liturgy that was televised on EWTN in Constantinople when Pope Benedict was present it was hard not to notice the amount of Eucharist that the Patriarch was spilling from the spoon during Communion, you could actually see the drops falling and no cloth was used.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 07:55:53 AM » |
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Any proof of that???
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 12:03:53 PM » |
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During the Divine Liturgy that was televised on EWTN in Constantinople when Pope Benedict was present it was hard not to notice the amount of Eucharist that the Patriarch was spilling from the spoon during Communion, you could actually see the drops falling and no cloth was used.
I would normally ask for proof of this to be provided, but I know you will not find any since the recording of this event shows the opposite of what you are claiming. Please look at the 2 minute mark on Clip 6 http://www.oltv.tv/id595.html to see the deacons holding the cloth with great reverence for the holy gifts. This is a serious accusation levied against a clergyman, please retract your accusation and apologize.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2013, 09:08:18 PM » |
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During the Divine Liturgy that was televised on EWTN in Constantinople when Pope Benedict was present it was hard not to notice the amount of Eucharist that the Patriarch was spilling from the spoon during Communion, you could actually see the drops falling and no cloth was used.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2013, 09:12:41 PM » |
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I think it doesn't matter WHOM you ask, at all.
The man being discussed is the Ecumenical Patriarch. He is MY Patriarch.
If someone doesn't like him, that's their personal issue, but nobody can deny who he truly is.
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 09:27:07 PM » |
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I think it doesn't matter WHOM you ask, at all.
The man being discussed is the Ecumenical Patriarch. He is MY Patriarch.
If someone doesn't like him, that's their personal issue, but nobody can deny who he truly is.
Not to get into an argument, after all it was just a statement, but there are some people who have a different opinion, such as certain Old Calendarists or Old Believers. |
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2013, 07:33:06 AM » |
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Let me try to explain my comment, because it seems to have gone over the heads of some readers. (Shanghaiski, this is not aimed at you.)
The fact that someone claims that perhaps the Patriarch of a rather large portion of the Orthodox Church, is in fact, not a Patriarch at all, warrants some defense.
You may not like the man, you may not like his policies, leadership style, etc. However, he is still the Patriarch of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and deserves some respect.
The fact that there's a handful of people who may not approve, does not negate his status.
There are people in this world who claim that Christ is not the Messiah....should we, as part of the EO, support their mistaken notions as well?
This is an Orthodox Forum, and canonical Orthodoxy ought to be defended.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 07:45:21 AM » |
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This is an Orthodox Forum, and canonical Orthodoxy ought to be defended.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 07:47:03 AM » |
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No, I have not.
I would never say anything against his hierarchs, and I believe he would not against mine.
As strange as the notion may appear to you, I choose to respect others.
By defending my Patriarch, I am in no way disrespecting anyone's hierarch.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 07:50:37 AM » |
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However, he is still the Patriarch of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and deserves some respect. The Patriarch of the Eastern Orthodox Church? |
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2013, 07:52:04 AM » |
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He is one Patriarch of THE EO.
I didn't mean the "only" one.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2013, 07:53:02 AM » |
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Have you forgot who our owner is? This sounds like he is our slavemaster. |
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2013, 07:53:51 AM » |
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Ha ha! I thought the same thing!  |
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2013, 07:56:19 AM » |
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This is an Orthodox Forum, and canonical Orthodoxy ought to be defended.
What "canonical" Orthodoxy? Have you forgot who our owner is?
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2013, 08:28:00 PM » |
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Amen.
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