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Is the Kathisma at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts Sung or Read at your parish?

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Offline ilyazhito

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I know that this may be a little too late, now with Bright Week already progressing, but I noticed that OCA parishes sing the kathisma at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts (usually Kathisma 18 "Unto the Lord in mine affliction did I cry/In my distress I cried to the Lord"), along with some parishes of the Patriarchal Parishes in the USA, but ROCOR and MP parishes in Russia read it instead. Is there a reason behind this difference in practices? Are there some editions of the Typikon that call for singing it, or is singing the kathisma a Carpatho-Rusyn tradition that crept into OCA/Patriarchal Parishes from the Rusyn parishioners that joined the Metropolia after leaving the Greek Catholics (Rusyn Greek Catholics, as well as ACROD have a very strong tradition of congregational singing, singing even those parts of the services that would normally be read by the reader)?

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Re: Kathisma 18 at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts- Sung or Read?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 09:54:28 PM »
I do not know what their Typika specify; but practice I have observed is that the Kathisma is spoken in the AOA (while almost everybody stands for the "sitting Psalms"); and that it is chanted in the Serbian parishes (with almost everyone sitting).

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Re: Kathisma 18 at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts- Sung or Read?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2017, 08:49:52 AM »
Just one thing do clarify: by "reading" do you mean the psalms being spoken r a bit chanted (a kind of melorecitation)?
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Re: Kathisma 18 at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts- Sung or Read?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 10:18:28 AM »
I've always chanted it.  Not sure if this is correct, but my priest hasn't thrown a book at me for it yet.
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Re: Kathisma 18 at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts- Sung or Read?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2017, 07:03:04 PM »
OCA parish read/chanted, not sung.
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Re: Kathisma 18 at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts- Sung or Read?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2017, 07:10:02 PM »
I've always chanted it.  Not sure if this is correct, but my priest hasn't thrown a book at me for it yet.

I think I know what you mean, but given the question that Dominika is asking...

Just one thing do clarify: by "reading" do you mean the psalms being spoken r a bit chanted (a kind of melorecitation)?

In our parish when we say "read" it mean plain chanted, and if anything is said to "chanted" it means that it is sung

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Re: Kathisma 18 at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts- Sung or Read?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2017, 10:36:39 PM »
Just one thing do clarify: by "reading" do you mean the psalms being spoken r a bit chanted (a kind of melorecitation)?
By reading, I mean chanting in the traditional manner used for the Hours/Six Psalms or Scripture Readings (recitative chanting on one note).

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Re: Kathisma 18 at the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts- Sung or Read?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2017, 07:54:57 AM »
Just one thing do clarify: by "reading" do you mean the psalms being spoken r a bit chanted (a kind of melorecitation)?
By reading, I mean chanting in the traditional manner used for the Hours/Six Psalms or Scripture Readings (recitative chanting on one note).

OK, I've asked, because, indeed, here in Polish Orthodox Church we use "reading" for the recitative chanting, but some certains prayers are just really read (i. e. said), e.g. the prayers before the Communion, prayers on the kneeling Vespers on the Pentecost Sunday, some prayers during the minor blessing of the water etc.

Moreover, there are different melodies for the OT Readings, for NT readings and for psalms/prayers, even there are more differentations (e.g six psalms, but unfortunately it's almost forgotten here).

So, here in Poland the kathisma 18th is read (recitative chant), however in slower manner than other psalms - that's what I've been learnt to do, since at least a few times I read this kathisma during the Lenten Liturgies.
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